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    Please help me make this description better.

    EP- Spontaneous
    You're impulsive, unpredictable, mobile, and fun. You enjoy change and get bored when things stay the same for too long. You live in the moment and donít weigh yourself down too much with concerns about future steps or details. When youíre active, you display impressive enthusiasm or drive, but youíre also comfortable slacking off sometimes. Others perceive you as energetic but not too uptight, however, they may also complain that you are unreliable. Your ideas or goals help spur people into action, but you're not very good with follow through.

    Your ideal partner is Easygoing. They're happy to go along with many of your ideas, but they're also good at pointing out and helping you avoid potential problem areas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy View Post
    Please help me make this description better.
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    EP- Spontaneous
    You're impulsive, unpredictable, mobile, and fun. You enjoy change and get bored when things stay the same for too long. You live in the moment and donít weigh yourself down too much with concerns about future steps or details. When youíre active, you display impressive enthusiasm or drive, but youíre also comfortable slacking off sometimes. Others perceive you as energetic but not too uptight, however, they may also complain that you are unreliable. Your ideas or goals help spur people into action, but you're not very good with follow through.

    Your ideal partner is Easygoing. They're happy to go along with many of your ideas, but they're also good at pointing out and helping you avoid potential problem areas.
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    EP- Spontaneous
    You're impulsive, unpredictable, mobile, and fun. You enjoy change and get bored when things stay the same for too long. You live in the moment and donít weigh yourself down too much with concerns about future steps or details. When youíre active, you display impressive enthusiasm or drive, but youíre also comfortable slacking off sometimes. Others perceive you as energetic but not too uptight, however, they may also complain that you are unreliable. Your ideas or goals help spur people into action, but you're not very good with follow through.

    Your ideal partner is Easygoing. They're happy to go along with many of your ideas, but they're also good at pointing out and helping you avoid potential problem areas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
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    I think you really described ej there and not ep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinocchio View Post
    I like the description and I think it blows your face with EP. Although, I disagree completely with "living in the moment". Somehow it is correct, as EP ignore details about the future, but they think a lot about it, rather in scenarios than clear roadmaps. Imo better would be to say something like "you're very active in the moment", or something.
    Thank you. I'll work on it.

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    I think you really described ej there and not ep.
    Check out this post for the other temperament descriptions.

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    I just have a problem with the Spontaneous label. I'm not sure I prefer people who are considered 'Spontaneous', ya know? And it's obviously based on a half-truth if it can't be applied to everybody with the type. It's an interesting perspective, but I'd just re-word it a little differently.

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    I agree with most of it but I think some EP's, especially Ne's, might be viewed as 'less' energetic simply because they are a bit more introverted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    I just have a problem with the Spontaneous label. I'm not sure I prefer people who are considered 'Spontaneous', ya know? And it's obviously based on a half-truth if it can't be applied to everybody with the type. It's an interesting perspective, but I'd just re-word it a little differently.
    What are EP's if not spontaneous?

    Quote Originally Posted by CeruleanFlame View Post
    I agree with most of it but I think some EP's, especially Ne's, might be viewed as 'less' energetic simply because they are a bit more introverted.
    Even if they have lulls in their energy, I think the people around them would probably consider them "energetic" overall because even those who don't expend a lot of energy seem to have an energizing effect on others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy View Post
    What are EP's if not spontaneous?
    Opportunistic.

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    What are EP's if not spontaneous?
    Energetic, upbeat, gives a charge or energy to others. I agree with all those other things you said I just don't really see the spontaneous thing much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinocchio View Post
    My IEE father insists he hates opportunists.
    Self-loathing, how quaint.

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    What is energy expressed if not rational, based on reason of other's expectation? It's not necessarily impulsive, but definitely abrupt and peculiar. There is obviously more communication problem, because of rejection of plans, traditions. The person isn't bad at communicating necessarily, but just prefers to be more original. Naturally decides that biorhythms, or entirety of their state, get the first say. For irrationals, rules are there to be understood but then personalized, so your EP is going to test the limits a lot. EJs are there to understand the rules so they can have greater motivation to apply them. EPs motivation is used to find shortcuts or new ways, which is the same for all irrationals, its just that the EPs express that more so externally. So there is going to be a lot of awkward nonsensical tension from the perspective of the rational and the rational will take it to heart, but the irrational typically ignores it once it proves unworthy and moves onto another attempt.

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    I love the description, Joy. And I LOVE spontaneous!! (this is your facebook quiz?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by redbaron View Post
    I love the description, Joy. And I LOVE spontaneous!! (this is your facebook quiz?)
    +1

    Srsly, spontaneity is what I do. They don't call me the Wildcard for nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JWC3 View Post
    +1

    Srsly, spontaneity is what I do. They don't call me the Wildcard for nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimosa Pudica View Post
    I think I'd add something about flexibility, maybe multitasking? (is that a general EP-trait?), and open-mindedness.
    As for multitasking - Holographic, I think.



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    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    Energetic, upbeat, gives a charge or energy to others. I agree with all those other things you said I just don't really see the spontaneous thing much?
    I'm not sure what else to name it... "Impulsive" sounds too negative, and "Irresponsible" is even worse.

    Seriously though, if you have any other suggestions, I'm open to them. "Energetic" and "Energizing" won't really work because a lot of them won't relate since they take their energy for granted. "Upbeat" isn't really true of all of them, even though it's quite true for many.

    Quote Originally Posted by polikujm View Post
    What is energy expressed if not rational, based on reason of other's expectation? It's not necessarily impulsive, but definitely abrupt and peculiar. There is obviously more communication problem, because of rejection of plans, traditions. The person isn't bad at communicating necessarily, but just prefers to be more original. Naturally decides that biorhythms, or entirety of their state, get the first say. For irrationals, rules are there to be understood but then personalized, so your EP is going to test the limits a lot. EJs are there to understand the rules so they can have greater motivation to apply them. EPs motivation is used to find shortcuts or new ways, which is the same for all irrationals, its just that the EPs express that more so externally. So there is going to be a lot of awkward nonsensical tension from the perspective of the rational and the rational will take it to heart, but the irrational typically ignores it once it proves unworthy and moves onto another attempt.
    *ahem*

    You're IEI.

    btw, IJ's are the ones who are more focused on "the rules" (whether they follow/agree with them or not), not EJ's. EJ's are primarily goal directed and proactive.

    Quote Originally Posted by redbaron View Post
    I love the description, Joy. And I LOVE spontaneous!! (this is your facebook quiz?)


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    Quote Originally Posted by JWC3 View Post
    +1

    Srsly, spontaneity is what I do. They don't call me the Wildcard for nothing.
    I really cannot think of a better term (thus far) than Spontaneous. I think most EP types value spontaneity and appreciate partners who are flexible enough to go along with it. The only other idea I have is "Fun", but that doesn't really fit with the theme (the other options being Proactive, Steadfast, and Easygoing).

    Quote Originally Posted by Mimosa Pudica View Post
    A little goofy, but other than that, quite good.


    Yes


    Very true when young and without responsibilities, not AS true anymore.. Also, I naturally plan ahead a bit more than my ILE husband, who's always completely without control... maybe because of farsighted/carefree dichotomy? Still, it can pass, as I'm definitely more this way than most people, compared to life situation.


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    Yes


    When I want, I am damn good with follow through. Not sure I agree with that part. I never give up. This sounds Ne>Se, imo.

    It's true that I start things, and don't always finish, but it's not because I'm not "good" with follow through, it's because I can't do everything, and prioritize differently.


    Yes

    The "spontaneous" part is definitely true for me.

    I think I'd add something about flexibility, maybe multitasking? (is that a general EP-trait?), and open-mindedness.
    idk, multi-tasking seems more related to ADD, extroversion, and gender than EP? Not really sure.

    Open-mindedness is defined differently by different people, depending on their values, so I'd rather not use it in a temperament description.

    The descriptions are more of a "natural tendency" than a "this is how you are!" type of thing.

    How do you feel about the word "goals"? I specificially put it in there for the Obstinate types like SEE's who get an idea in their head and don't give up on it until they've accomplished it. It seems like for them, "Life is a joy ride... but there's one stop I definitely have to make along the way."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy View Post
    *ahem*

    You're IEI.
    Well yeah of course. That explains why I'm on the internet!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimosa Pudica View Post
    I read it as "short-term goals", so it doesn't bother me, but I don't have (m)any long term goals. I hate the "what will you do in 5 years" question. :wink:
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    I agree that the only real issue I have with this is the "living in the moment" sentence. I think it would be better worded something like this:

    "Because you prefer to live in the moment, you avoid getting bogged down by considerations of the future. Some may see this as irresponsible, but you simply prefer to address problems as they come."
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    Why not rip off the Russians and call EP "Mobile"?

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    I don't think "Mobile" matches up with the rest of the titles as well as, and... what does it even mean? Active? Moves around a lot? I don't think I'd describe all of the EP types I've known in quite that way. They're all sort of "spur of the moment" people though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy View Post
    I don't think "Mobile" matches up with the rest of the titles as well as, and... what does it even mean? Active? Moves around a lot? I don't think I'd describe all of the EP types I've known in quite that way. They're all sort of "spur of the moment" people though.
    I agree. I wasn't sure what "mobile" meant either? like a phone? heh. you can take them with you? put them in your pocket?
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    Quote Originally Posted by redbaron View Post
    I agree. I wasn't sure what "mobile" meant either? like a phone? heh. you can take them with you? put them in your pocket?
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    Quote Originally Posted by redbaron View Post
    I agree. I wasn't sure what "mobile" meant either? like a phone? heh. you can take them with you? put them in your pocket?
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    I don't really see the term "impulsive" as negative. Especially since it fits so well.

    I do understand that others, especially IJs, would consider impulsiveness to be a negative thing, but that says plenty about a difference between Ep vs Ij.

    Impulsiveness can show up in many different ways. The most common are:
    Seemingly sudden changes in actions...
    Seemingly sudden changes in ideas...
    Seemingly sudden changes in topic...
    Seemingly sudden changes in energy levels...
    Talking/moving without knowing what they are going to say or do until AFTER they've said or done it...


    The term "impulsive" even lets us anticipate or predict how an EP will respond to certain actions all humans must figure out how to deal with. For example:

    The Ep could be attempting to follow a "plan" or "outline" or "how to" of something, and then impulsively alter it, not with any new plan in mind, but just because it feels better or makes more sense to them doing it this way than the instruction's way.

    Also, the Ep attempting to follow that plan could feel all sorts of icky inside as they attempt to restrict their movements and ideas in order to finally follow through with something. Here they are attempting to control or suppress their impulses, but since that is such an important part to how they function, they are, in effect if not in intent, attempting to suppress themselves. This, of course, creates an internal conflict, a sense of being torn, divided, or squashed. (Note: this also means that the impulsiveness is going to burst out at odd moments, moments that outsiders might see as "over-reacting" or "inappropriate")

    Using the term 'impulsive' also gives the feeling of don't expect much follow through from this person. They may start with the intent to finish something, or follow through with a plan..even as simple as making a phone call...but new impulses come in which distract them from that follow through. So if you want them to follow through, they'll need some kind of reminder system, enough personal interest in the task/final product, and 'guidelines' that allow for plenty of allowances and options (as in, having multiple options on which step to take next, and not in some strict ordering).

    They aren't ADD/ADHD, but to others they may seem so. ADD/ADHD means that even with great personal interest in the task, the person can't retain focus. While EPs are fully capable of retaining intense focus in a task IF they have great interest in the task. If they aren't interested in ALL aspects of the task ENOUGH, then they won't stay focused on it, preferring instead to focus on things that are more interesting to them. (Note: if the EP doesn't make the phone call, it doesn't mean that they aren't interested enough in the person they were supposed to call, but it could mean that they weren't interested enough in a phone call as opposed to a computer chat, or a actual face-to-face visit, or weren't in the mood for talking, or even got distracted by something other than what time the clock says. ...i mean, seriously, who finds time watching all that interesting???)


    Using the term "impulsive" instead of the phrases like 'spontaneous' and 'lives in the moment, without thought to the future' etc gives a better picture than those phrases do. An EP is fully capable of thinking of the future, but their impulses often constantly adjust/alter either HOW they head for that future, and/or WHAT future they are considering at the moment of changed actions.


    EPs are considered mobilizers because they very often START things. That is, in a way, their job. They get things moving, get people moving, get ideas moving, even get themselves moving. Getting something moving doesn't mean that that thing has to stay in motion. You get it moving and then let it do its thing, then it winds down, and the EP steps in and gets it moving again.


    What's that phrase?? An object in motion stays in motion unless acted upon by an outside force? Well, for the EP, their job is to get that object INTO motion, not keep it in motion (nor force it into a specific motion, nor a specific direction).

    This is why EPs are good for bouncing around from task to task, getting things going into the direction intended, but then leaving it to others to keep it going there, and the IPs to alter the course AFTER things have been set into motion.

    This is how EPs and IPs can work together well.
    The EP gets things moving, and then steps back...
    The IP steps in, watches the movement (not keeping it moving themselves) and then lets the EP know if changes need to be made....
    Then the EP steps back in, pushes the movement into a new direction, steps back again, and awaits for the IP input...
    Repeat as needed....

    Both of them are fully capable of keeping a picture of the future in mind, but the actual actions are based on quick impulsive movements/actions of the moment, that will hopefully set things in motion towards that future pictured.

    Without the EP, the IP has nothing much to observe.
    Without the IP, the EP doesn't know what alterations to make to get it moving in the direction they'd like it moving in.
    (btw, this "thing" that is being moved can be the EP themselves ...or even IP, lol)


    An example, my brother and richard are both IP. My daughter and I are the EP of the group (local family). But since I'm the one with the most life experience, and awareness of the money, distance, locations, etc, I'm the one who gets things moving when we are all together, not her. (though her input is included with all of ours)

    Anyways, my brother or I are the ones who suggest that we all do something. We get an idea in our heads that we'd like to spend time with each other or members of the family. He'll usually let me know of an idea he had, like going to a movie or a play or something. Or I'll say that I'm going into town and would like to spend some time with him, I just don't know what we can do. I rely on his input as to what direction to get things going in. But, without me initiating anything, he generally won't actually get things going himself.

    Often times, when we are all 4 of us together, I'll be asking for people's input, what do they want to do? Where do they want to eat? etc. I don't want to push my own interests onto them, but I do want to get things going instead of standing around here hemming and hawing over what to do. Many many times they won't really give input, though my brother will usually provide a few options, leaving it up to me to make the decision of which we'll do. This is difficult for me, making that decision for everyone, as everyone has their own interests that don't always mesh well with the interests of others. My daughter (Se EP) has no problem making that decision, choosing to do what she herself wants to do. (Ni IP will respond well to this, I'm sure.) But I usually wind up with too many options (Ne EP) to make that decision. But eventually, we'll reach a point where my need to act is stronger than my desire to include everyone's interests/needs, and I'll set us into motion. (We often joke about how impatient I am, or that if they just wait long enough I'll make the decision for them, lol.) As soon as I get us in motion..get the car going in ANY direction, then either richard or my brother will let me know if they would prefer a different direction than where we were headed. It's almost like they can't really decide on something unless things are already in motion. But that's fine, as it gives me the feedback I need to alter the direction we were heading.

    A couple of times, on our outings, one or the other of them will come up with an idea, or will point something out to me, especially when they know that I will respond to it. For example, richard listens to a particular radio show every morning on his way to work. One episode they were talking about some guy who had said that elbows were an erotic zone. They found it funny. When richard told me about it, I said that the guy they were making fun of was probably talking about the inside of the elbow area. That made sense to richard. A few days later, we passed the radio show hosts in a store they were shopping in. Richard pointed them out to me, and immediately I had the urge to go over to them and explain to them what the guy they were laughing at was talking about.

    Also, one time I was visiting my brother (when I was first getting to know him), and we were walking and came to a furniture store. There was a particular style of couch I'd been looking for. So mid-discussion I suddenly turned and walked in there, and my brother followed me. I started telling him about the style I was looking for. The saleslady came up to us and did her pitch type stuff, and then referred to my brother as my husband. So I played along. And since I had played along, he played along. It was just a short, spontaneous situation to have fun in.

    Nowadays he says he misses that part of me. See, since I became a mother I've had to be more 'responsible', and I had someone depending on me to see to her needs, etc. This means reducing the directions my impulses want to take me towards. This has put a great strain on me as I feel as if I'm not able to be myself anymore. In fact, I've often joked that when I had her, I had to put my life on hold, and that I look forward to when she's 18 when I'm not responsible for her anymore, then I can go back to being myself, I can get my life back.



    So basically, I think the term "implusive" or "impulses" is a great term to use in your description. As is 'initiators of action' or such. Initiators covers the impulsive actions as well as intended movement or intended direction of movement, without dealing with the follow through. Allowing the EP to treat each action as merely initiating a new action or a new direction.
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    Oh I really like that post, Ann!
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    Quote Originally Posted by redbaron View Post
    Oh I really like that post, Ann!
    +10! It's easier to quote this post than all of yours, ann
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    Quote Originally Posted by mn0good View Post
    +10! It's easier to quote this post than all of yours, ann


    redbaron: as an IP, what are your thoughts on the IP with EP parts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by anndelise View Post
    I don't really see the term "impulsive" as negative. Especially since it fits so well.
    I don't see the term "impulsive" as negative either. I rather like it.

    Impulsiveness can show up in many different ways. The most common are:
    Seemingly sudden changes in actions...
    Seemingly sudden changes in ideas...
    Seemingly sudden changes in topic...
    Seemingly sudden changes in energy levels...
    Talking/moving without knowing what they are going to say or do until AFTER they've said or done it...
    I find all of this exciting and stimulating.

    The Ep could be attempting to follow a "plan" or "outline" or "how to" of something, and then impulsively alter it, not with any new plan in mind, but just because it feels better or makes more sense to them doing it this way than the instruction's way.
    this, to me, equals adaptability.
    They aren't ADD/ADHD, but to others they may seem so.
    My Ej husband calls our Ep friend "unreliable". I see why he thinks so but I disagree! But it's hard for me to explain to my husband exactly why I disagree, so I always let it go. lol

    Using the term "impulsive" instead of the phrases like 'spontaneous' and 'lives in the moment, without thought to the future' etc gives a better picture than those phrases do. An EP is fully capable of thinking of the future, but their impulses often constantly adjust/alter either HOW they head for that future, and/or WHAT future they are considering at the moment of changed actions.
    very well-put.
    EPs are considered mobilizers because they very often START things. That is, in a way, their job. They get things moving, get people moving, get ideas moving, even get themselves moving. Getting something moving doesn't mean that that thing has to stay in motion. You get it moving and then let it do its thing, then it winds down, and the EP steps in and gets it moving again.

    This is why EPs are good for bouncing around from task to task, getting things going into the direction intended, but then leaving it to others to keep it going there, and the IPs to alter the course AFTER things have been set into motion.

    This is how EPs and IPs can work together well.
    The EP gets things moving, and then steps back...
    The IP steps in, watches the movement (not keeping it moving themselves) and then lets the EP know if changes need to be made....
    Then the EP steps back in, pushes the movement into a new direction, steps back again, and awaits for the IP input...
    Repeat as needed....
    Yeah. But now that I think about it and really stop to analyze it, my interactions with my Ep friend are very... mutual. I mean, sometimes I suggest something, sometimes he suggests. It feels like a team effort. Overall, he has more energy to really push things forward and make them happen. Yet he gives me the credit, which makes me laugh. I think he sees my suggestions as being a big factor whereas I see his action as being more vital than my suggestions. He has this great way of subtly finding out what I like without coming out and asking me open-ended questions. And once he finds out, he remembers But I do notice and appreciate the fact that he looks to me for input. It feels like he needs what I have to offer and he respects who I am. It's nice.

    It's almost like they can't really decide on something unless things are already in motion. But that's fine, as it gives me the feedback I need to alter the direction we were heading.
    I totally feel this way! Like I can't decide until things are already in motion! ha

    Nowadays he says he misses that part of me. See, since I became a mother I've had to be more 'responsible', and I had someone depending on me to see to her needs, etc. This means reducing the directions my impulses want to take me towards. This has put a great strain on me as I feel as if I'm not able to be myself anymore. In fact, I've often joked that when I had her, I had to put my life on hold, and that I look forward to when she's 18 when I'm not responsible for her anymore, then I can go back to being myself, I can get my life back.
    I hear you loud and clear!! And I've got THREE.
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    Thank you redbaron.
    I was curious as to how much was P, and how well an IP would view what I had said about the EP/IP interactions.

    Your description of you and your friend, how you each give the other the credit, fits in well, I believe what the mutual need/aide I had mentioned.

    As for the children...Three? I can barely survive ONE.
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