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    Default Excerpts from new enneagram type descriptions for 5s,6s,7s

    Type 5

    Fives indulge in what interests them intellectually. They put a premium on whatever they communicate being well-thought out which makes them seem less emotional and sensitive than they really are. They remove themselves from external action enough to be able to have better mastery of the situation at hand. From a distance they are more able to exercise the power of their minds and intensify their efforts in their mental activities. Being a "theorizing about the way things are" armchair QB leads them to exhibit a certain idiosyncratic quirky cleverness in how they perceive reality and others to perceive them as eccentric.

    5w4s believe what's counterintuitive and paradoxical takes precedence over accepted truth since it's both more aesthetic/elegant and harder to be accepted. They believe fate and rare unexplainable phenomena are tied to something that both underlies and supercedes current reality and makes it richer. They think much of the world pales in comparison to their internal experience so they are less awed and apalled by worldly phenomena. They are less argumentative but snobbier.

    5w6s are more naturally curious and never cease to find worldly phenomena that awes and interests them. They have a more uneasy truce with their emotions and are more focused on what's cutting edge in the intellectual and scientific realms. They feel powerful imagining what it's like to have a bird's eye view of what interests them. Many 5w6s incorrectly see themselves as 5w4s due to poor type descriptions that simplistically use "art or science" to distinguish between 5w4s and 5w6s.

    Type 6

    6s feel they came into the world without blueprints to account for the vagaries of life and have been playing catchup ever since. They think the world is unpredictably difficult and construct a way of navigating and living life to serve as foundation against being "uprooted". In such a world trustworthy people are hard to come by so the last thing they'd do is betray anyone who has managed to earn their trust. What's fair is very important and they have an eye of when things are uneven between people. They hold themselves to their standards of decency despite difficult circumstances so they expect that to count for something.

    6w5s want answers to life's uncertainties more than support and guidance from others. They are more insular and are the do-it-their-selfers with respect to putting together their own security. They are never quite sold on messages they hear. They don't like it when people sugarcoat things. Smooth-talkers make their ears perk up.

    6w7s look for support and guidance as they have a hard time trusting themselves. They are frequently taken aback by themselves. They suffer from ambivalance and anxiety and look to find others to relieve those things in themselves. Nearly all type six descriptions are heavily slanted towards 6w7 which happens to be why many 6w5s don't think they are sixes.

    Type 7

    7s feel gnawed by their wants enough to see them as needs..."I need that vacation!". They take care of their stuff themselves so they have a hard time seeing why they shouldn't have the good things in life that "surely" await them just around the corner. By fast-forwarding to the future and experiencing the fullness of life in the present they distract themselves from coming to grips with sobering realities and unflattering things about themselves.

    7w6s care about being seen as shallow and other stereotypically negative sevenish traits. Their fun is more good-natured and easier to tolerate. They relate to others more through solidarity than a position of strength. They fantasize more and are always on the lookout for the holy grail. They fear being trapped in a rut.

    7w8s are the badboy/badgirl side of seven. They don't care much how others see them as due to their eight wing they are predisposed to think others don't like them until they do. They are more realists. They are more wheeler-dealers. They don't suffer the same defeatism when they are down as they feel more temporarily stuck in a rut than trapped in it.
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    Are there descriptions for the other types?
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    I'm definitely a 5w6 going by this.
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    Type 2

    Twos take pride in being considerate of others to feel worthy of being loved themselves. They see what people need and handpick themselves as the person to get in the trenches and fulfill that need. They especially care for the neglected and disadvantaged as no one is left behind. They feel compelled to place themselves in positions to meet their own expectations of assisting others, whether directly or indirectly.

    2w1s take pride in being overlooked for the good deeds they do for others. Not necessarily getting the credit they are due is what it truly means to serve people as assisting others is its own reward.

    2w3s are more enthusiastic and less judgemental. They can't help but stand out and have a self-image of being a helping VIP. In their minds they are "just what the doctor ordered".



    Type 3

    Threes are identity-seeking image types who believe they have the potential to become someone outstanding. They want to become winners in life in the broader sense of the term. If they aren't moving forward it feels like they are falling behind. They are especially aware of their self-development and evolution as a person, how they come across to others as well as themselves. They subtly remind others they aren't just anyone. They put a lot of effort into hitting the right notes with people since there's a lot on the line.

    3w2s are more inclusive. The spotlight awaits them as soon as they are ready to "seize the day". The hard work is nice but it's all about the person they are in the process of becoming.

    3w4s are more aloof and icy cool. Admire from a distance but don't touch. They romanticize the hard work put in to get to the top when no one was looking.



    Type 4

    Fours feel alienated from the world and redirect the shame at feeling different back at the world and its "commoners". They create an identity that resonates emotionally with them and is their stylistic personal statement of who they feel they truly are. Holding fast to their identity despite their weirdness reaffirms how the commoners just don't get them. Most people haven't introspected as deeply as they have nor have they seen what they've seen or felt what they've felt.

    4w3s are outsiders who dream about one day returning to the commoners to show they what they've missed. Threes and fours are opposites in many ways and 4w3s feel a tug of war between becoming successful and selling themselves out.

    4w5s are the ultimate outsiders and lack the self-glorification of 4w3s. They take pride in sticking with who they feel they really are through thick and thin. They know they are too complex and layered for others to understand them to the point where they mythologize their own personal tragedy.

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    Type 8

    Eights are streetsmart types who like to feel grand and have gravitas. They are big personalities who like to live large. They are anything but apologetic about taking up space in the world. They avoid feeling soft and tender emotions and other forms of "weakness". The threat of being controlled triggers tendencies to dominate others.

    8w7s are natural mover and shakers who can and often do turn things upside down. They like to shock people and are the biggest characters.

    8w9s are natural fortifiers and maintainers. They are the bear side of 8. While they won't draw first blood it would be a mistake to provoke them.



    Type 9

    Nines prefer to remain in their comfort zone to the point of blocking out the harsher aspects of life. They want a life free of disruptions and fear conflict that would estrange them from their loved ones. They like to go with the flow and have a knack for letting things come to them instead of forcing the action.

    9w8s want to be in synch with the ebbs and flows of life enough to live comfortably. They tend to be very likeable.

    9w1s want to maintain the peace and fear anything that could shatter their comfort zone. They can be unusually intuitive.



    Type 1

    Ones idealize a transcendant morality and see it as their duty to point out the flaws in an imperfect world. They justify that by practicing enough self-control to consider themselves morally upright, to the point of restricting themselves and repressing their "dirty" desires. There is no type that has a harsher superego.

    1w9s withstand and endure and tend towards rationality and living by their impersonal ideals.

    1w2s focus on what is fair and equitable. They are more authoritarian and high-minded.

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    Again my bipedalled friends...these are but small portions of the new enneagram type decriptions that were recently written...

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    6 needs work. Too people/local oriented in that description. But then again maybe I'm just being so/sx...

    6w5 is more about self examination and trying to account for unknown circumstances. A fear of believing or thinking something that is false, and then having to come to the horrible realization that you trusted the wrong person or the wrong ideology being led along like a pawn. So you end up afraid to trust anything and attempt to mitigate all the risk out of your life and you have 0 self confidence/certainty.
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    That 6 description sucks ass. You made the 2 description sound way better than the 4 and 6, so fuck you for that. You made 6 sound like the most brittle, insecure things. It makes me want to go over there and kick the shit out of your nerdy dragon-loving ass right now. Just to prove you wrong!

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    WAS I WRONG ABOUT 6??

    MAYBE IM NOT 6??

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    im sorry.

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    hmmm I'm not sure if I am 5w4 according to that description, which very well could be.
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    Yes, that description of Six really exaggerates the fear. In general, I find this about Six descriptions. This is part of the reason I mistyped as Nine, too.

    As I understand it, all three Head types act as if their will is not their own; that it is controlled by external forces. Additionally, since their "world" is a very hostile and demanding one, they attempt to overthink to predict and protect themselves from demands.

    For the Six, both of these happen very directly. Additionally, I think Sixes will struggle to meet what they think is being demanded of them due to believing the only way of being O.K. is by being loyal and committed. Because they can't cope with the obvious overcommitment and overextension, they'll blow off steam in the form of emotional ventings with people they trust; hence why they're Reactive types. Additionally, when the stress gets too much, that's when the "classic Six" who hands themselves over to authority happens and demands "You do my thinking for me, I can't cope".

    I'd say I'm an average-functioning Six. My attitude is one of insulating myself from worry by "not caring". On the high side, I'm not stressed out any more. On the low side, I'm torpid and ineffectual. On the flipside... I'm not a Nine

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coolanzon View Post
    Yes, that description of Six really exaggerates the fear. In general, I find this about Six descriptions. This is part of the reason I mistyped as Nine, too.

    As I understand it, all three Head types act as if their will is not their own; that it is controlled by external forces. Additionally, since their "world" is a very hostile and demanding one, they attempt to overthink to predict and protect themselves from demands.
    Interesting. That's 5 and 6 more so than 7, though.

    It's not so much that my will is not my own... its more like I'm two people in my head. One is observing the other trying to protect them from slipping up, but at the same time is too controlling. So within my own head I have an authority thing going on =/

    For the Six, both of these happen very directly. Additionally, I think Sixes will struggle to meet what they think is being demanded of them due to believing the only way of being O.K. is by being loyal and committed. Because they can't cope with the obvious overcommitment and overextension, they'll blow off steam in the form of emotional ventings with people they trust; hence why they're Reactive types. Additionally, when the stress gets too much, that's when the "classic Six" who hands themselves over to authority happens and demands "You do my thinking for me, I can't cope".
    hmm maybe. But I actually don't like people doing thinking for me. I just relieve the amount I have to be certain about at once, by bundling it into authorities or something... So I can cling to a label and just be certain that at least most of whats contained in it will be correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArchonAlarion View Post
    Interesting. That's 5 and 6 more so than 7, though.
    Sevens still fall into that pattern. Remember that they use their thinking and their imagination to minimize their involvement with the over-demanding present and escape to the future, which asks nothing of them.

    Quote Originally Posted by ArchonAlarion View Post
    It's not so much that my will is not my own... its more like I'm two people in my head. One is observing the other trying to protect them from slipping up, but at the same time is too controlling. So within my own head I have an authority thing going on =/
    Let me clarify. "My will is not my own" is more like "The world is going to make demands of me, and I'm not going to be able to negotiate with it. I'm not going to be able to say no."

    The way I understand the overthinking works...

    Fives: "I feel suffocated by what the people around me expect of me. So, I'm going to withdraw into my mind where they can't place demands on me... and if I'm lucky they'll think I'm a space case or inaccessible and ignore me."

    Sixes: "There's some danger lurking just around the corner. I need to figure out what it is so that I can remove it, and I need to find some backup out there in the world through allies, a partner, or a material base."

    Sevens: "I can't stand feeling restricted by other people's demands upon me. I feel that they slow me down, and if I slow down, there's emptiness waiting to spring on me. So I need to keep moving and keep anticipating my next move to keep abreast of that emptiness."

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    hmm maybe. But I actually don't like people doing thinking for me. I just relieve the amount I have to be certain about at once, by bundling it into authorities or something... So I can cling to a label and just be certain that at least most of whats contained in it will be correct.
    I think this is a valid difference between the wings. If I fear I'll be abandoned (usually because I've violated some sort of internal DON'T CROSS THIS LINE GUL line), my major defence reaction is to try and turn myself into a puppet. "You tell me what to do. I'll follow you. Surely that means you won't leave, right?" My thinking still continues, and becomes even more scary and catastrophic, but what I try to do is hand the sort of directive functions over to the other person. That's what I meant by "thinking".

    That's only happened once as far as I remember. I think it's an extreme form of my general compliance in order to not be seen as a rebel or a rulebreaker, and thus stave off the internal hate. I have this strange pattern where I'll really lay into myself with the voices of people either close to me or who I view as authorities, and then pay attention to these attacks over any genuine messages coming from the real world. In general, I think this is a result of the way Sixes are very permeable in terms of not having a clear boundary between "inside stuff" and "outside stuff", especially low-functioning ones.

    Jake, I'd say perhaps you react against that permeability by erecting too-solid defences. This is the "Storm trooper" Six behaviour. Perhaps because you're w5? I think a useful sensation to feel for is feeling like your brain is tense or hard. That's a good sign that you're resisting something. I wonder how much more creative you'd be if you relaxed your guard... (fwiw, I largely see you as Ne base on the defensive (as opposed to confident Ni base), and it seems like a shame that you're not necessarily able to tap all of your resources or have fun in this community).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coolanzon View Post
    Sevens still fall into that pattern. Remember that they use their thinking and their imagination to minimize their involvement with the over-demanding present and escape to the future, which asks nothing of them.
    Yeah okay ur right.

    Let me clarify. "My will is not my own" is more like "The world is going to make demands of me, and I'm not going to be able to negotiate with it. I'm not going to be able to say no."

    The way I understand the overthinking works...

    Fives: "I feel suffocated by what the people around me expect of me. So, I'm going to withdraw into my mind where they can't place demands on me... and if I'm lucky they'll think I'm a space case or inaccessible and ignore me."

    Sixes: "There's some danger lurking just around the corner. I need to figure out what it is so that I can remove it, and I need to find some backup out there in the world through allies, a partner, or a material base."

    Sevens: "I can't stand feeling restricted by other people's demands upon me. I feel that they slow me down, and if I slow down, there's emptiness waiting to spring on me. So I need to keep moving and keep anticipating my next move to keep abreast of that emptiness."
    These are great dude. Are you getting these from a certain site?

    I think this is a valid difference between the wings. If I fear I'll be abandoned (usually because I've violated some sort of internal DON'T CROSS THIS LINE GUL line), my major defence reaction is to try and turn myself into a puppet. "You tell me what to do. I'll follow you. Surely that means you won't leave, right?" My thinking still continues, and becomes even more scary and catastrophic, but what I try to do is hand the sort of directive functions over to the other person. That's what I meant by "thinking".
    mmm okay.

    That's only happened once as far as I remember. I think it's an extreme form of my general compliance in order to not be seen as a rebel or a rulebreaker, and thus stave off the internal hate. I have this strange pattern where I'll really lay into myself with the voices of people either close to me or who I view as authorities, and then pay attention to these attacks over any genuine messages coming from the real world. In general, I think this is a result of the way Sixes are very permeable in terms of not having a clear boundary between "inside stuff" and "outside stuff", especially low-functioning ones.
    you'd be phobic 6 then, which makes good sense. It still resonates with me though.

    Jake, I'd say perhaps you react against that permeability by erecting too-solid defences. This is the "Storm trooper" Six behaviour. Perhaps because you're w5? I think a useful sensation to feel for is feeling like your brain is tense or hard. That's a good sign that you're resisting something. I wonder how much more creative you'd be if you relaxed your guard... (fwiw, I largely see you as Ne base on the defensive (as opposed to confident Ni base), and it seems like a shame that you're not necessarily able to tap all of your resources or have fun in this community).
    yeah... crap. Its hard to let people say things that are "wrong" because it eats away at me. I have to stop and re-evaluate my beliefs and I'm immobilized until I feel certain about everything again. The easiest way to get this certainty back is to find the offending individual and convince them I'm right.

    Anyways, good stuff Gul!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArchonAlarion View Post
    These are great dude. Are you getting these from a certain site?
    Thanks

    I'm mixing up what I understand from Enneagram Central - your online Enneagram resource and some great insights from Tom Condon, who has video excerpts up on his YouTube channel, all served up in a healthy brew of Gul insight.

    Quote Originally Posted by ArchonAlarion View Post
    yeah... crap. Its hard to let people say things that are "wrong" because it eats away at me. I have to stop and re-evaluate my beliefs and I'm immobilized until I feel certain about everything again. The easiest way to get this certainty back is to find the offending individual and convince them I'm right.
    Oh cool. This is a great time for an analogy!

    One problem Sixes have with finding their center is that it's been eroded by uncertainty. Probably not even on a conscious level, they look for it outside. Because there's always some level of change and uncertainty in the world outside, the Six will feel very uncertain and chaotic

    There's a certain mental state to look for that helps with that, imo. I understand this is the "inner guidance" Enneagram literature talks about. Basically, when you feel yourself hardening, substitute a relaxed state for the defensive state. Getting yourself a massage (and for the love of God not with Numbers) can help you recognize what that state is, but so can meditating or [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autogenic_training]this cool thing[/ame] if you don't want to fork money over.

    Quote Originally Posted by ArchonAlarion View Post
    Anyways, good stuff Gul!
    The volume of compliments I'm getting recently... maybe I'm a high-functioning Six!

    But again, thanks

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    Yes like right now I want to obliterate Gilly, but instead Im going to take a walk and chill out, maybe get something to eat.

    http://www.enneagramcentral.com/Enne...rphobicSix.htm

    holy shit thats accurate

    "Her fears are obvious throughout, but with the Counterphobic Six, there is a lively ambivalence. When they are afraid, they must do what they fear. Fear is not only no reason to abstain from an action, it is the very reason they must take action. The fears are not about real things. Real crises Sixes often handle quite well. As one Counterphobic Six friend of mind remarked. "When I was in the hospital with a serious injury, everyone remarked on how well I handled it. But they didn't know I had been preparing for this all my life." Sarandon handles the news that her son may have been killed quite well. She holds the family together, she continues to work; she doesn't collapse or go hysterical."

    it is all about preparation.
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    that seven description is really great. fits my friend to a T.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MellowMarcello View Post
    Type 8

    Eights are streetsmart types who like to feel grand and have gravitas. They are big personalities who like to live large. They are anything but apologetic about taking up space in the world. They avoid feeling soft and tender emotions and other forms of "weakness". The threat of being controlled triggers tendencies to dominate others.

    8w7s are natural mover and shakers who can and often do turn things upside down. They like to shock people and are the biggest characters.

    8w9s are natural fortifiers and maintainers. They are the bear side of 8. While they won't draw first blood it would be a mistake to provoke them.



    Type 9

    Nines prefer to remain in their comfort zone to the point of blocking out the harsher aspects of life. They want a life free of disruptions and fear conflict that would estrange them from their loved ones. They like to go with the flow and have a knack for letting things come to them instead of forcing the action.

    9w8s want to be in synch with the ebbs and flows of life enough to live comfortably. They tend to be very likeable.

    9w1s want to maintain the peace and fear anything that could shatter their comfort zone. They can be unusually intuitive.
    Eh?
    I think it dependson what you consider 'likeable'
    They definitely don't expend any effort on trying to be likeable.

    for a two sentence description, I guess the 8wings are ok

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    I think the 7 description is totally fine. I preferred the ocean moonshine ones though (I'm a sucker for behavioral description rather than motivational ones, 99 percent extravert here).
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    Again...these excerpts are around merely 10% of the new completed type descriptions so they will obviously be missing stuff. I have the other 90% of the descriptions all completed somewhere else which include all the points all of you are making. I may add a little more to make these snippets more complete though...maybe around 15% of the description would be just the right balance between easy reading and being sufficiently illuminating.

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