Guys I'm SEI again

[Creepy-male]

jxrtes will be analyzing the crap outta that, or so he says.

Basically, ask him. He's the dunce responsible for this.

[ArchonAlarion]

This makes perfect sense because I supervise you.

make me brownies now.

[Creepy-male]

Ok, I can't do it. Stupid need for the unhindered flow of accurate information! Bah!

Still, jxrtes should be getting that Alpha SF analysis.

[xerx]

I can give it a go with an argument for ESE, since you asked for it.

Other than the fact that quite a few Alpha NTs are in awe of your Fe...


I remember you saying on stickam that you have a hard time accounting for all the facts with a single system when building different conceptual frameworks.

Your history of type change also points to this as evidence IMO, where you've shown an extreme willingness to completely switch your type over very minor details that seem inconsistent with type descriptions or other conceptualizations.

This all points to weak Ti, in particular -Ti.

In type and function descriptions, LIIs are described as creating universally valid systems. Essentially, they try to generate systems that account for all the facts or possibilities. LIIs can not only explain away minor inconsistencies, but also freely generate their own novel interpretations that cancel out such inconsistencies.

^ This seems to be your DS, since you've had conflict with other forumites for dogmatically providing you explanations that don't necessarily cancel out the other possibilities.

Also fwiw,
The difference between +Ti and -Ti is the difference between Ne and Se egos. LSIs are described as selecting the best of the available systems, essentially being more interested in choosing which facts or possibilities are important and ignoring the ones that aren't.

I think, in general, -Ti is more exploratory and inductive, whereas +Ti is more pragmatic and deductive.


I can't yet tell how much you use Ne tbh, so I can't "rule out" any N type, but I'm pretty confident in my suggestion.


p.s.
Regarding Jake I can possibly see some irrational Alpha type for him, because of your persistent online interaction / possible friendly-ish rivalry.

p.p.s.
I think you are C subtype in the DCNH system.

[Creepy-male]

Well, sure. But a fair amount of SLIs like me too. Likewise with the ILEs... and then there's spoon-san... etc. You can't all be my duals! (Unfortunately )

[electric sheep]

eh, whatever type you are, I'm cool with it. I think my roommate is a ESE 6w7 and he could easily be confused with IEE, and he hangs out with deltas all the time. He doesn't know how to do anything, I swear. He wants me to tell him how to do EVERYTHING it's so annoying. If I don't help him, he just sits there and moves from the computer to the TV to the xbox, to some other random form of entertainment. I've come to the conclusion that he can't think on his own. I took him to get indian food once, but I decided to go to a different restaurant than what he's used to and he FLIPPED THE FUCK OUT.

[marooned]

you can't all be my duals! (Unfortunately )

lol

[Trevor]

jxrtes: feel free to give me your opinion.

N ?

[xerx]

N ?

lol that was hitta's suggestion too.

[Trevor]

Why lol?

[xerx]

Why lol?

I dunno lol

[ArchonAlarion]

I think you're N too.

[xerx]

I think you're N too.

It's an interesting suggestion, but I don't identify with ENTp-Ti subtype if that's where you're coming from.

[Creepy-male]

It's an interesting suggestion, but I don't identify with ENTp-Ti subtype if that's where you're coming from.

Well, sure. Can't I be Ne sub but also Harmonizing sub?

Later thought: considering the poles again, I'd actually agree with C subtype. No wonder I'm so Ne! It's my subtype on every front

[xerx]

munenori2's is a typo. It should be (N or H). My mistake. Because I'm pretty sure he's an introverted subtype, but I can't tell beyond that. Added thehotelambush.

[The Exception]

Add me please!

jxrtes' DCNH forum member list. If you're not on it, it means I don't know what your subtype is.

jxrtes: feel free to give me your opinion.

theMime.: H (?)
dolphin: C
dee: C (possibly H)
gulanzon: C
hitta: C

munenori2: (N or H)

bionicgoat: N
kamangir: N
jem: N
bee: D
cracka: D

cone: H
ms. kensington: H
tuturututu: (H or C)
labcoat: (H or C)

banana pancakes: N
mn0good: D
jriddy: D

carla: N
logos: N
subterannean: N (?)
thehotelambush: D
sergi ganin: D

ezra: N
discojoe: D
gilly: (D or possibly N) but I have no clue.
strrrng: D
juju: N
ashton: D
kioshi: D

b&d: C
redbaron: H
Loki: H

jonathon: H
phaedrus: (C > D)

niffweed: (N or D)
expat: D

slackermom: N
jewels: N
cyclops: D

As per their own typing, not mine:
hkkmr: N
archonAlarion: N

krig the viking: C
anndelise: H

[xerx]

Add me please!

done.

[marooned]

feel free to give me your opinion.

From your online presence, I would guess the one that's and (i.e. EP).

[xerx]

From your online presence, I would guess the one that's and (i.e. EP).

I think you're totally .

[The Exception]

Add me please!

done.

Still don't see myself on there. I'm think I'm H or possibly C.

[xerx]

Still don't see myself on there. I'm think I'm H or possibly C.

But I don't know who you are yet.
I only added people that I could see where a typing is coming from.

[electric sheep]

The thing about ESE 6s is that they tend to lock in on one person and not listen to ANYTHING ANYONE ELSE SAYS. I know one, and I could be arguing her over something for several minutes, but then once her "authority" comes in, I tell him what I was thinking, he will tell her, then she agrees completely.

AAARRRGGGGHH

(mad at her, not anyone here)

So who is Guls "authority"?

[Creepy-male]

So who is Guls "authority"?

Now that I'm chill and secure, nobody. I'd still favour the opinions of Ryu and Isha at the moment, though. I've been more comfortable making my own conclusions recently, too.

There's always the possibility I'm a Nine and exam and other crap has been making me stress out. Don't forget that!

[xerx]

Xerxes, any idea on mine?

I knew you were going to ask me that. I keep thinking about it, but beta NFs are always tricky for me to type properly.

[xerx]

Xerxes, any idea on mine?

I'd say you're probably introverted though.

[xkj220]

Basically (as I understand it):

D subtype = Seems bossy/annoying.
C subtype = Seems scattered/adventurous.
N subtype = Seems analytical/anal-retentive.
H subtype = Seems laid back/patient.

I personally prefer the two subtype model, now that I've understood it (it works).

[electric sheep]

Basically (as I understand it):

D subtype = Seems bossy/annoying.
C subtype = Seems scattered/adventurous.
N subtype = Seems analytical/anal-retentive.
H subtype = Seems laid back/patient.

I personally prefer the two subtype model, now that I've understood it (it works).

put me down for D... or maybe C

[mu4]

I'm pretty sure I'm a N/C subtype, if not a LII or LSI. But I'm more scattered like a Creative subtype.

Think of the subtypes as temperaments...
D=EJ
C=EP
N=IJ
H=IP

[ArchonAlarion]

I'm pretty sure I'm a N/C subtype, if not a LII or LSI. But I'm more scattered like a Creative subtype.

Think of the subtypes as temperaments...
D=EJ
C=EP
N=IJ
H=IP

yeah.

and no Jxrtes you wouldn't be "Ti ENTp" (in the way I used to think of it) as this system would replace (more of an upgrade) to the subtype model I previously adhered to.

I still sayeth N for you. You are certainly N/D. C ENTps are like Gulanzon and Jriddy. H ENTps are like Steve (possibly banana pancakes). D ENTps are like Vero and Gilly. N ENTps are like you, me, Hkkmr, and Ephemeros.

So we got socially dominant ENTp's, inventive ADD ENTps, chill fuckin ENTps, and crabby/stubborn structural ENTps

imo, that is.

My code would be Ji ENTp, Je ENTp, Pe ENTp, and Pi ENTp. I see DCNH as a sub-temperament. Like an overtone.

[Krig the Viking]

I am pleased to see discussion of DCNH -- it has been one of the most helpful things I've found for getting an accurate mental picture of the range of behaviour associated with each type (which I am still working on).

warrior-librarian, I would guess you are C subtype.

Basically (as I understand it):

D subtype = Seems bossy/annoying.
C subtype = Seems scattered/adventurous.
N subtype = Seems analytical/anal-retentive.
H subtype = Seems laid back/patient.

I personally prefer the two subtype model, now that I've understood it (it works).

That's pretty good. I compiled a list of general impressions for the subtypes based on this page.

Dominant (Fe): strong, forceful emotions, dramatic
Dominant (Te): Action, movement, energy
Normalizing (Ti): Self-control
Normalizing (Fi): Proper behaviour, principles
Creative (Ne): Curious, light-hearted
Creative (Se): Physical, hands-on
Harmonizing (Si): Soft
Harmonizing (Ni): Goofy, inner life

I hope to expand that a little more as my understanding grows, but that's where it's at for now.

hkkmr, if you're an ILE, then I'd guess you are an N subtype.

Coolanzon, if I had to guess I'd say you seem like a Creative IEE.

You other people in this thread I haven't interacted with enough to have much of a solid opinion on subtype.

[Krig the Viking]

yeah.

and no Jxrtes you wouldn't be "Ti ENTp" (in the way I used to think of it) as this system would replace (more of an upgrade) to the subtype model I previously adhered to.

I still sayeth N for you. You are certainly N/D. C ENTps are like Gulanzon and Jriddy. H ENTps are like Steve (possibly banana pancakes). D ENTps are like Vero and Gilly. N ENTps are like you, me, Hkkmr, and Ephemeros.

So we got socially dominant ENTp's, inventive ADD ENTps, chill fuckin ENTps, and crabby/stubborn structural ENTps

imo, that is.

My code would be Ji ENTp, Je ENTp, Pe ENTp, and Pi ENTp. I see DCNH as a sub-temperament. Like an overtone.

I don't know enough about some of those people to tell whether you've got them typed correctly, but I agree with the gist of your assessment of the subtypes.

[mu4]

yeah.

and no Jxrtes you wouldn't be "Ti ENTp" (in the way I used to think of it) as this system would replace (more of an upgrade) to the subtype model I previously adhered to.

I still sayeth N for you. You are certainly N/D. C ENTps are like Gulanzon and Jriddy. H ENTps are like Steve (possibly banana pancakes). D ENTps are like Vero and Gilly. N ENTps are like you, me, Hkkmr, and Ephemeros.

So we got socially dominant ENTp's, inventive ADD ENTps, chill fuckin ENTps, and crabby/stubborn structural ENTps

imo, that is.

My code would be Ji ENTp, Je ENTp, Pe ENTp, and Pi ENTp. I see DCNH as a sub-temperament. Like an overtone.

Creative Subtype

Ignoring Initiator (II) - is the creative, absorbed, thoughtful person. His attention does not stray beyond components, numbers, facts and strict proofs. Somewhat oversimplifying (not sure if he means the II or himself), the II builds integrated concepts and ideas, which possess internal harmony and proportionality. In it is observed a strong tendency towards synthesis - the combining of different, sometimes completely dissimilar ideas and to the creation of new, original ones. Because of its Ignoring the II is little inclined towards concessions. On the contrary, it frequently sharpens conflicts, turning no attention to the rebuttals presented to it. It can often be caustic, ingenious. For this subtype the inflow of new impressions, which give to it material for synthesis, is very important. There is nothing for it duller than invariability, routine, instructions. Interest in it prevails above the benefit.

THE II - untiring preacher of its ideas, who groups around himself adherents. However, to him, compromise (alt. diplomacy) is not sufficient: he can be quick tempered and unrestrained in attempting to [settle] his theories and proposals, especially if he is extraverted. Because of Initiating the II is also not sufficiently persistent in introducing a sequence for his plans in life. This subtype we will subsequently call creative and designate C (from Engl. “create” - to create).

Normalizing Subtype

Ignoring Terminator (IT) – this is a man of order, systems, honesty and correctness. For it is characteristic diligence, zeal and responsibility. Patience and methodicalness comes from terminating, the need to lead that begins down the end makes it a competent authority in its region.

IT tends to value clear and adequate information. It always attempts to introduce order in that region, for the sake of which he readily contends. All its existing knowledge is usually systematized, decomposed into mental shelves. Especially vividly is this quality expressed in logicians. Systematization and analysis are its strong qualities. IT calculates results or it attempts (as far as possible) many observations or experiments. It attempts not to pass even a single component in its chain of reasoning, but when others do this, difficulties in understanding are experienced. IT is very attentive to components and details.

IT usually loves to have a structured regime, it dislikes unexpected surprises - changes in the customary or assumed course of events. He constantly orders and organizes in proportion to his forces the people and things around him. In types of work where the length of the task is fully established, access to information and equipment is determined and there are instructions given, IT exceeds all other subtypes.

This subtype we will name normalizing and designate it N (from Engl. “normalize” - to order).

I think I'm somewhere in between normalizing and creating. I'm not as detail oriented as a normalizing type but also not as initiating I would expect to be. However, my successful enterprises are mostly of my own initiation. As a whole I think my own personal lack of initiative is my biggest flaw but this could be because of misdirected interest. In my interests I'm more then a little compulsive.

My job needs me to be a normalizing type but I'm not sure if this is my natural inclination. I don't agree with the bolded areas. As a whole both these descriptions apply to me fully.

I don't think Gul is a creative subtypes. Maybe harmonzing for Gul.

Since this is inexact science with some grey area, I would probably be a Creative LII or a Normalizing ILE. So somewhere in between those two types.

[xerx]

yeah.

and no Jxrtes you wouldn't be "Ti ENTp" (in the way I used to think of it) as this system would replace (more of an upgrade) to the subtype model I previously adhered to.

I still sayeth N for you. You are certainly N/D. C ENTps are like Gulanzon and Jriddy. H ENTps are like Steve (possibly banana pancakes). D ENTps are like Vero and Gilly. N ENTps are like you, me, Hkkmr, and Ephemeros.

So we got socially dominant ENTp's, inventive ADD ENTps, chill fuckin ENTps, and crabby/stubborn structural ENTps

imo, that is.

My code would be Ji ENTp, Je ENTp, Pe ENTp, and Pi ENTp. I see DCNH as a sub-temperament. Like an overtone.

do I really seem that structural to everyone? (except Loki)

[Gilly]

SEI, as I have said all along. Small chance of ESE.

[Gilly]

Sorry Archon, but I'm Harmonizing subtype EIE, as always.

[ArchonAlarion]

@Jxrtes: Yeah, you seem a bit rigid. Kinda come across as "hard minded"/no-nonsense/skeptical. I don't mean that those are exactly what N sub is, but together it gives me the impression of an N sub or at least a rational subtype. Of course, you are still Ep temperament overall, so you should feel similar to C. If I had to choose one of those as my main temperamnet it'd be C. But if I had to choose one as a temper to the overall C it'd be N.

[Creepy-male]

I don't think Gul is a creative subtypes. Maybe harmonzing for Gul.

Yeah, I'm weird. I'd say I'm definitely one of the Irrational subtypes. As for Introverted/Extraverted, I think it's telling that if I have someone or something to focus on I'll do that to the extent I stop being so totally preoccupied with my physical comfort and daydreaming.

SEI, as I have been bitterly defending due to my ego hinging on not being seen as wishy-washy and indecisive. Small chance of ESE.

Fixed.

--

@Krig: How did you break my spell over you? You should still think I'm ESE! Gah!

[Krig the Viking]

@Krig: How did you break my spell over you? You should still think I'm ESE! Gah!

Haha, firstly, your constant type changing is classic Ne. You can easily see all the possible ways each type might apply to you, but lacking strong Ti, you find it difficult to logically narrow the possibilities down to one. A real ESE would be more likely to just give up and go hang out with his friends or something. Which is another strike against you being ESE: they're not known for frequenting Internet message boards talking about abstract concepts like psychology. When they do, it's mostly to share stories about personal experiences they've had.

But the nail in the coffin was that video you posted of your "Captain Planet" parody. Too much "spaced out" Ne body language, not enough Si physical presence. I'd say I'm about 80% sure that you're IEE, and probably C-subtype.

[Krig the Viking]

Shorter answer: I'm your supervisor, of course I know.

[Creepy-male]

Shorter answer: I'm your supervisor, of course I know.

Smooth deductions! You can be an honorary LSE after that!