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    Default ENTj profile by Stratiyevskaya: revised version

    Below my own version of the functional description by Stratiyevskaya. I think it's much easier to understand, but I also think the "original" should be read, too.

    I assumed that in most cases the ENTj is male and the ISFj, female, for purposes of clarity only.



    Block EGO * the 1st position * * "business logic"

    There is no larger misfortune for the LIE than the impossibility to find a proper use to their business qualities. Their entire life is a search for the possibilities to maximally realize their strengths, mind and abilities in interesting and promising activities.

    The LIE’s business qualities are manifested in evaluating the objective possibilities, according to specific conditions and situations. The LIE’s only design is that they will not rely on their own volitional efforts - it is inexpedient, especially because in the life still there exist success, luck and other objective conditions, on which they have the sense to apply their skill and business qualities. The LIE considers generally senseless to constrain themselves with unfavorable circumstances - it is better to attempt to change conditions. "Sisyphean labor" are not for them.
    Representatives of this type actively fight for the equally fair conditions and the equally great possibilities for all. The LIE fights for the restoration of fairness - they try to achieve that which is rightfully their due.
    If there is no possibility to restore fairness, they search for new places, where their point of view will be heard and where their work will be worthily evaluated. Representatives of this type are constantly situated in the search for the best conditions and the greater possibilities of application for their business qualities. For them it’s characteristic the frequent change of professions, the change of the place of the residence: it did not work out here - they try new places, new possibilities. They are - "pioneers". It was impossible to fulfill themselves in one region, boldly they pass into another, until finally they find for themselves satisfaction.

    They prefer to attain high EFFICIENCY by the reasonable and rational distribution of their forces. For this very reason, representatives of this type do not have equal on the part of development and introduction of new technologies, rational and effective organization of working process; they magnificently generate interesting rationalization ideas, they are the authors of many advanced technologies and procedures.
    The LIE - ardent enemy of all irrational and ineffective method of operations. Organizing production, value is attached to material encouragement and personal interest of its workers. ([--].)

    They prefer work with specific practical application, not tempted by the abstract and removed projects.

    They are not capable to start something in spite of their own opinion (in spite of their own idea about the common sense). They examine each activity from the point of view of its expediency ("and otherwise, why?"). They love to work and know how to carry out work [ -- ] ("and otherwise, why?").

    They consider it expedient to be occupied by the matters that bring high profits. They try not to deal with trifles (they do not engage in criminal business, in spite of the promising incomes, since this does not allow their system of moral values, to which they are subconsiously oriented.)
    The LIE loves to earn money [ -- ], they love to spend it without considering. They do not love to save money, nor to reject the customary pleasures. To put off or to accumulate them - they do not always know how. Most easily of all the LIE spends the money, which was gotten "easily" (as the gain or the gift). Usually not inclined to the adventurous projects, the LIE is capable to pack "light" money into the enterprise, is not too thorough in terms of thought out and counted.
    The LIE does not forgive himself failure and errors in the work, but outwardly preserves calmness and optimism: "on the errors they learn."
    No hairsplitter. They hate hairsplitters. The LIE counts: you know how to earn - you have the right to spend. More easily they more freely spend large sums - more heavily they part with small ones, because of which, with the entire latitude of nature, the impression of stingyness is produced. Independently of income level, the LIE prefers to buy expensive things, taking into account their quality.

    They do not love to be occupied by repairing, repair, alteration. The LIE prefers to earn well and to purchase new things. Or to hire people to do it for them.

    In the difficult hours they do not schew hard work, if it is paid well. The LIE does not love small routine work, does not love to study details, does not love to be "on the pickup", [ -- ]", does not love the dull, passive labor.

    The ENTj does not suffer, and does not allow, outside control regarding his behavior, his time and quality of its work - distrust is considered by the LIE as insulting. Both in business and in the personal life, mutual confidence is considered the standard of relationships.

    They try not to get involved with con people, they hate [ - - ] swindle, "dishonest game", [ -- ]".

    The ENTj prefers to promise a little less, but then to make a little more. He is farsighted. His actions are evaluated from the point of view of their consequences. He can’t suffer irresponsibilities in any kind of relationship.
    The ENTj does not love to check the work of others in the process of fulfillment - he prefers to evaluate the final result.

    They do not love to depend on strangers for a timetable, or on their initiative; therefore they prefer the work, where they can be the owner: to assign own rate, to make own plan, to establish own standard. They do not love to work with a sluggish partner.

    Excellent leader and organizer. The LIE knows how to distribute work with respect to possibilities and abilities of each. Immediately he evaluates people according to his business, level of qualification and abilities. The work, which he undertakes, he carries out always with the enthusiasm, he is rapid and qualitative.

    Bureaucratic red-tape the ENTj sees as great evil - that what extremely irritates him, kills his business activity and depresses him. The need for living under the conditions, where his business qualities do not find application, where his labor does not obtain adequate payment - that oppresses the LIE. He tries not to stay under such conditions for long. The LIE is dynamic. Easily they adapt to new conditions, they stably transfer burdens and deprivations. (especially, if he knows that in the course of time this will be worthily profitable.)

    Representatives of this type magnificently work in the extreme conditions [ --]. Specifically, in the extreme situation the LIE most brightly manifests his willpower qualities, endurance, composure, business keenness, and also the skill to accurately calculate his time, force and possibility (after being weakened, it can generally forget about the time).

    Never the ENTj gives up before the difficulties - he will mobilize all his energies in order to overcome them.

    Block Of ego*2nd position * creative function * the "intuition of time"

    The ENTj knows how to see the advantages, allowed to him by time. His business qualities are manifested most brightly under the conditions for convenient and advantageous for it temporary relations (?). They know how to see the benefit of the future changes, just as they know how to see hopelessness and lack of promise of "depression periods".
    The LIE knows how to see and to estimate the moment, in which possibilities will be opened, and the knows how to use all those goods and advantages, which he possesses. He knows how to be adapted to the difficult times and to suffer them with the damage smallest for himself.
    He knows how to force time to work for him. [ --]. He knows how to hurry and knows how to wait. He knows when it is necessary to act decisively, and when it is necessary to be stored up by patience and to wait out. [ -- ]
    The LIE possesses all necessary qualities in order to adapt his behavior to the conditions of the indeterminate and unstable situation. For example, he knows how not to reveal his weaknesses when in business (?) - in order not to place himself in the unfavorable position. He knows how to be self-possessed and patient, whatever stress this costs him. He knows how not to reveal his incompetence - in order not to drop his prestige. He knows how not to encourage in vain - in order not to create about himself an image of irresponsible person (although in this, unfortunately, he does not always succeed).

    Under unfavorable circumstances, he alternates decisive actions with the periods of oscillations, doubts and idleness.

    In the period of duration (?) it is difficult for him to be switched to any other activity; therefore sometimes is created impression, that he loafs. (many ENTjs consider themselves lazy persons, although in reality – [ --].)
    The ENTj hates the periods of the forced idleness and expectation for reasons independent of him: this literally knocks him out of the track. In such periods it is not always capable to be switched to another work - indeed to him, as to any rational person, are inconvenient (?)[ --], confusion and confusion in the affairs.

    The LIE prefers the saturated rhythm of life and itself he feels well, when his day is painted on the hours and, to the limit it is condensed by interesting and pressing matters.

    And at the same time it would be naïve to assume that with his entire rationality the ENTjs adheres to his own timetable - he is sufficiently dynamic and easily he is adapted to a change in the circumstances. His intuition of time is subordinated to the interests of the matter at hand, to the interests of expediency; therefore he constantly introduces correctives into his order of day (which in turn can be expressed in such incidents as delay of the business meeting assigned, or two business meetings, assigned simultaneously in two distant places.)

    It does not make sense to ask an ENTj about the time of his return home or about his plans for the evening. He definitely will not answer these questions with his entire rationality (moreover, such questions irritate him.) Leaving the house, he automatically is converted in the "hunter after the success", which directs already his intuition. Therefore even to the LIE himself it is approximately unknown, how long will be prolonged his work (his business) day (which greatly complicates life to his households).

    It is not characteristic of the ENTj to deal on his matters under the limits of his timetable. For example, to throw the incompleted work and to break into a run to a meeting - that he can only do in the case of the relationships significant for him (precisely such "victim" he requires of, at first, of the dualization of its dual ISFj.) (?)

    In the childhood the ENTjs also do not love to compose to themselves the clear order of the day: [--] while he sits at home and makes lessons, in the garden something very interesting will happen, which requires his participation. [ --]

    With the favorable circumstances, the order of the day of the ENTj is most frequently condensed precisely: it can be noted at the lecture in the institute, then break into a run to the coin-operated telephone to settle some of his affairs, then run off somewhere to earn extra money and after in all to return to listen to the lecture. Or: to ask for leave to the week from his duties, to leave into other country, to alter there the heap of the matters, to call on relatives, to tie business connections, to again return to his duties, and in two days to make up entirely what had been missed.

    If the "business day" of the ENTj is not filled sufficiently with serious matters, this is the accurate sign of the fact that he is undergoing heavy times (The LIE hates idleness, but unproductive expenditure of time and energies he hates still more).

    The ENTj is irritated by any unforeseen expenditure of time. Sluggishness in all its manifestations irritates him, for example, when someone slowly talks. Most of all the ENTj is irritated when someone slowly goes or slowly will go before him. Traffic jams are the most monstrous torture for him.
    The ENTj can’t stand to wait (although frequently he makes it necessary to wait for others.) For him, there is nothing more foolish than to stand on the bus stop in the expectation of transport. Therefore the ENTjs, as far as possible, try to have their transportation means, even if this is any old bicycle. They prefer to walk on foot after the absence of personal transport.

    LIEs adore fast rides. And it is useless to fight this. In spite of their practicalness, they are ready to pay whatever convenient penalty, but they will not refuse themselves this pleasure.

    The ENTj loves the quick rhythm of work, generally loves to make everything rapidly, [ -- ], so that the process of preparation for the work would be minimum on the time - otherwise no longer it is desirable to make work itself. He loves to make entire work rapidly and well, and then with the pleasure to rest in the pleasant company.

    He does not love to walk on the stores and to make purchases, since he does not love to stand in queues, and, furthermore, to him it is difficult to evaluate the quality of things. To walk on the alleys, to sit in the turns cannot suffer (for the same reason it does not love to go to the doctors.) (?)

    The ENTj is irritated by the need for being distracted from work to give explanations, which he already gave many times gave; it irritatesm hi, when to him they shift unexpected work and by these break his plans (the ENTj is not at all pleased, when someone breaks his plans – it is another matter, when he himself changes them.)

    Its mottoes - "time does not await" and "time - money". Its time actually is expensive. Its plans are flexible and are dynamic. To it is convenient the partner, who considers himself his plans and it is adjusted slightly under them. (that subconsiously makes its dual - Dreiser.)

    Block Of superego*Third position *role function * the "ethics of emotions"

    Sometimes the impression is created, that it is not entirely clear to the ENTj, why he was given emotions and what he should do with them; sometimes the appears to people under the mask of simple-minded jovial merry fellow, a "into the board" kinf of fellow, in other times he appears with showy severity.

    As a rule, the emotions of the ENTj are subordinated to his reason and are manifested in that form, in which they are necessary in the interests of the matter. In the "interests of the matter" the ENTj cannot at all reveal his emotions, or to express something the opposite so that he now survives.

    In the contact he manifests the friendliness, knows how to be communicable, diplomaticallly he tries to find common language in any company, he knows how to be charming [ --]. He values a good humor, joke, charges all by his merriment and optimism, he loves to tell anecdotes and because of this characteristic, the ENTjs soothens and calms his eternally worried dual the ISFj.

    Sometimes in the initial stage of dualization some problems appear with the not always appropriate small jokes of the ENTj, which sometimes bear the nuance of black humor; they appear, sometimes – with nature of foolish drawings. But worst of all for the ISFj the small jokes of the ENTj with the [ --] (?), which do not simply repulse the ISFj, but they precisely reject him to such distant psychological distance, from which it is then not possible it to return. Associating with the ISFj, the ENTj becomes selective in all forms of his sharpnesses.

    The same occurs also with the manner of the ENTj "emotionally to be expressed": his emotional lexicon substantially becomes poor during ISFj’s lifetime. In the company of his dual the LIE tries to be polite and so that in the course of time this becomes an integral part of its behavior.
    Under the mask of joker and jovial merry fellow the LIE frequently attempts to hide his experiences and feelings from strangers. But this can never be hidden from his dual. The ISFj requires of the ENTj the sincere, frank emotions, which correspond to the right situation.

    The ENTj does not express emotional pressure on himself - he is more precise, he transfers as the natural calamity: his entire will is gathered into the cam even patiently he waits out, until this testing ends. That, who wants to become a good partner of any of the representatives of this type, one should know [--] and the ENTj cannot be reproached (although he frequently provokes that by hus behavior): not this will lead to what positive results, but relationships it will spoil so, that to repair them will be then practically impossible.

    The ENTj generally painfully survives negative emotions from the side of those surrounding. For example, when they demonstrate offence, irritation, hostility, antipathy to him. He cannot stand it, when hysterics are arranged, they provoke jealousy or scandal. This frightens him. The ENTj, with external alertness and [--], is nevertheless friendly, peaceful and ivery benevolent.

    No offence, any sufferings he wants to cause anyone (even inadvertently). Greatly he fears to produce on someone unpleasant impressions, to leave about himself poor memory, poor opinion. Therefore he constantly needs ethical correction from the side of partner, which to him most comfortably, it goes without saying, in the partnership with its dual, to ethical values of which the ENTj is subconsiously oriented.
    For example, if someone turns to the LIE with a difficult to achieve request, he tries not to reject (even, when he previously knows that the request is impracticable, he does not reject in the categorical form, since he is subconsiously disposed to the vulnerable ethics of his dual the ISFj, which usually receives the flat refusal as the break of relations.)
    The most difficult ethical situation for the ENTj - when his partner deeply is locked in herself (this state in the crisis situation, the ENTj characteristically accepts as alarm signal.) The uncertainty of his expressed emotions properly pricks up ears and seriously it disturbs. He literally begins to fee bad himself, [ --]. In such minutes he walks around the partner by circles, [--] looking intently at her face and attempting to understand what is happening. From his side he is prepared to go for any concessions, to do everything in his power, provided only that he takes partner away from this state.

    The ENTj is capable of easily and rapidly converging with the people: LIEs as no one know how "to outgrow" by friends. However, it would be incorrect to consider that representatives of this type make it possible to easily conquer their attachment. The ENTj is far from allowing everyone to get close. They are very distrustful - and in this they are very similar to their dual ISFj. Furthermore, LIEs know that they do not always know how correctly how to dettach themselves from people (their entire life this they learn). They do not love to become acquainted "blindly". They do not love, when by them tie some acquaintances. But on the close distance they are trusting, and fair too.

    To deceive the confidence of the ENTj: that means, to forever lose his friendship and respect. ENTjs very painfully survive disappointment in the friendship and in the love, since devotion and faithfulness for them are the most important ethical values. For the abuse of its confidence the ENTjs resent (?), although they are not vindictive by nature. They do not suffer lie, hypocrisy, injustice, insult in any form, violence and humiliation. The manifestation of any of these phenomena simply does not irritate - it enrages them. [--]

    Hot temper for the ENTjs - unnatural state. Usually they are the calm and balanced people (most frequently - phlegmatic persons on the temperament.) LIEs try to check their emotions, they avoid contact with those, who clearly irritate them. [ --] .

    Associating on the distant distance with the unfamiliar person, ENTjs, sometimes without the visible reason, "let out prickles". (they declare themselves "lone wolf".) It is necessary to possess outstanding ethical courage in order to turn to this "prickly ENTj" with the affectionate word. Fortunately, for his dual ISFj this presents no problems. In the external prickliness of the ENTj the ISFj sees only deeply complex ?) soul, who requires exceptionally cautious relationship. Personally the prickliness of the ENTj in no way frightens away the ISFj, but on the contrary, even pleasantly it tones up. An ISFj sufficiently confident in herself is capable to tame the most unapproachable "lone wolf".

    Block Of superego*fourth posotion * Place of Least resistance - introverted sensing

    The ENTj frequently experiences the sensation of discomfort with himself and with his surroundings. In his motions frequently it is observed the constraint, and sometimes also [ --]. Angularity and tension in combination with the awkwardness.

    The LIE is irritated, when discomfort is experienced. He is irritated because shames him. He does not understand, why, for example, manifesting endurance in the extreme situations, under the normal conditions he becomes receptive to such trifles.

    He badly feels the measure for its sensations. Therefore to himit is necessary the partner, who would feel this for him, which would know his tastes, his habits; which previously troubled about what sensations ENTj experiences in following second.

    About himself the ENTj cannot care, and for this very reason concern from the side of partner must be maximally farsighted. It is important so that to the ENTj would be created all conditions for valuable leisure. It does not have value, it was occupied today by work or the whole day nothing made, but even if he recently awoke and immediately he went to watch TV, one ought not to grumble: it means, for it is now necessary "recharging" by some new impressions and by new information. Furthermore, precisely, in the period of the "forced hibernation" the ENTj experiences the strong uneasiness and stress.
    When in his normal, "business regime", he generally very rarely makes possible for himself to rest and to be relaxed. Therefore, if ENTj is already prepared to leisure, it is not necessary to strain him: this greatly irritates him. It is not possible to move him from the place to the place, when he already rests (?), it is not possible to distract him at this moment by conversations or to call to the telephone. (although at the work site he can eat and work simultaneously.)

    When the ENTj worries about himself, he does not relax. For him the concern about himself - this is only excess and not always expedient work, since in private life he is very unpretentious and can manage without much. However, assuming the concern of partner, the LIE seemingly calculates, that they will help him to be relaxed. Therefore he reacts very painfully to the least manifestation of discomfort. For example, the absence of hot water in the military facilities - this is normal, but the absence of hot water in his house at the moment of his arrival from the work - serious disappointment (why is it so important to ISFj to always know the time of his arrival from the work? - so that in this moment there would be always hot water and hot dinner, so that all matters in the house would be already finished and so that nothing it would prevent the ENTj from quietly resting.)

    Female ENTjs are very unwillingly occupied by the housework (ENTj - housewife - this is generally an exceptional phenomenon, especially today). The need for being torn up between the house and the business especially irritates them: "I urgently should make telemarketing, and [ --], soup I cook, it on top of that ventured this harvesting..." Leave for the care of child female ENTj also tries to combine with the least propulsion period of its career: " thus it solved: thus far even in me entire work will be adjusted, thus far still I will computer master, language teach, 4 nevertheless houses I sit [--]

    The female ENTj does not always successfully select for herself clothing and cosmetics (it must be noted, representatives of this type they are beautiful, most frequently with precisely their natural beauty, cosmetics seldom decorate them, even if makeup is applied by professional makeup technician.) Many representatives of this type, even with the classical beautiful appearance, consider themselves unattractive. Considering their face plain (moreover, completely undeservedly), they can hide it under the enormous black glasses, so that for all does remain riddle [--]
    Most likely, this is - myth. The ENTj almost never is confident in his own taste, in the aesthetic value of his appearance, in the manners of his behavior, which, incidentally, leads to the excessive shyness, "prickliness". Badly he feels arrangement or hostile attitude to himself of those surrounding. He is not confident, which can cause sympathies or be dear (and its this colossal error!). Nor he appreciates he attractiveness. He has no special liking for himself.

    In the holiday, ceremonial- official situation he feels itself bound. It is good for him, where the situation does not require parade and ceremonies: on nature, in the scaffolding, in the march, where they are permitted simple sport clothing, the natural behavior, which prevents affectation.

    Sometimes the aesthetical self-appraisal of the LIE is so understated that he prefers to surround itself by clearly waning people, sometimes even with the physical deviations. Or he prefers rough, cheap pleasures in the company of people of understated social status.

    Disorder in private life does not interfere with the ENTj. He is indifferent to the aesthetical qualities of things. Frequently in his clothing any aesthetical illogicality is present. Knowing this deficiency, ENTjs greatly do not love, when they are scrutinized into that. Therefore the ISFj never looks at the ENTj with her "penetrating" view (ISFj is generally not on the close psychological distance with those at whom they look in that manner) and never she makes observations relative to deficiencies in the ENTj’s appearance and clothing - she can either sincerely sympathize with him, dressed inconveniently or propose their participation in the solution of this problem, but criticize she will not, if he, of course, about this do not ask.
    The manifestation of the concern about himself the ENTj receives as the expression of a good relationship. Only with this partner he properly relaxes, only to her he properly entrusts.

    Obtaining a sufficient support according to his weak function, the LIE "is opened" for obtaining the information with its "suggestive" (suggested) function. But this already the theme of the following description.

    Block OF SUPERID**Suggestive function * the "ethics of relations"

    This function forms this type’s firmest values. It - "blind". It - is passive. It realizes subconsiously and seemingly is the depository of vital values and installations, which form the world view of the ENTj. This is - the indicator, with which he compares information about behavior of his surrounding people.

    To the LIE it is necessary to know the motives of behavior, to know, who actually relates well to him, but whom it would not interfere and [--]. Since to the ENTj it is very difficult to understand and to analyze this, he needs someone, who excellently understands all details of interrelations and always whom he can always consult in every detail in this question. (precisely in this is his dual ISFj out of the competition.)

    Subconsiously oriented on high moral and moral installations, the ENTj is also defender and keeper of the most important ethical values. Friendship, love, devotion to the interests of the matter, to the interests of its "command" - the positive basis of its ethics, its ethical foundation.
    Just as the ISFj, the ENTj imposes on partner very high ethical requirements, although he manifests a much greater tolerance to some insignificant deviations from the most important moral principles. In contrast to the ISFj, the ENTj does not always feel, when they deceive it: this he calculates logically, but, once after exposing partner in the lie, never he will forget or forgive.

    The ENTj survives any crisis of relationships very painfully. And the most terrible for the ENTj, when partner either cannot or does not desire to remove him from this state. (the ISFj in this respect, in addition is more preferable than all other partners: she not only will not allow the crisis of relations, but even the least uncertainty in them she will not stand.)
    [--]

    And in the process of the formation of relationships the ENTj subconsiously calculates that the entire initiative for himself will take hjs partner. And the ISFj is actually predisposed to take entire ethical and volitional initiative upon herself, (if, of course, she is not too forged by prejudices.) From his side, the ENTj willingly takes to himself entire business initiative in the development of the relationship: he will always find the method to overcome any obstacles, any distances - main thing so that his partner would experience no difficulties or inconveniences.
    The problem of ENTjs is the fact that the ISFj is the only psychological type, capable of taking upon herself initiative in the development of relationship (furthermore, as any dual, for the ENTjs the ISFj is least of all noticeable and is least attractive). Therefore ENTjs are frequently inferior to the initiative of the partners psychologically incompatible with them, which is especially painfully shown precisely in the period of the crisis of the relationship: partner- logicians, for example, possessing weak ethics, cannot derive relationship from the crisis, but the psychologically incompatible partner- ethics themselves are capable of provoking the complication of relationship in order to employ it as means of emotional action.

    The ENTj always notices when someome tries to manipulate their emotions. On the other hand, he does not always know, how one should to this react. It is necessary time in order to be understood, what nature of relationship stands after all these manipulations. If he comes to the conclusion that this method of relations does not complicate his life too much, then completely he can be pulled into ethical game alien to him. Although, in principle, the ENTj recognizes no ethical games: he hates hypocrisy, double-facedness, falsity, insincerity; he cannot stand it, when he is deceived by cunning, when before some indeterminate ethical goals [--] are set.

    ENTjs are not those partners, who easily are separated from their "legal half". In the case of strong psychological discomfort, and incapacity to change anything in the relationship, he can leave from the family. But to be “led astray”, even in the case of more attractive alternative – he won’t.
    The LIE in the ethical plan is actually very conservative with the external ethical mobility, which creates to it additional problems in the case of alliance with the psychologically incompatible partners. The ISFj - only, who can guarantee the sheer absence of problems on the aspect of the ethics of relationships with the ENTj.

    Block OF SUPERID*'-* activation function * "extroverted sensing"

    As has already been mentioned, the business qualities of the ENTj depend more on favorable ambient conditions, than on the personal willpower efforts. And nevertheless from its critical situation frequently is derived the precisely effort of will, which he decides to make - if not of the personal motives, then already at least in the interests of "his command", before which he always feels the great responsibility.

    With their entire pragmaticality and practicalness the ENTjs have a habit to periodically "hover in the clouds". It would seem, that the LIE must not make inadvisable anything, since this contradicts the program of his intellect. And nevertheless his purposes sometimes turn around by mirages (since, as any intuitive, he does not always realistically look at things).

    In this period much depends on how rapidly he will be able to make despite himself an effort of will, to forego the erroneous plans, to set before itself as a new goals and to be disposed on their realization.
    The ENTj needs the partner, who can guide him to practical purposes and convince of the ephemerality of his previous concepts. To him it is very difficult to make a volitional effort, especially in the situation of the crisis of his plans. Therefore he is activated, when in his life appears the new purpose, corresponding to his program, which has positive sense, determinate direction and capability of real application of force. The purpose, which will release him from the forced idleness and the useless expectation of changes. The purpose, for which it will be wanted dedicaton (?) to work and to surmount difficulty.

    And as a precisely this goal sets to him his dual ISFj (who although cannot see prospects, sometimes sufficiently distinctly sees the lack of promise of any undertaking and therefore she does not make possible for the ENTj to get stuck with some too distant and unreal plans. Creatively manipulating by different methods of volitional action, the ISFj makes it necessary for the ENTj to be switched to the more real and more urgent tasks).

    It is known that the ENTj does not love to start his undertakings. But nevertheless this periodically occurs. And since for him "to straighten" his matters is also unpleasant as to make anything that broken, next must be someone, who will force him to make it.

    Of course it is impossible to make it necessary for the ENTj to obey straight volitional pressure, this he does not allow. Moreover, such method of volitional action places under the pressure the ethics of interrelations with the ENTj. Therefore in the case of the ENTj, volitional pressure must be flexible, creative, and the ethics of relations - fundamental. [--] , these offences must rapidly and easy to be smoothed out by partner in order not to overgrow into the crisis of relationship (that possibly only in the partnership with the ISFj).

    As any intuitive, the ENTj throughout his nature is sufficiently scattered. He does not always remember, where he placed one or other thing or another. Harvesting and the guidance of order for it not the most pleasant occupation. And nevertheless, when the LIE with his entire indifference to the everyday disorder falls into the conditions, where the order strictly and strictly followed (as this usually is in Dreiser's house), this he accepts.
    One of the first is indicative the output of the LIE from the sincere crisis - ordering by them its means of life, interest in the sport, the health, the physical, spiritual and intellectual work on itself.

    He will willingly make any work, will show service faster on the request of other, than on its own motive (if this to someone necessary - this makes sense to make.)

    ENTjs themselves do not attempt to subordinate someone to their will. (they wonderfully know how to organize work, to distribute it, but to constrain someone - no. For him it is more easily to stimulate materially, to interest, to inspire by his enthusiasm, but to force - this is not his method. To request, incidentally, it will not be, either: this does not rule out a refusal, and this is always unpleasant.)

    The ENTj is deeply democratic. He is attracted to no trappings of power, no connections, of position in society he does not boast, he hates snobs. People are evaluated according to their real abilities. He sees the advantage of authority only as the possibility to valuably realize his creative potential.

    ENTjs are not inclined to the abuse of authority. Moreover, they cannot even obey severe or wrong ( in their opinion) orders. At their own risk they will not adhere to inhumane instructions.

    The ENTj seeks the the role of leader and wonderfully it manages with the pleasure. The greater the authorities obtains the ENTj, the more he is activated and the more successful he works.

    Block ID*"- Observant Function * The" logic Of relationships "

    This function supplements the logical program of the ENTj, prepares theoretical base for him, collection and information processing are accomplished. His consistency and authenticity are checked.

    The ENTj it is possible to convince only by facts and logically irreproachable concepts. Subconsiously he always notes for himself all logical discrepancies and actual nonconformities in any thought expressed to him, in any theory proposed to him. He possesses excellent memory, he easily memorizes new information, trying to immediately systematize it.

    Information he collects very thoroughly, as far as possible from very authoritative sources. For the ENTj it is very important precisely the authenticity of information sources. As a rule, he rests only on those facts, of authenticity of which he is personally convinced. Therefore to him, it is always unpleasant to be disappointed in the information source: for the ENTj this is just as disappointment in the friendship - it was entrusted, and they brought it[ --]

    The collection of information in LIEs is complicated by the fact that they cannot allow themselves to too extend this process in the time: indeed so matter itself already can become late. Undertaking new big deal, he always tries to obtain the precisely comprehensive information: on the basis of the interests of matter and feeling of responsibility before its command, it does not make possible for himself to lightly relate to this question. Gathering information, the ENTj tries to be maximally foresighted and farsighted - it compulsorily should consider possible changes and changes of the conditions in the future. (for example: checking the article of expenditure, he, as a rule, considers his dependence on some unforeseen circumstances: a possible increase in the prices, inflation, increase in the taxes, increase in the tariffs on the services, connected with the maintenance and the insurance. I.e., the collection of information is achieved "on application" his subsequent mental function - "intuition of possibilities".)

    It is characteristic of the ENTj to notice any distortion of information known to him. He dislikes greatly, when people "distort" facts and thus they distort truth - this deeply agitates him. However relaxed he was, it would seem, any logical contradiction immediately pricks up his ears. ENTj - fundamental enemy of manipulation with facts, even if this does not change the essence of concept. He won’t always easily agree to recognize that one and the same fact is the consequence of the most different reasons. And not because he has in principle difficultly understanding: accepting any theory, it is important for the ENTj to be confident in his logical understanding.

    In exactly the same manner, accepting any information, he must be confident, that it is not based at the manipulation of facts. (in connection with this, sometimes problems appear in the initial stage of the dualization of the ENTj with ISFj: in the ISFj, as is known, there is manipulation ethics, and the ISFj is sufficiently free with the facts - to one and the same fact, she can attach the opposite value, and she does not see a big sin in this. This circumstance will prick up ears of the ENTj, until he understands that the ISFj’s logic is no more than a form of persuasion, which is exactly calculated for him, the ENTj).

    The LIE tries to construct all his actions on the basis of repeatedly checked personal experience (his technological procedures he develops also on the basis of repeated experiments. Therefore any criticism of his own tested procedures, he receives very painfully.)

    In the region of scientific experiments the ENTjs very boldly make their personal experience, and, beginning from the earliest childhood. [--] Greatly they love to develop, they dream to move apart the horizons of science. Greatly they are proud of their inventions, regardless of the fact how this affects those surrounding.

    The theoretical logic of the ENTj creates information base and it is the prerequisite of its subsequent mental function - the intuition of possibilities.

    Block ID*8th position * demonstrative function * the "intuition of possibilities"

    This aspect is extremely important for the ENTj. He subconsiously compares his own possibilities to the possibilities of others, because this is that region, in which it is constantly is desirable to work at himself and to without fail obtain appreciation. (it should not be supposed that because of this quality the ENTj is envious to the successes of others - in no case! And although he actually does not love, when to him someone mentions as example other people, who achieved more in life than the ENTj, but this is only because he usually prefers to decide for himself what successes it is worthwhile to imitate, and which are not.)

    Subconsiously the ENTj feels, that this quality is given him in order to rescue someone, to help out those, who are weaker than him, who fell into the misfortune, which is explained by subconsious orientation to the weak intuition of his dual ISFj. (many representatives of this type in the childhood they dreamed to work as firemen, to accomplish exploits and to protect weak).

    The ENTj prepares himself his entire life itself for this mission. During entire life he learns to overcome obstacles, he dreams to develop in himself some supernatural possibilities. Even at the ripe age he can with pleasure look at any [--] fighter, identifying himself on the spot with the invincible film hero.

    The ENTj respects people, who achieved much in the life because of their diligence, fearlessness, perseverance, foresight, common sense,; he respects people with the fantasy, people, who develop their abilities.
    He is reckless, he loves to participate in the contests of force, adroitness and endurance. Moreover he is connected spontaneously to such contests. (for example, in him it can arise the desire to repeat the recently seen acrobatic trick.) Easily he is included in bet, in the youth it iis possible to easily take on "weakly". The LIE from the earliest age begins to get interested in the limit of his physical possibilities, the limit of his endurance and courage. (ten-year old female ENTj "was experiencing" herself, sitting on top of the rails of balcony, at the height of the eighth floor)

    To ENTjs it is very important to trace the boundaries of the permissible possibilities. And if, it occurs, in the first experiments they still sometimes [--], then are repeated their "records" as far as possible repeatedly. And they are proud of this. (moreover these "records" they are far from always worthy model for the imitation - sometimes they they bear clearly "hussar" nature.) ENTjs love to demonstrate their fearlessness and courage. In the youth they frequently manifest demonstrative recklessness, carelessness, know how and love to risk. Saying about his achievements, LIE never claims anything excess - he does not love empty bragging. If someone doubts his exploits, he is ready to here demonstrate them.

    At the ripe age the risk of ENTj is based on precise calculations and well developed intuition. They love to play into the game of chances, frequently buy lottery tickets, although their laziness is to go to verify its gain. For them this not is more than the expectation of happy changes or the unique training of intuition, like as "weather report", on which they check, does regard with favor by them today success.

    Speaking about his successes, the ENTj tries not to subject to criticism the possibility and ability of others. He tries not to discuss them. (subconsiously he is disposed to the weak intuition of the ISFj) [ --] Even if presents the question "to the filling in", then only from the inquisitiveness, and not of self assertion.

    To LIEs it is always interesting to learn life on its steepest fractures. Impression sometimes is created, that they live as in the adventure motion-picture film. To [--] prepares himself for the serious vital tests. Them they draw the romantic of the risky adventures, work under the conditions of the increased danger, under the severe climatic conditions.
    Many of them try themselves in different forms of sport. For the ENTj it is always desirable to test what he yet did not experience. Even if for him it was necessary in the life, for example, to conduct ship, he will regret about the fact that here it still never governed aircraft. Another example - if any new road is opened, for the ENTj compulsorily he must drive on it: "as this, already three days, as they built new bridge, but still not the time to cross it!" ENTjs - innate pioneers, first- testers. To the ENTj it is necessary to try everything which is new for it [--].

    ENTj - whimperer - this exceptional phenomenon. Rarely who only from the closest environment can see him in the depressed state, that not hiding his desperation. (of course under the conditions of psychological discomfort the ENTj as any person, "is unscrewed", and consequently he can be whining, and be irritated on the trifles, but for the psychologically balanced ENTj this not characteristic)

    Representatives of this type badly receive death as reality, they do not believe that they can lose close person, and for this very reason the loss of their close ones they survive exceptionally painfully (although they hide their experiences).

    LIEs are very life-loving and optimistic, they love the saturated vital rhythm: active, dynamic labor and productive leisure. They love journeys, marches on the kayaks or the bicycles, love tourist songs, smoke of bonfire, to the romantic of wanderings. They love to listen to and to read history about any irregular phenomena, they are interested in fantasy and adventures. They frequently strike with the extraordinary latitude of knowledge in many regions.

    ENTjs usually try not to bring any one, moreover, into the difficult minute it sees its responsibility in finding of way out from any difficult situation, not only for himself, but also for "his dependents".

    "His dependents" for the ENTj - holy concept. On the request of friend it can go both into the fire and into the water: he can, for example, unselfishly return the blood for the man completely familiar to him, he can return all his savings to friends, who proved to be themselves friends in the difficult situation. For the rescuing of its dependents the ENTj can accomplish the miracles of courage, resourcefulness and endurance (and nevertheless in private life he can be completely indifferent to requests and commissions of its close ones).

    The ENTj feels completely terribly, when he sees that he involuntarily becomes the culprit of the problems of "his dependents", especially, if he cannot sufficiently rapidly solve these problems.

    It irriates him, when someone by anything brings him, or are created, additional problems, which complicate his own plans. The ENTj tries to avoid "problematic" people, and to him it is very always unpleasant to be the source of problems.

    With any circumstances he demonstrates confidence and optimism, he tries not to show his fear and not to demonstrate his sufferings. It is always calm, imperturbable, he always speaks in flat and cheerful voice.
    By his viability, by optimism, by love of life, by healthy adventurism, by fantasy, by the originality of thinking the ENTj suggests confidence tomorrow to his dual the ISFj, he guides her from many vital blind alleys, inculcates taste for adventures, teaches to be glad at life, the new unknown possibilities are offered before her, makes her life more rich., [--]
    , LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
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    gah you're like the shittiest ENTj ever!

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    As much as I'm skeptical of type profiles, as much as I have to admit this one is so shockingly accurate that I'm completely baffled.

    Do you have an idea of how it was assembled? ?
    ENTj - intuitive subtype - 8w9, sp/sx

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eidos
    Do you have an idea of how it was assembled? ?
    Well, she is just an expert in matters concerning her duals

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    Bumped for sticky.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    wow, its a stratiyevskaya description i can read!

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    I just read Te, Ni, and Fe, and I am now absolutely certain that I am ENTj. (as opposed to 95% certain)

    I related well to all of the descriptions. The things in Te about how the worst thing for an ENTj is to be unable to use his business strengths... I don't know how many times I've said that if it weren't for free market, I might as well be dead. I also knew on some level that I was giving up my marriage by moving forward with my plans. We lived quite comfortably in a large duplex, and my exhusband did not want to move to the city and thought my ambitions were unattractive. I did not see staying in that duplex as an option... the idea of staying made me feel like my life was absolutely pointless.

    I related very much to the Ni description as well. Peter scolds me for cussing when I get stuck waiting in traffic or get stopped at a light or can't walk around a slow group in front of me at a store.

    Sometimes the impression is created, that it is not entirely clear to the ENTj, why he was given emotions and what he should do with them; sometimes the appears to people under the mask of simple-minded jovial merry fellow, a "into the board" kinf of fellow, in other times he appears with showy severity.
    lol that's me... some call it an "EP" temperament... :wink:
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    Female ENTjs are very unwillingly occupied by the housework (ENTj - housewife - this is generally an exceptional phenomenon, especially today). The need for being torn up between the house and the business especially irritates them: "I urgently should make telemarketing, and [ --], soup I cook, it on top of that ventured this harvesting..." Leave for the care of child female ENTj also tries to combine with the least propulsion period of its career: " thus it solved: thus far even in me entire work will be adjusted, thus far still I will computer master, language teach, 4 nevertheless houses I sit [--]
    hahahahha that's so me. Unfortunately, I was brought up to believe that it is morally right to be a housewife and have children young.

    The stuff about how ENTjs have periods of work and periods of rest, and how the periods of rest irritate them and they are restless and uneasy and how it very much bothers the ENTj to be asked to switch from rest mode (which he's already unhappy about) to work mode and vice versa is also something that bothers me.
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    Default A personal and functional review of Strats' ENTj description

    I have not only commented on this ENTj description as to its relevance to myself, but also on how whether what she described actually was best explained by the function she chose. Where I have declined to comment, you can assume that I think it's essentially correct. I have emphasized the points that I think are particularly good.

    I have recently become more skeptical about relying too much on descriptions for typing, but for me this one works astonishingly well.





    Extraverted Thinking

    There is no larger misfortune for the LIE than the impossibility to find a proper use to their business qualities. Obviously this refers to Te dominance. It is correct, if you replace “business” with “activities that seem useful for something”.

    Their entire life is a search for the possibilities to maximally realize their strengths, mind and abilities in interesting and promising activities. Yes. Perfect summary of Te EJ.


    The LIE’s business qualities are manifested in evaluating the objective possibilities, according to specific conditions and situations. The LIE’s only design is that they will not rely on their own volitional efforts - it is inexpedient, especially because in the life still there exist success, luck and other objective conditions, on which they have the sense to apply their skill and business qualities. The LIE considers generally senseless to constrain themselves with unfavorable circumstances - it is better to attempt to change conditions. "Sisyphean labor" are not for them.
    Representatives of this type actively fight for the equally fair conditions and the equally great possibilities for all. The LIE fights for the restoration of fairness - they try to achieve that which is rightfully their due.
    If there is no possibility to restore fairness, they search for new places, where their point of view will be heard and where their work will be worthily evaluated. Representatives of this type are constantly situated in the search for the best conditions and the greater possibilities of application for their business qualities. For them it’s characteristic the frequent change of professions, the change of the place of the residence: it did not work out here - they try new places, new possibilities. They are - "pioneers". It was impossible to fulfill themselves in one region, boldly they pass into another, until finally they find for themselves satisfaction. Again Te EJ. This is something I had taken for granted in myself. I am constantly “searching for new places where my work will be worthily evaluated”. To be stuck in a dead-end job all my life would be a living death. Of course the final result may be less good than if I had moved less often.

    They prefer to attain high EFFICIENCY by the reasonable and rational distribution of their forces. For this very reason, representatives of this type do not have equal on the part of development and introduction of new technologies, rational and effective organization of working process; they magnificently generate interesting rationalization ideas, they are the authors of many advanced technologies and procedures.
    The LIE - ardent enemy of all irrational and ineffective method of operations. Organizing production, value is attached to material encouragement and personal interest of its workers. ([--].)


    They prefer work with specific practical application, not tempted by the abstract and removed projects. I am also interested in things with no obvious practical application (like history) but I would not want to work in that. I only spend so much time on Socionics because I do think it has practical application.

    They are not capable to start something in spite of their own opinion (in spite of their own idea about the common sense). They examine each activity from the point of view of its expediency ("and otherwise, why?"). They love to work and know how to carry out work [ -- ] ("and otherwise, why?"). If I understood this right, it’s about working on something you know makes no sense, like bureaucracy.

    They consider it expedient to be occupied by the matters that bring high profits. They try not to deal with trifles (they do not engage in criminal business, in spite of the promising incomes, since this does not allow their system of moral values, to which they are subconsiously oriented.) Definitely.


    The LIE loves to earn money [ -- ], they love to spend it without considering. They do not love to save money, nor to reject the customary pleasures. To put off or to accumulate them - they do not always know how. Most easily of all the LIE spends the money, which was gotten "easily" (as the gain or the gift). Usually not inclined to the adventurous projects, the LIE is capable to pack "light" money into the enterprise, is not too thorough in terms of thought out and counted.
    The LIE does not forgive himself failure and errors in the work, but outwardly preserves calmness and optimism: "on the errors they learn."
    No hairsplitter. They hate hairsplitters. The LIE counts: you know how to earn - you have the right to spend. More easily they more freely spend large sums - more heavily they part with small ones, because of which, with the entire latitude of nature, the impression of stingyness is produced. Independently of income level, the LIE prefers to buy expensive things, taking into account their quality. That sounds exaggerated to me. A lot is true, but I don’t relate well to the overall “free-spender” image. I never spend more than I can afford – unless it’s to make an investment (which can also fail, so I will be out of money *shrug*).

    They do not love to be occupied by repairing, repair, alteration. The LIE prefers to earn well and to purchase new things. Or to hire people to do it for them. Aha, first major functional mistake IMO. That has to do more with Ni>Si and the Si PoLR than with Te as such. It does not apply to ESTjs.

    In the difficult hours they do not schew hard work, if it is paid well. The LIE does not love small routine work, does not love to study details, does not love to be "on the pickup", [ -- ]", does not love the dull, passive labor. Yes.

    The ENTj does not suffer, and does not allow, outside control regarding his behavior, his time and quality of its work - distrust is considered by the LIE as insulting. Both in business and in the personal life, mutual confidence is considered the standard of relationships. Perfectly true, which is why I react strongly to people here questioning my motivations. But this has to do more with Fi than with Te.

    They try not to get involved with con people, they hate [ - - ] swindle, "dishonest game", [ -- ]". Yes, but this is Fi.

    The ENTj prefers to promise a little less, but then to make a little more. He is farsighted. His actions are evaluated from the point of view of their consequences. He can’t suffer irresponsibilities in any kind of relationship. This is a mix of Ni , Te, and Fi.

    The ENTj does not love to check the work of others in the process of fulfillment - he prefers to evaluate the final result. This is more Ni>Si than Te.

    They do not love to depend on strangers for a timetable, or on their initiative; therefore they prefer the work, where they can be the owner: to assign own rate, to make own plan, to establish own standard. They do not love to work with a sluggish partner. This is EJ temperament and Ni, I think an ENFj would be the same.

    Excellent leader and organizer. The LIE knows how to distribute work with respect to possibilities and abilities of each. Immediately he evaluates people according to his business, level of qualification and abilities. The work, which he undertakes, he carries out always with the enthusiasm, he is rapid and qualitative. If the work makes sense, yes. If not, I can be passive and depressed.

    Bureaucratic red-tape the ENTj sees as great evil - that what extremely irritates him, kills his business activity and depresses him. Totally. The need for living under the conditions, where his business qualities do not find application, where his labor does not obtain adequate payment - that oppresses the LIE. He tries not to stay under such conditions for long. The LIE is dynamic. Easily they adapt to new conditions, they stably transfer burdens and deprivations. (especially, if he knows that in the course of time this will be worthily profitable.) Perfect definition of Te EJ and Ni i.e. of ENTj.

    Representatives of this type magnificently work in the extreme conditions [ --]. Specifically, in the extreme situation the LIE most brightly manifests his willpower qualities, endurance, composure, business keenness, and also the skill to accurately calculate his time, force and possibility (after being weakened, it can generally forget about the time). Again, if the work makes sense from a Te-Ni perspective. If not – depression.

    Never the ENTj gives up before the difficulties - he will mobilize all his energies in order to overcome them. Which does not always mean succeeding, of course. And, again, this is Te EJ.

    Introverted Intuition

    The ENTj knows how to see the advantages, allowed to him by time. His business qualities are manifested most brightly under the conditions for convenient and advantageous for it temporary relations (?). They know how to see the benefit of the future changes, just as they know how to see hopelessness and lack of promise of "depression periods". Yes, Ni.

    The LIE knows how to see and to estimate the moment, in which possibilities will be opened, and the knows how to use all those goods and advantages, which he possesses. He knows how to be adapted to the difficult times and to suffer them with the damage smallest for himself.
    He knows how to force time to work for him. [ --]. He knows how to hurry and knows how to wait. He knows when it is necessary to act decisively, and when it is necessary to be stored up by patience and to wait out. [ -- ] Yes but the latter is frustrating.

    The LIE possesses all necessary qualities in order to adapt his behavior to the conditions of the indeterminate and unstable situation. For example, he knows how not to reveal his weaknesses when in business (?) - in order not to place himself in the unfavorable position. He knows how to be self-possessed and patient, whatever stress this costs him. He knows how not to reveal his incompetence - in order not to drop his prestige. He knows how not to encourage in vain - in order not to create about himself an image of irresponsible person (although in this, unfortunately, he does not always succeed). Yes, all of this can be seen as Ni>Si but also a bit of Fe role concern.

    Under unfavorable circumstances, he alternates decisive actions with the periods of oscillations, doubts and idleness. Sigh . Yes.

    In the period of duration (?) it is difficult for him to be switched to any other activity; therefore sometimes is created impression, that he loafs. (many ENTjs consider themselves lazy persons, although in reality – [ --].) True.

    The ENTj hates the periods of the forced idleness and expectation for reasons independent of him: this literally knocks him out of the track. In such periods it is not always capable to be switched to another work - indeed to him, as to any rational person, are inconvenient (?)[ --], confusion and confusion in the affairs. Perfectly true.

    The LIE prefers the saturated rhythm of life and itself he feels well, when his day is painted on the hours and, to the limit it is condensed by interesting and pressing matters. Yes, if it all makes sense. Then I’m non-stop. To work on something I think makes sense and brings results is exhiralating.

    And at the same time it would be naïve to assume that with his entire rationality the ENTjs adheres to his own timetable - he is sufficiently dynamic and easily he is adapted to a change in the circumstances. His intuition of time is subordinated to the interests of the matter at hand, to the interests of expediency; therefore he constantly introduces correctives into his order of day (which in turn can be expressed in such incidents as delay of the business meeting assigned, or two business meetings, assigned simultaneously in two distant places.) This last bit seems exaggerated to me, and needs clarification in terms of Ni and Si.

    It does not make sense to ask an ENTj about the time of his return home or about his plans for the evening. He definitely will not answer these questions with his entire rationality (moreover, such questions irritate him.) If in full-speed working mode, yes. Leaving the house, he automatically is converted in the "hunter after the success", which directs already his intuition. Therefore even to the LIE himself it is approximately unknown, how long will be prolonged his work (his business) day (which greatly complicates life to his households).

    It is not characteristic of the ENTj to deal on his matters under the limits of his timetable. For example, to throw the incompleted work and to break into a run to a meeting - that he can only do in the case of the relationships significant for him (precisely such "victim" he requires of, at first, of the dualization of its dual ISFj.) (?) Not sure about this, but I can rearrange my short-term activity for the sake of someone I care about and who requires it. It’s als part of the duality, indeed.

    In the childhood the ENTjs also do not love to compose to themselves the clear order of the day: [--] while he sits at home and makes lessons, in the garden something very interesting will happen, which requires his participation. [ --] Hmm, not particularly. Not sure how to see this except general extroversion. Perhaps she was thinking of low Si focus.

    With the favorable circumstances, the order of the day of the ENTj is most frequently condensed precisely: it can be noted at the lecture in the institute, then break into a run to the coin-operated telephone to settle some of his affairs, then run off somewhere to earn extra money and after in all to return to listen to the lecture. Or: to ask for leave to the week from his duties, to leave into other country, to alter there the heap of the matters, to call on relatives, to tie business connections, to again return to his duties, and in two days to make up entirely what had been missed. Yes, again in optimal “useful” mode. This is again Te EJ.

    If the "business day" of the ENTj is not filled sufficiently with serious matters, this is the accurate sign of the fact that he is undergoing heavy times (The LIE hates idleness, but unproductive expenditure of time and energies he hates still more). Perfect. Of course this can lead to spending time in pseudo-productive activities in the absence of better ones – a bit unhealthy behavior.

    The ENTj is irritated by any unforeseen expenditure of time. Sluggishness in all its manifestations irritates him, for example, when someone slowly talks. Most of all the ENTj is irritated when someone slowly goes or slowly will go before him. Traffic jams are the most monstrous torture for him. This is one of my most defining characteristics and that deeply ennerves some people when in my car. My vision of hell is an infinite traffic jam. And yes, Te EJ + Ni.

    The ENTj can’t stand to wait (although frequently he makes it necessary to wait for others.) For him, there is nothing more foolish than to stand on the bus stop in the expectation of transport. Therefore the ENTjs, as far as possible, try to have their transportation means, even if this is any old bicycle. They prefer to walk on foot after the absence of personal transport. Absolutely accurate. Even if walking may in the end take longer than if I had waited for the bus. The point is to remain in control.

    LIEs adore fast rides. And it is useless to fight this. In spite of their practicalness, they are ready to pay whatever convenient penalty, but they will not refuse themselves this pleasure. Not necessary a pleasure, I just hate having my speed limited by others. Especially if I think it makes no sense.

    The ENTj loves the quick rhythm of work, generally loves to make everything rapidly, [ -- ], so that the process of preparation for the work would be minimum on the time - otherwise no longer it is desirable to make work itself. He loves to make entire work rapidly and well, and then with the pleasure to rest in the pleasant company.

    He does not love to walk on the stores and to make purchases, since he does not love to stand in queues, and, furthermore, to him it is difficult to evaluate the quality of things. To walk on the alleys, to sit in the turns cannot suffer (for the same reason it does not love to go to the doctors.) (?) Yes, same as above.

    The ENTj is irritated by the need for being distracted from work to give explanations, which he already gave many times gave; it irritatesm hi, when to him they shift unexpected work and by these break his plans (the ENTj is not at all pleased, when someone breaks his plans – it is another matter, when he himself changes them.) Same thing – I may change my timing plans, others may not - except, again, in the context of duality or pseudo-duality.

    Its mottoes - "time does not await" and "time - money". Its time actually is expensive. Its plans are flexible and are dynamic. To it is convenient the partner, who considers himself his plans and it is adjusted slightly under them. (that subconsiously makes its dual - Dreiser.) It’s more complicated than that.


    Extroverted Feeling

    Sometimes the impression is created, that it is not entirely clear to the ENTj, why he was given emotions and what he should do with them; sometimes the appears to people under the mask of simple-minded jovial merry fellow, a "into the board" kinf of fellow, in other times he appears with showy severity. More or less.

    As a rule, the emotions of the ENTj are subordinated to his reason and are manifested in that form, in which they are necessary in the interests of the matter. In the "interests of the matter" the ENTj cannot at all reveal his emotions, or to express something the opposite so that he now experiences. This refers to Fi>Fe actually.

    In the contact he manifests the friendliness, knows how to be communicable, diplomaticallly he tries to find common language in any company, he knows how to be charming [ --]. He values a good humor, joke, charges all by his merriment and optimism, he loves to tell anecdotes and because of this characteristic, the ENTjs soothens and calms his eternally worried dual the ISFj. “Tries” is better than “knows”. Fe role. Or emotion-creating.

    Sometimes in the initial stage of dualization some problems appear with the not always appropriate small jokes of the ENTj, which sometimes bear the nuance of black humor; they appear, sometimes – with nature of foolish drawings. But worst of all for the ISFj the small jokes of the ENTj with the [ --] (?), which do not simply repulse the ISFj, but they precisely reject him to such distant psychological distance, from which it is then not possible it to return. Associating with the ISFj, the ENTj becomes selective in all forms of his sharpnesses. Unfortunately, the “black humor” thing does happen. Fe role backed by Ni, maybe.

    The same occurs also with the manner of the ENTj "emotionally to be expressed": his emotional lexicon substantially becomes poor during ISFj’s lifetime. In the company of his dual the LIE tries to be polite and so that in the course of time this becomes an integral part of its behavior.
    Under the mask of joker and jovial merry fellow the LIE frequently attempts to hide his experiences and feelings from strangers. But this can never be hidden from his dual. The ISFj requires of the ENTj the sincere, frank emotions, which correspond to the right situation.

    The ENTj does not express emotional pressure on himself - he is more precise, he transfers as the natural calamity: his entire will is gathered into the cam even patiently he waits out, until this testing ends. That, who wants to become a good partner of any of the representatives of this type, one should know [--] and the ENTj cannot be reproached (although he frequently provokes that by hus behavior): not this will lead to what positive results, but relationships it will spoil so, that to repair them will be then practically impossible. If I got this right, it’s about not accepting “pressure” of the Fe sort – “why aren’t you laughing now” etc. Or “why aren’t you radiating ‘team spirit’ in this interview “.

    The ENTj generally painfully survives negative emotions from the side of those surrounding. For example, when they demonstrate offence, irritation, hostility, antipathy to him. He cannot stand it, when hysterics are arranged, that provoke jealousy or scandal. This frightens him. The ENTj, with external alertness and [--], is nevertheless friendly, peaceful and ivery benevolent. Same thing, in a way.

    No offence, any sufferings he wants to cause anyone (even inadvertently). Greatly he fears to produce on someone unpleasant impressions, to leave about himself poor memory, poor opinion. Therefore he constantly needs ethical correction from the side of partner, which to him most comfortably, it goes without saying, in the partnership with its dual, to ethical values of which the ENTj is subconsiously oriented. Yes but this is more the Fi dual-seeking.

    For example, if someone turns to the LIE with a difficult to achieve request, he tries not to reject (even, when he previously knows that the request is impracticable, he does not reject in the categorical form, since he is subconsiously disposed to the vulnerable ethics of his dual the ISFj, which usually receives the flat refusal as the break of relations.) Also Fi dual-seeking but perhaps also emotion-creating.

    The most difficult ethical situation for the ENTj - when his partner deeply is locked in herself (this state in the crisis situation, the ENTj characteristically accepts as alarm signal.) The uncertainty of his expressed emotions properly pricks up ears and seriously it disturbs. He literally begins to feel bad himself, [ --]. In such minutes he walks around the partner by circles, [--] looking intently at her face and attempting to understand what is happening. From his side he is prepared to go for any concessions, to do everything in his power, provided only that he takes partner away from this state. Absolutely true and again the Fi-dual seeking, but perhaps also indeed the Fe role. Of course sometimes I just don't know what to do.



    The ENTj is capable of easily and rapidly converging with the people: LIEs as no one know how "to outgrow" by friends. Hmm, not so easily for me. However, it would be incorrect to consider that representatives of this type make it possible to easily conquer their attachment. The ENTj is far from allowing everyone to get close. They are very distrustful - and in this they are very similar to their dual ISFj. Furthermore, LIEs know that they do not always know how correctly how to dettach themselves from people (their entire life this they learn). They do not love to become acquainted "blindly". They do not love, when by them tie some acquaintances. But on the close distance they are trusting, and fair too. Again, this is more Fi related.


    To deceive the confidence of the ENTj: that means, to forever lose his friendship and respect. ENTjs very painfully survive disappointment in the friendship and in the love, since devotion and faithfulness for them are the most important ethical values. For the abuse of its confidence the ENTjs resent (?), although they are not vindictive by nature. They do not suffer lie, hypocrisy, injustice, insult in any form, violence and humiliation. The manifestation of any of these phenomena simply does not irritate - it enrages them. [--] Totally true, but again, this is Fi.

    Hot temper for the ENTjs - unnatural state. Usually they are the calm and balanced people (most frequently - phlegmatic persons on the temperament.) LIEs try to check their emotions, they avoid contact with those, who clearly irritate them. [ --] . A bit of Fe, but mainly Fi>Fe preference.

    Associating on the distant distance with the unfamiliar person, ENTjs, sometimes without the visible reason, "let out prickles". (they declare themselves "lone wolf".) It is necessary to possess outstanding ethical courage in order to turn to this "prickly ENTj" with the affectionate word. Fortunately, for his dual ISFj this presents no problems. In the external prickliness of the ENTj the ISFj sees only deeply complex ?) soul, who requires exceptionally cautious relationship. Personally the prickliness of the ENTj in no way frightens away the ISFj, but on the contrary, even pleasantly it tones up. An ISFj sufficiently confident in herself is capable to tame the most unapproachable "lone wolf". I should think so.


    Introverted Sensing

    The ENTj frequently experiences the sensation of discomfort with himself and with his surroundings. In his motions frequently it is observed the constraint, and sometimes also [ --]. Angularity and tension in combination with the awkwardness. If it means being fidgety, yes.

    The LIE is irritated, when discomfort is experienced. He is irritated because shames him. He does not understand, why, for example, manifesting endurance in the extreme situations, under the normal conditions he becomes receptive to such trifles. I wouldn’t say this “shames” me, no.

    He badly feels the measure for its sensations. Therefore to himit is necessary the partner, who would feel this for him, which would know his tastes, his habits; which previously troubled about what sensations ENTj experiences in following second.

    About himself the ENTj cannot care, and for this very reason concern from the side of partner must be maximally farsighted. It is important so that to the ENTj would be created all conditions for valuable leisure. It does not have value, it was occupied today by work or the whole day nothing made, but even if he recently awoke and immediately he went to watch TV, one ought not to grumble: it means, for it is now necessary "recharging" by some new impressions and by new information. Furthermore, precisely, in the period of the "forced hibernation" the ENTj experiences the strong uneasiness and stress. If that means a general difficulty with relaxing, yes, but this is more the EJ temperament than Si PoLR. But perhaps Si PoLR makes it worse.

    When in his normal, "business regime", he generally very rarely makes possible for himself to rest and to be relaxed. Therefore, if ENTj is already prepared to leisure, it is not necessary to strain him: this greatly irritates him. It is not possible to move him from the place to the place, when he already rests (?), it is not possible to distract him at this moment by conversations or to call to the telephone. (although at the work site he can eat and work simultaneously.) True, but not sure if that’s really best connected to Si.

    When the ENTj worries about himself, he does not relax. For him the concern about himself - this is only excess and not always expedient work, since in private life he is very unpretentious and can manage without much. However, assuming the concern of partner, the LIE seemingly calculates, that they will help him to be relaxed. Therefore he reacts very painfully to the least manifestation of discomfort. For example, the absence of hot water in the military facilities - this is normal, but the absence of hot water in his house at the moment of his arrival from the work - serious disappointment (why is it so important to ISFj to always know the time of his arrival from the work? - so that in this moment there would be always hot water and hot dinner, so that all matters in the house would be already finished and so that nothing it would prevent the ENTj from quietly resting.) Hmmmm, perhaps. There is something to it.

    Female ENTjs are very unwillingly occupied by the housework (ENTj - housewife - this is generally an exceptional phenomenon, especially today). The need for being torn up between the house and the business especially irritates them: "I urgently should make telemarketing, and [ --], soup I cook, it on top of that ventured this harvesting..." Leave for the care of child female ENTj also tries to combine with the least propulsion period of its career: " thus it solved: thus far even in me entire work will be adjusted, thus far still I will computer master, language teach, 4 nevertheless houses I sit [--]

    The female ENTj does not always successfully select for herself clothing and cosmetics (it must be noted, representatives of this type they are beautiful, most frequently with precisely their natural beauty, cosmetics seldom decorate them, even if makeup is applied by professional makeup technician.) Many representatives of this type, even with the classical beautiful appearance, consider themselves unattractive. Considering their face plain (moreover, completely undeservedly), they can hide it under the enormous black glasses, so that for all does remain riddle [--] Not sure how it is for ENTj women, but all of this is indeed Si.

    Most likely, this is - myth. The ENTj almost never is confident in his own taste, in the aesthetic value of his appearance, in the manners of his behavior, which, incidentally, leads to the excessive shyness, "prickliness". Badly he feels arrangement or hostile attitude to himself of those surrounding. He is not confident, which can cause sympathies or be dear (and its this colossal error!). Nor he appreciates his attractiveness. He has no special liking for himself. Uhhh – do we have to go into this?

    In the holiday, ceremonial- official situation he feels itself bound. It is good for him, where the situation does not require parade and ceremonies: on nature, in the scaffolding, in the march, where they are permitted simple sport clothing, the natural behavior, which prevents affectation. Yes but this is related to Fe as well as Si.

    Sometimes the aesthetical self-appraisal of the LIE is so understated that he prefers to surround itself by clearly waning people, sometimes even with the physical deviations. Or he prefers rough, cheap pleasures in the company of people of understated social status. Exaggerated, but there may be something to it, unconsciously. I don’t go out of my way to hang around with people uglier than myself – except for having gone to meet FDG and Gilligan - but perhaps I feel awkward with “beautiful people” around.

    Disorder in private life does not interfere with the ENTj. He is indifferent to the aesthetical qualities of things. Frequently in his clothing any aesthetical illogicality is present. Knowing this deficiency, ENTjs greatly do not love, when they are scrutinized into that. Absolutely true. Therefore the ISFj never looks at the ENTj with her "penetrating" view (ISFj is generally not on the close psychological distance with those at whom they look in that manner) and never she makes observations relative to deficiencies in the ENTj’s appearance and clothing - she can either sincerely sympathize with him, dressed inconveniently or propose their participation in the solution of this problem, but criticize she will not, if he, of course, about this do not ask. ISFjs can also make such comments but much less than ESFjs or ISFps, generally.

    The manifestation of the concern about himself the ENTj receives as the expression of a good relationship. Only with this partner he properly relaxes, only to her he properly entrusts.

    Obtaining a sufficient support according to his weak function, the LIE "is opened" for obtaining the information with its "suggestive" (suggested) function. But this already the theme of the following description.


    Introverted Feeling

    This function forms this type’s firmest values. It - "blind". It - is passive. It realizes subconsiously and seemingly is the depository of vital values and installations, which form the world view of the ENTj. This is - the indicator, with which he compares information about behavior of his surrounding people.

    To the LIE it is necessary to know the motives of behavior, to know, who actually relates well to him, but whom it would not interfere and [--]. Since to the ENTj it is very difficult to understand and to analyze this, he needs someone, who excellently understands all details of interrelations and always whom he can always consult in every detail in this question. (precisely in this is his dual ISFj out of the competition.) Yes and all of this is indeed about Fi dual-seeking.

    Subconsiously oriented on high moral and moral installations, the ENTj is also defender and keeper of the most important ethical values. Friendship, love, devotion to the interests of the matter, to the interests of its "command" - the positive basis of its ethics, its ethical foundation.

    Just as the ISFj, the ENTj imposes on partner very high ethical requirements, although he manifests a much greater tolerance to some insignificant deviations from the most important moral principles. In contrast to the ISFj, the ENTj does not always feel, when they deceive it: this he calculates logically, but, once after exposing partner in the lie, never he will forget or forgive. Absolutely true.

    The ENTj survives any crisis of relationships very painfully. And the most terrible for the ENTj, when partner either cannot or does not desire to remove him from this state. (the ISFj in this respect, in addition is more preferable than all other partners: she not only will not allow the crisis of relations, but even the least uncertainty in them she will not stand.) Ideally.
    [--]

    And in the process of the formation of relationships the ENTj subconsiously calculates that the entire initiative for himself will take hjs partner. And the ISFj is actually predisposed to take entire ethical and volitional initiative upon herself, (if, of course, she is not too forged by prejudices.) “Calculates” is misleading. From his side, the ENTj willingly takes to himself entire business initiative in the development of the relationship: he will always find the method to overcome any obstacles, any distances - main thing so that his partner would experience no difficulties or inconveniences. Absolutely true. That is the Te EJ “contribution” to the Te-Fi duality.


    The problem of ENTjs is the fact that the ISFj is the only psychological type, capable of taking upon herself initiative in the development of relationship (furthermore, as any dual, for the ENTjs the ISFj is least of all noticeable and is least attractive). This last bit is exaggerated and very often untrue. Therefore ENTjs are frequently inferior to the initiative of the partners psychologically incompatible with them, which is especially painfully shown precisely in the period of the crisis of the relationship: partner- logicians, for example, possessing weak ethics, cannot derive relationship from the crisis, but the psychologically incompatible partner- ethicals themselves are capable of provoking the complication of relationship in order to employ it as means of emotional action. This means, for instance, sometimes using “drama” to get “emotional action”. With ENTjs this leads to disaster. I take it at face value.

    The ENTj always notices when someome tries to manipulate their emotions. Not always, that’s why it’s Fe role and Fi dual-seeking. On the other hand, he does not always know, how one should to this react. It is necessary time in order to be understood, what nature of relationship stands after all these manipulations. If he comes to the conclusion that this method of relations does not complicate his life too much, then completely he can be pulled into ethical game alien to him. Although, in principle, the ENTj recognizes no ethical games: he hates hypocrisy, double-facedness, falsity, insincerity; he cannot stand it, when he is deceived by cunning, when before some indeterminate ethical goals [--] are set. Totally true, and yes, Fi.

    ENTjs are not those partners, who easily are separated from their "legal half". In the case of strong psychological discomfort, and incapacity to change anything in the relationship, he can leave from the family. But to be “led astray”, even in the case of more attractive alternative – he won’t.
    The LIE in the ethical plan is actually very conservative with the external ethical mobility, which creates to it additional problems in the case of alliance with the psychologically incompatible partners. Absolutely true. The ISFj - only, who can guarantee the sheer absence of problems on the aspect of the ethics of relationships with the ENTj.

    Extraverted Sensing

    As has already been mentioned, the business qualities of the ENTj depend more on favorable ambient conditions, than on the personal willpower efforts. And nevertheless from its critical situation frequently is derived the precisely effort of will, which he decides to make - if not of the personal motives, then already at least in the interests of "his command", before which he always feels the great responsibility. That doesn’t seem Se to me, but it’s true.

    With their entire pragmaticality and practicalness the ENTjs have a habit to periodically "hover in the clouds". It would seem, that the LIE must not make inadvisable anything, since this contradicts the program of his intellect. And nevertheless his purposes sometimes turn around by mirages (since, as any intuitive, he does not always realistically look at things). This is Te and a bit of Ni.

    In this period much depends on how rapidly he will be able to make despite himself an effort of will, to forego the erroneous plans, to set before itself as a new goals and to be disposed on their realization.
    The ENTj needs the partner, who can guide him to practical purposes and convince of the ephemerality of his previous concepts. To him it is very difficult to make a volitional effort, especially in the situation of the crisis of his plans. Therefore he is activated, when in his life appears the new purpose, corresponding to his program, which has positive sense, determinate direction and capability of real application of force. The purpose, which will release him from the forced idleness and the useless expectation of changes. The purpose, for which it will be wanted dedicaton (?) to work and to surmount difficulty.

    And as a precisely this goal sets to him his dual ISFj (who although cannot see prospects, sometimes sufficiently distinctly sees the lack of promise of any undertaking and therefore she does not make possible for the ENTj to get stuck with some too distant and unreal plans. Creatively manipulating by different methods of volitional action, the ISFj makes it necessary for the ENTj to be switched to the more real and more urgent tasks).

    It is known that the ENTj does not love to start his undertakings. But nevertheless this periodically occurs. And since for him "to straighten" his matters is also unpleasant as to make anything that broken, next must be someone, who will force him to make it. Yes, that’s how it works and what I described in my thread with the example of ENTj-ISFj duality at work.

    Of course it is impossible to make it necessary for the ENTj to obey straight volitional pressure, this he does not allow. Moreover, such method of volitional action places under the pressure the ethics of interrelations with the ENTj. Therefore in the case of the ENTj, volitional pressure must be flexible, creative, and the ethics of relations - fundamental. [--] , these offences must rapidly and easy to be smoothed out by partner in order not to overgrow into the crisis of relationship (that possibly only in the partnership with the ISFj). Yes that’s how it works.

    As any intuitive, the ENTj throughout his nature is sufficiently scattered. He does not always remember, where he placed one or other thing or another. Harvesting and the guidance of order for it not the most pleasant occupation. And nevertheless, when the LIE with his entire indifference to the everyday disorder falls into the conditions, where the order strictly and strictly followed (as this usually is in Dreiser's house), this he accepts. Yes but this is more like – welcoming Se in the context of Fi-Se, even for Si matters.

    One of the first is indicative the output of the LIE from the sincere crisis - ordering by them its means of life, interest in the sport, the health, the physical, spiritual and intellectual work on itself.

    He will willingly make any work, will show service faster on the request of other, than on its own motive (if this to someone necessary – and if this makes sense to make.) Totally true.

    ENTjs themselves do not attempt to subordinate someone to their will. (they wonderfully know how to organize work, to distribute it, but to constrain someone - no. Absolutely. Te instead of Se. For him it is more easily to stimulate materially, to interest, to inspire by his enthusiasm, but to force - this is not his method. To request, incidentally, it will not be, either: this does not rule out a refusal, and this is always unpleasant.) Hmm, yes. But not sure how to explain it. Perhaps Fi.

    The ENTj is deeply democratic. He is attracted to no trappings of power, no connections, of position in society he does not boast, he hates snobs. People are evaluated according to their real abilities. He sees the advantage of authority only as the possibility to valuably realize his creative potential. Absolutely correct.

    ENTjs are not inclined to the abuse of authority. Moreover, they cannot even obey severe or wrong ( in their opinion) orders. At their own risk they will not adhere to inhumane instructions. Yes.

    The ENTj seeks the the role of leader and wonderfully it manages with the pleasure. The greater the authorities obtains the ENTj, the more he is activated and the more successful he works. Yes but this is also in the context of Te EJ or Enneatype 8. Not necessarily Se as such.


    Introverted Thinking


    This function supplements the logical program of the ENTj, prepares theoretical base for him, collection and information processing are accomplished. His consistency and authenticity are checked.

    The ENTj it is possible to convince only by facts and logically irreproachable concepts. Subconsiously he always notes for himself all logical discrepancies and actual nonconformities in any thought expressed to him, in any theory proposed to him. He possesses excellent memory, he easily memorizes new information, trying to immediately systematize it.

    Information he collects very thoroughly, as far as possible from very authoritative sources. For the ENTj it is very important precisely the authenticity of information sources. As a rule, he rests only on those facts, of authenticity of which he is personally convinced. Therefore to him, it is always unpleasant to be disappointed in the information source: for the ENTj this is just as disappointment in the friendship - it was entrusted, and they brought it[ --] Yes, but is this Ti? It’s more Te>Ti.

    The collection of information in LIEs is complicated by the fact that they cannot allow themselves to too extend this process in the time: indeed so matter itself already can become late. Undertaking new big deal, he always tries to obtain the precisely comprehensive information: on the basis of the interests of matter and feeling of responsibility before its command, it does not make possible for himself to lightly relate to this question. Gathering information, the ENTj tries to be maximally foresighted and farsighted - it compulsorily should consider possible changes and changes of the conditions in the future. (for example: checking the article of expenditure, he, as a rule, considers his dependence on some unforeseen circumstances: a possible increase in the prices, inflation, increase in the taxes, increase in the tariffs on the services, connected with the maintenance and the insurance. I.e., the collection of information is achieved "on application" his subsequent mental function - "intuition of possibilities".) Yes but this is more Te + Ni I think.

    It is characteristic of the ENTj to notice any distortion of information known to him. He dislikes greatly, when people "distort" facts and thus they distort truth - this deeply agitates him. Totally, as well as accusations that I’m doing it. However relaxed he was, it would seem, any logical contradiction immediately pricks up his ears. ENTj - fundamental enemy of manipulation with facts, even if this does not change the essence of concept. He won’t always easily agree to recognize that one and the same fact is the consequence of the most different reasons. And not because he has in principle difficultly understanding: accepting any theory, it is important for the ENTj to be confident in his logical understanding. Yes, this is related to Ti, but differently than for Ti dominants.

    In exactly the same manner, accepting any information, he must be confident, that it is not based at the manipulation of facts. (in connection with this, sometimes problems appear in the initial stage of the dualization of the ENTj with ISFj: in the ISFj, as is known, there is manipulation ethics, and the ISFj is sufficiently free with the facts - to one and the same fact, she can attach the opposite value, and she does not see a big sin in this. This circumstance will prick up ears of the ENTj, until he understands that the ISFj’s logic is no more than a form of persuasion, which is exactly calculated for him, the ENTj). Yes I have seen this happening.

    The LIE tries to construct all his actions on the basis of repeatedly checked personal experience (his technological procedures he develops also on the basis of repeated experiments. Therefore any criticism of his own tested procedures, he receives very painfully.) Yes. But all of this is also Te as well as Ti.

    In the region of scientific experiments the ENTjs very boldly make their personal experience, and, beginning from the earliest childhood. [--] Greatly they love to develop, they dream to move apart the horizons of science. Greatly they are proud of their inventions, regardless of the fact how this affects those surrounding.

    The theoretical logic of the ENTj creates information base and it is the prerequisite of its subsequent mental function - the intuition of possibilities.

    Extraverted Intuition

    This aspect is extremely important for the ENTj. He subconsiously compares his own possibilities to the possibilities of others, because this is that region, in which it is constantly is desirable to work at himself and to without fail obtain appreciation. (it should not be supposed that because of this quality the ENTj is envious to the successes of others - in no case! And although he actually does not love, when to him someone mentions as example other people, who achieved more in life than the ENTj, but this is only because he usually prefers to decide for himself what successes it is worthwhile to imitate, and which are not.) Yes.

    Subconsiously the ENTj feels, that this quality is given him in order to rescue someone, to help out those, who are weaker than him, who fell into the misfortune, which is explained by subconsious orientation to the weak intuition of his dual ISFj. (many representatives of this type in the childhood they dreamed to work as firemen, to accomplish exploits and to protect weak). Embarassingly true. But is this Ne?

    The ENTj prepares himself his entire life itself for this mission. During entire life he learns to overcome obstacles, he dreams to develop in himself some supernatural possibilities. Even at the ripe age he can with pleasure look at any [--] fighter, identifying himself on the spot with the invincible film hero. Uh – embarassingly true.

    The ENTj respects people, who achieved much in the life because of their diligence, fearlessness, perseverance, foresight, common sense,; he respects people with the fantasy, people, who develop their abilities. Yes.

    He is reckless, he loves to participate in the contests of force, adroitness and endurance. Moreover he is connected spontaneously to such contests. (for example, in him it can arise the desire to repeat the recently seen acrobatic trick.) Not so much in athletic exploits, not in my case. Easily he is included in bet, in the youth it is possible to easily take on "weakly". The LIE from the earliest age begins to get interested in the limit of his physical possibilities, the limit of his endurance and courage. (ten-year old female ENTj "was experiencing" herself, sitting on top of the rails of balcony, at the height of the eighth floor)

    To ENTjs it is very important to trace the boundaries of the permissible possibilities. And if, it occurs, in the first experiments they still sometimes [--], then are repeated their "records" as far as possible repeatedly. And they are proud of this. (moreover these "records" they are far from always worthy model for the imitation - sometimes they they bear clearly "hussar" nature.) ENTjs love to demonstrate their fearlessness and courage. In the youth they frequently manifest demonstrative recklessness, carelessness, know how and love to risk. Saying about his achievements, LIE never claims anything excess - he does not love empty bragging. If someone doubts his exploits, he is ready to here demonstrate them. Yes, but not all of this is Ne.

    At the ripe age the risk of ENTj is based on precise calculations and well developed intuition. They love to play into the game of chances, frequently buy lottery tickets, although their laziness is to go to verify its gain. For them this not is more than the expectation of happy changes or the unique training of intuition, like as "weather report", on which they check, does regard with favor by them today success. I don’t buy lottery tickets but the gist makes sense.

    Speaking about his successes, the ENTj tries not to subject to criticism the possibility and ability of others. He tries not to discuss them. (subconsiously he is disposed to the weak intuition of the ISFj) [ --] Even if presents the question "to the filling in", then only from the inquisitiveness, and not of self assertion. Yes definitely.

    To LIEs it is always interesting to learn life on its steepest fractures. Impression sometimes is created, that they live as in the adventure motion-picture film. To [--] prepares himself for the serious vital tests. Them they draw the romantic of the risky adventures, work under the conditions of the increased danger, under the severe climatic conditions.
    Many of them try themselves in different forms of sport. For the ENTj it is always desirable to test what he yet did not experience. From this point of view, true. Even if for him it was necessary in the life, for example, to conduct ship, he will regret about the fact that here it still never governed aircraft. Yes. Another example - if any new road is opened, for the ENTj compulsorily he must drive on it: "as this, already three days, as they built new bridge, but still not the time to cross it!" ENTjs - innate pioneers, first- testers. To the ENTj it is necessary to try everything which is new for it [--]. There is something to it.

    ENTj - whimperer - this exceptional phenomenon. Rarely who only from the closest environment can see him in the depressed state, that not hiding his desperation. (of course under the conditions of psychological discomfort the ENTj as any person, "is unscrewed", and consequently he can be whining, and be irritated on the trifles, but for the psychologically balanced ENTj this not characteristic) .

    Representatives of this type badly receive death as reality, they do not believe that they can lose close person, and for this very reason the loss of their close ones they survive exceptionally painfully (although they hide their experiences). But is this Ne? I don’t think so. Or is it weakish Ne?.

    LIEs are very life-loving and optimistic, they love the saturated vital rhythm: active, dynamic labor and productive leisure. They love journeys, marches on the kayaks or the bicycles, love tourist songs, smoke of bonfire, to the romantic of wanderings. They love to listen to and to read history about any irregular phenomena, they are interested in fantasy and adventures. They frequently strike with the extraordinary latitude of knowledge in many regions. Yes, but there is too much Fe here for my taste – tourist songs?!

    ENTjs usually try not to bring any one, moreover, into the difficult minute it sees its responsibility in finding of way out from any difficult situation, not only for himself, but also for "his dependents".

    "His dependents" for the ENTj - holy concept. On the request of friend it can go both into the fire and into the water: he can, for example, unselfishly return the blood for the man completely familiar to him, he can return all his savings to friends, who proved to be themselves friends in the difficult situation. Yes but this is Fi, not Ne. For the rescuing of its dependents the ENTj can accomplish the miracles of courage, resourcefulness and endurance (and nevertheless in private life he can be completely indifferent to requests and commissions of its close ones).

    The ENTj feels completely terribly, when he sees that he involuntarily becomes the culprit of the problems of "his dependents", especially, if he cannot sufficiently rapidly solve these problems.

    It irriates him, when someone by anything brings him, or are created, additional problems, which complicate his own plans. The ENTj tries to avoid "problematic" people, and to him it is very always unpleasant to be the source of problems. Not sure about who are “problematic people”.

    With any circumstances he demonstrates confidence and optimism, he tries not to show his fear and not to demonstrate his sufferings. It is always calm, imperturbable, he always speaks in flat and cheerful voice. A bit over-the-top but yes.

    By his viability, by optimism, by love of life, by healthy adventurism, by fantasy, by the originality of thinking the ENTj suggests confidence tomorrow to his dual the ISFj, he guides her from many vital blind alleys, inculcates taste for adventures, teaches to be glad at life, the new unknown possibilities are offered before her, makes her life more rich., [--] Not always succeeding. Anyway this is more Ni than Ne, or at least Ne “in the service of “ Ni.
    , LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
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    That was great.

    I read about half of it (along with your responses, Expat), and found it very illuminating. I plan to read the next half later, and perhaps even respond on points that I believe are especially relevent.

    To date, I think this is the most conclusive indicator of my type.

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    Didn't you say that you relate to every description though?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    Didn't you say that you relate to every description though?
    Indeed I did, but I don't think that invalidates my current inclination towards ENTj.

    I took your suggestion of ISTj to heart and seriously considered it for a time, but something feels quite 'off' about it. I am much too loose for the typical characterization of ISTjs, and I can't seem to fit myself into the functions. However, I believe the above description along with Expat's personal comments explains a great deal of my behaviour.

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    I found this further translation of Stratiyevskaya's description of Si in ENTjs.

    People of this type frequently experience the sensation of discomfort with themselves and with their surroundings. They become irritated when they experience discomfort because it shames them. They do not understand why, for example, they can have a high tolerance for pain and discomfort in more extreme situations, yet in their day to day lives they are easily bothered by such trifles.

    They are not good at measuring and judging sensations. This is why it is helpful for them to have a partner who knows their tastes and habits better than they do, and who will remember which things have caused them discomfort in the past. Their ideal partner will also be farsighted enough to help them prevent burn out. They're not good at taking time out of their schedule for rest and leisure. They generally don't take the time to rest until they have to because they've worn themselves out. During these periods of down time, they usually watch TV or spend time online. Even then, they may be resting, but they are not relaxing. During these periods of "forced hibernation" they feel a strong sense of uneasiness and stress.

    It's important to understand that they dislike taking time away from accomplishing things, so if they're at the point where they are willing to actually take time out and rest, it's because they have to, and it's not a good idea to pressure them to do things or be more active. When they're resting, it greatly irritates them if they're asked to run errands or do chores. It may also be difficult to get or hold their attention when trying to communicate with them during their down time. They may even stop answering the phone. (However, under normal circumstances, they tend to do a few different things at the same time.)

    They don't usually worry about their physical needs and comfort when they're working or trying to get something accomplished. In their mind, it only slows them down. Similarly, they can get by without much at home, as they are very unpretentious and do not see a need to concern themselves with aesthetics and comfort. However, when they're in a caring relationship, they will anticipate that their partner is going to help them relax. In that situation, they will react strongly to even minor discomforts (they are not comfortable simply asking for help). To them, the ideal partner is someone who takes initiative and responsibility for things like dinner and household chores because they find it very stressful to deal with such matters, and having to worry about those things makes it even more difficult for them to relax (so they can in turn get more accomplished).

    People of this type are very unwillingly occupied with housework, and they don't usually notice the unattractive state of their surroundings. It's not until putting off chores creates enough disorganization to interfere with something that they're trying to accomplish that they are bothered by untidiness in their personal space. It is extremely rare for them to be stay-at-home spouses. Because women are often expected to be responsible for domestic duties, a female of this type often finds herself very irritated by a feeling of being torn between business/work and household responsibilities. She may try to get dinner ready and put away groceries while she's taking care of an important business call. If she finds herself having to spend time at home to care for her children during times when childcare is not available, it's likely that she'll try to get work done from home. When having children, she's likely to try to time it so that she gives birth and takes care of her infant during a slow time in her business, and she will still try to make use of the time she has off of work by teaching herself a foreign language or learning something that will help her in her profession.

    People of this type don't generally have much confidence in their own aesthetic taste and appearance. They aren't always successful in picking out attractive clothes for themselves. Women of this type don't often wear make up (and they usually look better without it). People of this type often consider themselves plain in appearance, even when such is not the case. The way they carry themselves may appear constrained, angular, tense, or awkward. They tend to doubt their ability to attract others, and may be self-conscious as a result. They feel awkward when attention is drawn to their appearance. Because people of this type tend to think they are less attractive than they actually are, it's not uncommon to see them in relationships or friendships with people who are not equally matched with them in terms of physical attractiveness or social status.

    While people of this type may feel reasonably comfortable wearing business attire when it's appropriate, they very much dislike being expected to dress up for and attend festive or ceremonial social occasions. They are uncomfortable being in situations which require them to take part in creating a warm or celebratory atmosphere for the sake of a holiday, event, or tradition. They prefer situations which aren't intended to be particularly warm and festive, but rather allow people to behave naturally and wear their everyday clothes.

    They frequently lack aesthetic sense in what they wear. They may wear something which is inappropriate for the occasion, impractical for what they're going to be doing (such as shoes that aren't water proof when they're going to be walking through wet grass), mismatches the style of something else that they're wearing, doesn't fit them properly, or is no longer in style or season. Knowing this, they feel uncomfortable wearing styles that are trendy and dislike taking "fashion risks", as they lack confidence in their sense of taste in such matters. In an attempt to avoid receiving attention or criticism, they often stick to simple and familiar styles of clothing that they feel comfortable in and that won't stand out. Their ideal partner does not comment on their deficiencies in appearance and clothing.

    Instead of offering criticism or asking if they want help with the weak areas described here, their ideal partner will take the initiative toward a implementing a solution. People of this type feel that this is the expression of a good relationship and will only entrust and properly relax around such a partner.

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    Sorry, only SLIGHTLY unrelated, but...

    Instead of offering criticism or asking if they want help with the weak areas described here, their ideal partner will take the initiative toward a implementing a solution. People of this type feel that this is the expression of a good relationship and will only entrust and properly relax around such a partner.
    This last part here (along with a few other parts) sounds like ISFp/ENTp too...seeing is it what I have to do with Patrick (ENTp). Normally it is the second time around that I realize I just have to do something for them without any confirmation or encouragment...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clover
    Sorry, only SLIGHTLY unrelated, but...

    Instead of offering criticism or asking if they want help with the weak areas described here, their ideal partner will take the initiative toward a implementing a solution. People of this type feel that this is the expression of a good relationship and will only entrust and properly relax around such a partner.
    This last part here (along with a few other parts) sounds like ISFp/ENTp too...seeing is it what I have to do with Patrick (ENTp). Normally it is the second time around that I realize I just have to do something for them without any confirmation or encouragment...
    Some parts of a description such as this will fit just about any relationship between a sensing type and an intuitive type. Weak sensing is weak weak sensing, after all. The primary difference between ENxjs and ENxps when it comes to weak Si is that ENxps value Si criticism (from the right people, of course) because they see it as being helpful, and they are appreciative of help in areas related to their dual seeking function.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    Quote Originally Posted by Clover
    Sorry, only SLIGHTLY unrelated, but...

    Instead of offering criticism or asking if they want help with the weak areas described here, their ideal partner will take the initiative toward a implementing a solution. People of this type feel that this is the expression of a good relationship and will only entrust and properly relax around such a partner.
    This last part here (along with a few other parts) sounds like ISFp/ENTp too...seeing is it what I have to do with Patrick (ENTp). Normally it is the second time around that I realize I just have to do something for them without any confirmation or encouragment...
    Some parts of a description such as this will fit just about any relationship between a sensing type and an intuitive type. Weak sensing is weak weak sensing, after all. The primary difference between ENxjs and ENxps when it comes to weak Si is that ENxps value Si criticism (from the right people, of course) because they see it as being helpful, and they are appreciative of help in areas related to their dual seeking function.
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    Expat, perhaps you should put this on the Wikisocion LIE description.

    Also, is there a description like this for SLE?

    Lastly, the translation gets shitter and shitter by the function. Someone got bored of translation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra
    Expat, perhaps you should put this on the Wikisocion LIE description.

    Also, is there a description like this for SLE?
    All the Stratievskaya descriptions are on the wiki, go for "type descriptions", however, they are generally not revised, just machine translations.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra
    Lastly, the translation gets shitter and shitter by the function. Someone got bored of translation.
    I think that what happened is that I found easier to guess what she meant in the descriptions of , , and and , but I found the translation particularly difficult to interpret.
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    Since I have a good understanding of myself, I'm going through the description and editing what I can so that it makes the sense it was intended to make.

    Nonetheless, there are sentences like "Entire "volitional sensorika" of Zhukov is examined in the aspect: "either 4 - them or they - me". ("I it was small - me the father" of tyukal ", now I it grew - 4 to his" tyukayu ".)", and I have no idea what they are supposed to mean. They seem to be from Russian parables or they're using a technique Riso & Hudson use in the Enneagram to give an example of how they think.

    The more I read this, the more I understand how like an SLE I actually am.
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