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    Default Are Quadras Self-Sufficient?

    That is, if a society consisted of nothing but one, or maybe even two quadras, could it survive? Could a society survive if there were two information elements totally unvalued by every single member of the population. For instance: if the world was all alphas and betas, could it survive with no one valuing Fi and Te? Or if the word were all gammas and deltas, how would things work with no value on Fe or Ti? I mean, in theory, one's dual helps to cover one's polr or weaknesses or whatever, but in practice... thoughts?
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    Absolutely, I believe so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khola View Post
    Absolutely, I believe so.
    I imagine a Beta culture, and I think "Louis XV".

    I have high hopes for a purely Gamma culture, since that's basically the overarching business world in Western society.

    I think a better question is "how would you stop the quadra evolution"? It's hard to theorize about what a static culture would be like, because I can't imagine it happening.

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    Single quadras I think have a kickass time until they realize the proverbial shit has hit the fan. Adjacent quadras can cooperate on common ground and achieve more. Opposite quadras are more like, "Uh, this is my side of the room".

    Also, I've got no clue what the fucker above is on about. Austrailians!

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    Certainly it could. It could survive with only one type, though it'd be goofed up. It'd probably do just as well will a dual pair as with a whole quadra.

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    Would it survive? Probably. Would it be as diverse and progressive? no.
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    I think it's actually when a quadra thinks it is self-sufficient that humanitarian disasters like the rise of Nazi-Germany occur.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khola View Post
    Absolutely, I believe so.
    same.

    Nazi Germany was a mess because of poor economics (included are the philosophical and "scientific" underpinnings for that system).

    Ayn Rand is a beta and would have had a totally different and far more prosperous civilization.

    This is simply outside the realm of Socionics. The only thing you could argue is that the motives were beta. However, the product fails or suceeds on its economic merits alone, not socionic diversity.
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    the real question is whether a type is self sufficient / can a type even come to exist from solitude. for that i think no, our type develops from circumstances to some degree, it's a form of specialization
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    But the question was not whether we are dependent on people, it was whether we are dependent on our interactions with people from other quadras.

    Are you saying that type is a product of our environment? I'd agree there, which is why I don't think you could isolate an entire quadra for more than a generation. Also type may be at least partially genetic.


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    thank you captain obvious. yes, one type : four type :: four type : sixteen type = one type vs. sixteen type. oh wait.. this contradicts with your special idea of model x and shadow functions. nevermind then
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    Please pull your tongue out of your anus.
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    i am disappointed you still haven't thrown your crap idea away since we have already thoroughly nitpicked it to death

    Quote Originally Posted by ArchonAlarion View Post
    Please pull your tongue out of your anus.
    why would this pop into your mind?
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    What idea? And who is "we"?

    edit: oh i just saw your edit.

    What does this have to do with shadow functions?

    Btw I have clarified to you in the past that humans might have the unvalued elements, but they are latent and unused. They are antithetical to how you process information. You do not use them in collaboration with your valued elements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazedratXII View Post
    why would this pop into your mind?
    I enjoy considering the prospects of your anus, I guess.
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    It may or may not. Technically human beings are within one larger quadra, which is really small compared to all the possible more or less sufficient quadras.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverchris9 View Post
    Could a society survive if there were two information elements totally unvalued by every single member of the population. For instance: if the world was all alphas and betas, could it survive with no one valuing Fi and Te? Or if the word were all gammas and deltas, how would things work with no value on Fe or Ti? I mean, in theory, one's dual helps to cover one's polr or weaknesses or whatever, but in practice... thoughts?
    IMO,

    it's more likely that a 4 quadra system evolved to add the flexibility and vitality needed for our genus to even have hope of surviving various catastrophes in the wild.

    In times of crisis or during times favourable to only one quadra, a system of greater than four quadras might have made interaction too complex for that one quadra to assert temporary dominance over the others.

    A robust system of 16 types also offsets some negative consequences in case of a population bottleneck.

    But you're free to speculate about the role of technology and society in changing all that.
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    Yes but it would have lots of problems. American society seems to value Gamma and Delta the most. No society is completely balanced, culture norms obviously favors one quadra over the other.

    Cities have their own themes and they vary, within the same state, not just country. For example, my own home town is much harsher with sex offenders than Ann Arbor is. I don't know how that would relate socionically, but I just live in a more conservative area than A2.

    (Many rapists and sex offenders do in fact flock to Ann Arbor because of all the psychologists and leftists there that give them third, fourth, and fifth etc. chances)

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazedratXII View Post
    the real question is whether a type is self sufficient / can a type even come to exist from solitude. for that i think no, our type develops from circumstances to some degree, it's a form of specialization
    It is also what i think myself. Types can only exist and develop whitin society. If there was no society, types wouldn't exist. It's more like a role that you play living among others, where you are perfectly conscious anf feel responsible about it, your actions and your relations with the others in the group.

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