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    In this thread I welcome irrational introverts to paste the examples of their favourite Music. If you know your type for sure, please, state it at the start of the list. You could also paste here poetry, photos of your creative work or just pictures which reflect your soul the best. I hope this thread will represent Superid- types and Superid -energy in a distinctive, original way!
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    Some examples of Superid-music from me:

    Annie Lennox - A Whiter Shade Of Pale
    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByXvPU-tfJA&feature=related]YouTube - Annie Lennox - A Whiter Shade Of Pale[/ame]

    Pink Floyd The Wall - Pink Floyd - Comfortably Numb
    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkJNyQfAprY]YouTube - Pink Floyd The Wall - Pink Floyd - Comfortably Numb[/ame]

    Pink Floyd - Another Brick in the Wall
    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_bvT-DGcWw]YouTube - Pink Floyd - Another Brick in the Wall[/ame]

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    Some songs from the members of the russian forum (picked up without any particular order):

    INTP
    Velvet Acid Christ - "Pretty Toy"
    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfVaM_jr3UY]YouTube - Velvet Acid Christ - "Pretty Toy"[/ame]

    moon river-breakfast at tiffany´s
    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOByH_iOn88&feature=related]YouTube - moon river-breakfast at tiffany´s[/ame]

    Love theme from flashdance...HELEN ST. JOHN
    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqbvteuNhO8]YouTube - Love theme from flashdance...HELEN ST. JOHN[/ame]

    New Dawn Fades
    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqUFbd8aAN0]YouTube - New Dawn Fades[/ame]
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    INFP



    Change Player Size Watch this video in a new windowAshes and Snow- Feather to Fire
    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSX444hQ5Vo]YouTube - Ashes and Snow- Feather to Fire[/ame]

    Gackt - Vanilla (Live with fan-service )
    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xr1iujcd3-A]YouTube - Gackt - Vanilla (Live with fan-service )[/ame]

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us4DnlB9xeU]YouTube - ??? ????? ??????? ???? ????? ???????...[/ame]

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bqgJgLyr8Y]YouTube - ????????? ????? ?.???????? - ?.????? ??? ? ?? ???????[/ame]
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    Lacrimosa - Malina From Youtube.com

    Knorkator - Wir werden alle sterben From Youtube.com

    Offspring - Gone away From Youtube.com

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zD9W9SZj9w&feature=player_embedded]YouTube - Gotan Project - Santa Maria (Del Buen Ayre)[/ame]


    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHdA7egehPA&feature=player_embedded]YouTube - ????? 312 - ????????[/ame]
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    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdzvyGMPOx8]YouTube - Stigmata - ??????[/ame]

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPS4HEc8KLQ]YouTube - TIAMAT - The Sleeping Beauty (OFFICIAL VIDEO)[/ame]

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXnT5NnHYEQ]YouTube - Bomfunk mc's[/ame]

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9I9hVzqTbn0]YouTube - Savage Garden - To The Moon & Back[/ame]
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    Gaudi buildings in Barselona







    And this:

    http://istanaro.livejournal.com/40354.html

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    The todays' present from ISFP to the Superid collection. I would associate this composition with the ethical Superid because of the focus on soul. Have a look:

    My Dying Bride - For my fallen Angel


    Is it possible that the Stonehenge does relate in some way to Syperid?



    This is my picture from Cardiff of a little stonehenge. In the middle of picture it looks like a place for sucrifice.

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    Death and all sorts of sufferenigs give extra meaning to life.... make it special in some way. Is it the way we should look at Superid? Is there a beauty in death and suffering?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olga View Post
    Death and all sorts of sufferenigs give extra meaning to life.... make it special in some way. Is it the way we should look at Superid? Is there a beauty in death and suffering?
    I know that people see my style in music as quite deep and simply too deep into a theme, and I don't perceive it as deep if you were to ask me. A very sad tune I will not think of as sad, but I can not resist enjoying it for its worth. I do not see potential as being empty in the moment.


































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    Magnificent pictures and music. One of the pictures reminds me the drawing of one girl at the art-therapy session who draw similar theme with the tree and the road going up to the sky.

    I just wanted to say that I need more music from ISFP type. On the whole Superid -types where the best on the Russian forum to respond to my music- project! I also thank everybody here who help me a lot in developing the project and my understanding of music. Please, ask your friends -ISFP about their favourite music.
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    Actually, I don't even like those pictures anymore. My interests change around. The music is still pretty cool.

    As of now I seem to like pictures of narrow curved paths, http://images.google.com/images?hl=e...i=g-m1&start=0, especially the ones that are built sideways on hills, such as the two in Mindy's Autumn Picture thread.

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    Religious people say that the road to God is a narrow path. On the path you can only go behind somebody's back or in frot of somebody. If you go behind the back of God that means you follow His steps and His will. At the same time you lead those who goes behind you the same way. This is how we stay connected to each other spiritually.
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    Very sweet! I copied some of the pictures to the Russian thread:

    http://www.socioforum.su/viewtopic.p...853697#p853697
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    What type are you, Olga? I think I'm ISFp..












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    thank you for music and pictures!
    I am an ISFJ.
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    Yesterday was a programm on TV about Elvis songs and one of them was so much Superid that you could hardly recognise it. If you ever find the song which was transformed by a different TPE so drastically post it into the thread of that TPE:
    Original:

    Elvis Presley - Heartbreak Hotel



    Transformed by Velvet Undeground:

    Heartbreak Hotel: John Cale, Shawn Colvin & Richard Thompson



    I guess the second version is more logical in nature, so it must be more liked by ILI and SLI than IEI and SEI?
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    Lightbulb School of Associative Socionics: TPE Super-id (Music and art)

    Hi to all, here you can post the usic and art which in your opinion belongs to TPE Super-id and Ego-types.In Socionics, the TPE - groups are formed through the interchange of three basic dichotomies: extraversion-introversion, rationality-irrationality, and statics-dynamics.

    S - sensing, L- logical (thinking), I – intuitive, E – ethical (feeling), i - introvert, e -extravert.

    Superid-types – are the irrational, dynamic introverts such as Sergei Yesenin (IEi), Honoré de Balzac (ILi), Alexandre Dumas (SEi) and Jean Gabin (SLi).

    "TPE Superid in music corresponds to a weak, untargeted and uncontrolled energy flow. Superid energy is touched with melancholy, a feeling of burden, presence of sadness and despair. It compensates and fulfils the energy of Ego, strengthening the contrast of the latter. In comparison with Ego music, Superid music possesses a weaker energy (introversion) and deep absorption into the internal world i.e. the world of subjective imagination and perceptions. It also contains more flexibility in its varied and complex patterns. Superid music can possess unusually lingering melodies because of its irrationality or, vice versa, can be characterised by a “lack” of melody and abrupt changes of rhythm. The power of emotions will not be obvious and bright. Superid is an introverted type of energy. Speed and contrast of music patterns correspond to its internal tension, anxiety and melancholy which are perceived as characteristic for introverted dynamics in music: the general background of slow, quiet and introverted melody is combined with the delayed tempo (remission) and then reverses into an abrupt speed and change of the rhythm".
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    One of my favourite from Superid

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    Painful Fe, obvious irrationality:

    Manowar - Heart Of Steel
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToSJd3bgfmU&feature=fvst
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    This is my favorite example of Super-Id music even though it doesn't fit your exact description, so I post, because it is quite dynamic/observational. Though notice it's metered, where as Debussy is metered. Object Intention > Object Reaction.

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    Thank you, polikujm. I think it perfectly fits to Superid music and ay be more to the dynamic profile as dynaics here is very obvious: Superid-Ego. Ni is responsible for for development and movement forward in music. This music fits very well to ILI type.
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    Quote Originally Posted by k0rpsy View Post
    Manowar sets the standard for true metal even though they blow. Repec.
    What music do you like, k0rpsy? Does it fit any of the four TPEs neatly?
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    So this is super-id?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Olga View Post
    What music do you like, k0rpsy? Does it fit any of the four TPEs neatly?
    Not really. My musical preferences are very eclectic so they fall in all four. Music is food, and also a species of magic.

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    Dirty three is Superid - too slow and has got a development of sounds, which are wondering around. Ni+Si most likely, perception. The profile is intorverted to start with and then goes into Ego and Id. The sound gets even more irrational and we have Ego-Id at the end - extraverted profile. Still irrationality is very obvious in this song. So ideally it fits the irrational profile Superid- Id.
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    Quote Originally Posted by k0rpsy View Post
    Not really. My musical preferences are very eclectic so they fall in all four. Music is food, and also a species of magic.
    We all do. The point is that we still have a preference for the music that fits our psyche because this is a mirror of ourselves. It is only natural. We can appreciate good songs and music no matter of the type but we can also appreciate music which charges us up with the energy identical to our own when we are drained. It is all about identity: who am I and what is mine?
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    Quote Originally Posted by k0rpsy View Post
    No.
    No arguements, just no? What do you mean? that the preferences are just accidential or cultural and our typical qualities have no part to play in what we chose for ourselves?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olga View Post
    No arguements, just no? What do you mean? that the preferences are just accidential or cultural and our typical qualities have no part to play in what we chose for ourselves?
    Musical preference cannot be reduced to simply either culture or personality traits. Personal aesthetics are determined by environmental influences and individual qualities working together and also upon one another. So given that and the high potential for dynamism, you'll need a much more complex formula to explain what music accords with whose receptivities. Enough contradictions and exceptions can be found in the present model to render its ascriptive power no better than a decent guess.

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    I see, you sound very pessimistic, Korpsy.
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    I think the formula is absolutely fine and working well. Otherwise I would not have followers. However no one odel or theory is ready to tell you bsolutely everything so that you do not need to think or search for an answer - like with everything else! Associative approach is relatively new and it is fun to explore and work with. If you don't like it or approve it - that's your choice. It does already exists and grows. It was born actually on this forum in 2005.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olga View Post
    I think the formula is absolutely fine and working well.
    I'm sure you think this too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Olga View Post
    Otherwise I would not have followers.
    A non sequitur. Faith in a concept doesn't prove its truth. It only provides proof of persuasion.

    Mohammed has followers. L. Ron Hubbard has followers. Shoko Asahara has followers. Jim Jones had followers. Rasputin had followers. Hitler, Jesus, Lenin, Zoroaster, Stalin, Ghengis, Hoxha, Mussolini, Mao, on and on, they all have or had followers. But that has nothing to do with the factuality of the views they expounded. It only means they were convincing to others, and perhaps to themselves as well. Were they all able to inspire thought and action? Most definitely. Were any of them correct? That is entirely a matter of debate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Olga View Post
    However no one odel or theory is ready to tell you bsolutely everything so that you do not need to think or search for an answer - like with everything else!
    I agree.

    Quote Originally Posted by Olga View Post
    Associative approach is relatively new and it is fun to explore and work with. If you don't like it or approve it - that's your choice. It does already exists and grows. It was born actually on this forum in 2005.
    TPE must stand on its own merits, not yours, even if you're its author. So personal credential are immaterial.

    Now your thoughts on the operational roles of blocks in Model A have caught my interest, so I'll be giving those closer study because they seem the most worthwhile aspect of what you've presented. However, I regard the music and color components mostly as sideshows that lack a sufficient logical and evidential basis. At best the music typing is a variant of info aspect semantics, so it retains some value. But Lüscher's color theory borders on being meaningless, at least as it's being employed here. This sort of thing would be put to better use by asking examinees what they associate with various colors so the general nature of their thoughts can be observed in their expressions, not by assigning ontological values to colors under the assumption that preferences for them are causally determinant of mental orientations.

    All told, whether I like or believe what you're saying, none of this is a deterrent to examining or commenting on this system.

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    korpsy, you do not yet grasped the idea of associative socionics. Did you actually have read my article about Butterfly model or am I wasting my breath here?
    My approach is very different ini the concept to Lushers one. Do not judge the similarity of the approaches by the look. Concepts are different.

    The blocks of model A corresponds with the TPE - approach but they are not identical. However they both originate in the psychoanalysis and the work of Freud.

    By the followers I meant the people who found the approach as new and interesting for them. This is practical approach so people check it out for themselves. No one takes anything for granted without a personal check out. Dont you see it how people are careful on this forum? This is a pretty normal reaction and I am not surprised about it. It is just a beginning.
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    I've read your articles, some of them more than once. But one needn't accept the truth of an idea to understand it, nor is it necessary to discard an entire idea when only parts of it ring true. Your site makes repeated reference to Lüscher's color theory and it is obviously and explicitly incorporated into butterfly theory. Oddly enough, the last time I pointed this out you said Lüscher wasn't important, nor the musical correlations, yet you're still practicing and advocating both things. *shrug* I have no use for Lüscher and I regard musical preference as just one more indicator among many. Some of the other concepts are worthy of further contemplation, though, and I'll continue to deconstruct and challenge them, because that's just part of my "personal check out".

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    I think you issed the point then. I asked because I did not know if you have read them actually. I do mention Lusher but to say that the approaches are different. The fact that I use colour approach does not ean that I use Lusher approch, does it? Where exactly you see similarity I can not understand? And if I use non-verbal approach to typing does it mean that i use somebody else approach as well?
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