From the point of view of actual Ni types, not what socionics tells you.
Do they help accomplish your plans?
Establish desires you weren't aware of?
Protect you?
Motivate you to action?
Just entertain you so you like having them around?
What do Se types do for Ni types exactly?
From the point of view of actual Ni types, not what socionics tells you.
Do they help accomplish your plans?
Establish desires you weren't aware of?
Protect you?
Motivate you to action?
Just entertain you so you like having them around?
ILE-Ti
6w7 sx/sp (low level of confidence)
From that list:
The most important is that they do (or I would want them to do) difficult or stuff I don't like to do for me.Originally Posted by Banana Pancakes
Also I would add that they make all the iniatives concerning the relation.
...the human race will disappear. Other races will appear and disappear in turn. The sky will become icy and void, pierced by the feeble light of half-dead stars. Which will also disappear. Everything will disappear. And what human beings do is just as free of sense as the free motion of elementary particles. Good, evil, morality, feelings? Pure 'Victorian fictions'.
INTp
What my ESI special friend does is suit up in armor and charge at anyone who threatens(read: looks at me funny) me.
LIE-Ni, i think, but maybe ILI
Same. It's not even difficult by most standards actually, it's just things I have...problems...with?
Oh, and thank god they don't usually try to push me towards something (even though the more Se ones try to), because I hate that shit.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
It's like an energy thing. When they're all being purposeful and energetic and making things happen, it makes me less complacent and sit-around-y. Plus its fun to help--almost like I'm being effective vicariously. Also, when they magically make things happen out of nowhere it can be not only extremely helpful but also just fun or exciting. I suppose there is some sort of situation where the protection thing could be good, but in general I find protection annoying, for, I assume, non-socionics reasons. I interpret it as an assumption that I'm unable to take care of myself, even though it's probably not.
they give me a reason to make things happen.
btw banana you are not ili
Yeah exactly. It's not like big deal for them.
Same here. And it seems more like it's the beta ST's that do that, than the gamma SF's.Oh, and thank god they don't usually try to push me towards something (even though the more Se ones try to), because I hate that shit.
...the human race will disappear. Other races will appear and disappear in turn. The sky will become icy and void, pierced by the feeble light of half-dead stars. Which will also disappear. Everything will disappear. And what human beings do is just as free of sense as the free motion of elementary particles. Good, evil, morality, feelings? Pure 'Victorian fictions'.
INTp
I suffer from choice paralysis. I see many future lines and I end up in limbo, unable to act because I'm unable to choose from any of the lines. When I look at the future I see advantages for every line, when I look at the present in order to act I see energy expenditure that I'm unable to meet.
Se or better said SLE collapses the futures into the present. "Do A, B and C and after that you move to D"
"What is love?"
"The total absence of fear," said the Master.
"What is it we fear?"
"Love," said the Master.
I chose Love
Moonlight will fall
Winter will end
Harvest will come
Your heart will mend
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They give me sex
So Beta Se is more pushing into action, while Gamma Se is more reliant on Fi arm twisting kinda stuff?
Can we expand with some examples of the "things" and "stuff" they do for you/motivate you to do?
ILE-Ti
6w7 sx/sp (low level of confidence)
This is interesting, I never realized Ni sees multiple "future lines" at once. From the way it was described I just pictured one single line.
Running around doing shit that enables you to predict/create new Ni lines?
ILE-Ti
6w7 sx/sp (low level of confidence)
It's not so much blindly running around doing stuff the way you make it sound. It's ambition towards something specific and a strong will towards reaching it. This may be difference between Se DS and Se HA. Those who make worthy goals a reality inspires me to do the same. I know what i want to achieve in life and I constantly keep that goal in mind as my highest priority, but I sometimes lack the initiative to be constantly pursuing it. I commonly miss what I need to do right now in order to reach want to achieve, so I can appreciate someone who can tell me what I need to do right now.
awesome. I'm kinda jealous.
IEI-Fe 4w3
this sounds exactly like an ILI friend of mine. He met his SEE wife in college as FRESHMEN and they knew like right away they would be married. (they waited until a lot later but they're married now, with four kids) Anyway, I think this is exactly how he sees her.
IEI-Fe 4w3
for me, Se is like magic. I grew up in a Se-less family. Literally the only Se I was ever exposed to as a child was one cousin who lived hundreds of miles away. Otherwise, it's completely missing in my family and extended family. Which probably explains why I see it as such an amazing thing.
Se is ABLE. It is POWER. It is DOING. It is making things happen that you never thought could happen. It is CONTROL. It's knowing what you want and making it real. Se helps, protects, takes charge, gives direction. Se is fearless and makes dreams come true.
(blech, I sound like a blathering idiot... sorry)
IEI-Fe 4w3
Yeah well I don't know. I'm an EJ so I already have a lot of energy, I don't think I usually need to be pushed towards anything; I have Te there as base function, which means I already am rather confident in my ability to do stuff out there in the world. They might help me concentrate on something specific, though, that I might have been missing because I was doing something else; I might sometimes be a bit too dispersive. If you push me into action I will feel pissed no matter how good the action might have been for me.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
Like some others have mentioned, Se helps me get out and do stuff. I moved to a completely new town last spring and I knew that I would need to make an explicit effort to get involved with the groups and activities in the area. And that was hard work for me.
SEEs seem to do this effortlessly. They will jump from one fascination to the next, picking up something new to focus on every few months. When I am around an SEE I can just get caught up in that rush of opportunities and interests. All of a sudden I'll find myself involved in a club/sport/game that I _never_ would have sought out on my own, but actually quite enjoy. The SEE that introduced me to something might have already moved on to some other topic, but I will now have a new hobby or activity thanks to their initial enthusiasm.
It's not at all a targetted "YOu have got to try this" kind of thing, either. I tend to resent that kind of "pushing." Rather the SEE is so excited by whatever their Interest of the Day is, that they seek to share their enthusiasm with anyone and everyone. The effect is both "motivating" and "entertaining" (to refer to the OP) without any of the subliminal demand that I actually reciprocate that enthusiasm.
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ILI
¿Qué es la vida? Un frenesí.
¿Qué es la vida? Una ilusión;
una sombra, una ficción
y el mayor bien es pequeño.
¡Que toda la vida es sueño
y los sueños, sueños son!
Heh. That'll be hard work for most IPs, especially XLIs. Not necessarily Ni's.
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Yes, this exactly what annoys me about beta-ST, related to the pushing we talked earlier with FDG. Large part what you said was also related to Ti. I don't like to be told what to do or what to think. That's the difference between beta-NF and gamma-NT. But if you replace the decision confusion, with confusion about how people feel about me, how to change these feelings, and other things related to relations between people, then that's in analog with me. Especially to the other person in spesific, on one-to-one basis.
I suppose instead of pushing, it's like pulling closer, and them knowing what's too much pulling and what's too little
It's lot of different kinds of stuff, lot of it just part of normal life to most people. I often generalize this as:"I don't like to do anything physical". Lot of stuff seem like obstacles to me, even small stuff. Like one example is that if I happen to go to a store with my SeTi dad, he's usually the one that talks, while I loom somewhere in the background, (this probably doesn't apply to the extroverts), even if it's technically my business. Of course I can talk, as it's rare that we go to store together, we don't live even in the same city. While my dad just likes to chat with random people. For example he once visited this grocery story near where I live and he had chatted with the store owner, and as result knew more about the happenings of that grocery store, than I have found out in years going to that store.Can we expand with some examples of the "things" and "stuff" they do for you/motivate you to do?
The motivation is mainly towards my goals, but also towards things that would benefit me, but I just don't have the energy to do, and instead do something else that's less energy consuming / less trouble.
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...the human race will disappear. Other races will appear and disappear in turn. The sky will become icy and void, pierced by the feeble light of half-dead stars. Which will also disappear. Everything will disappear. And what human beings do is just as free of sense as the free motion of elementary particles. Good, evil, morality, feelings? Pure 'Victorian fictions'.
INTp
Interesting... I don't mind being told what to do OR what to think. I don't take it personally. I just remembered my attitude regarding a certain SLE "telling" me what to think. I perceived as a lack of perspective, I explained the way I viewed things and in the end she told me something like... "you're right." She tried bringing pragmatism to my vision but in the end, when she better understood my vision was optimistic, still pragmatic but optimistic.
"What is love?"
"The total absence of fear," said the Master.
"What is it we fear?"
"Love," said the Master.
I chose Love
yeah I don't mind it either. and I find it cute and funny the way SLEs are so sure of themselves. yet they can be swayed. esp. by IEIs. heh
IEI-Fe 4w3
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Yeah, I totally relate.
Lol, same. I have motivation for the important things in life, it's this kind of stuff (which is also in many ways important!) that I have some trouble with. For example, I hate talking on the phone. I try to avoid phoning offices to ask questions if it's not absolutely necessary. This means that I never get to know, for example, if a deadline has changed and the internet page has not been updated. I also dislike going to ask people about stuff in offices, or at the library, or asking in grocery stores if there's this or that - I would prefer these kind of interactions to be completely automatized because I don't know how to relate to people in this kind of settings (informal settings are easier). ESIs seem to know kind of instinctually on how to do it, and this is really helpful.It's lot of different kinds of stuff, lot of it just part of normal life to most people. I often generalize this as:"I don't like to do anything physical". Lot of stuff seem like obstacles to me, even small stuff. Like one example is that if I happen to go to a store with my SeTi dad, he's usually the one that talks, while I loom somewhere in the background, (this probably doesn't apply to the extroverts), even if it's technically my business. Of course I can talk, as it's rare that we go to store together, we don't live even in the same city. While my dad just likes to chat with random people. For example he once visited this grocery story near where I live and he had chatted with the store owner, and as result knew more about the happenings of that grocery store, than I have found out in years going to that store.
Ex. I had finished all my exams and my thesis but I had to go through a daunting process of going from office to office in order to get everything validated etc. etc. doing the exam and the thesis was the easy part for me, it's the bureucracy that was killing my soul...so my girlfriend just did it herself, she asked a friend of hers that works in an office to explain to her where to go and how to do in order not to waste time, and everything went smoothly
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
Aren't there like dozens of threads about this topic? If only we could search for them. The engine on this host is an instant memory wipe past the first few pages. I shall defeat it one day. Fwiwt, I shared a lot about my idea of dualization Se a few months back.
they jerk them out of the Ni vortex through purposeful action, earthy practicality, and tough as nails logic.
oops i'm not an Ni type, but i know one. well.
ILE
those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
They help me focus on the present, help me to "just do it". They take action. They apply force and help me understand when to apply force and how much force to apply. They're hot.
Se types are also good at taking action when the time is right. Ni types set up the situation for them to do so.
IEI-Fe 4w3
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