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    OK, I really am curious about this one. Hitta, why don't you think you're ISTp?

    You seem to have the stubborness of an ISTp, and the sort of logic that although it's right, it's still wrong from a socialising Fe POV.

    I think you're far too rebellious to be INTj, also, although you've got good logic, you don't construct fully functional Ti systems with your arguments and ideas like INTj's do. You've got holes in them and they are more dynamic, they seem to be able to change whenever, depending on situation or discussion.

    You seem to care much more about your own principles more than what others think, and you defend these logically, like ISTp's can do. You don't seem receptive to Fe at all.

    It seems like you need someone like an ENFp who understands you and..work with your weaker points, probably through that.

    Or maybe i've missed something, and you've re-typed as SLI.

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    Si is just one of those things that everybody finds stupid to have as a primary function, so I doubt anyone would really care to partake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knight View Post
    Si is just one of those things that everybody finds stupid to have as a primary function, so I doubt anyone would really care to partake.
    Do you mean he is, or could be SLI, but doesn't want to consider himself as one because it's not regarded (or just isn't) cool to view himself as having Si as a dominant function?

    Edit: I think you mean this, but I just want to make sure.

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    Err...did you ever see his vedic astrology bullshit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    It seems like you need someone like an ENFp who understands you and..work with your weaker points, probably through that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hitta View Post
    Spoon?
    And there is why.
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    Oh please. You just think he's SLI because you think he "goes against the grain" like you with this rebellious bullshit.

    Hitta's just a hippie who got blown 40 years off course.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post

    Hitta's just a hippie who got blown 40 years off course.


    Are you all on crack around here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim View Post


    Are you all on crack around here?
    Most likely.
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    Ok, a very politically incorrect hippie
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    Ok, a very politically incorrect hippie
    I don't know if I would consider myself a hippie. I'm more like a god.
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    Pfsh, you WISH you were that much like me.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Err...did you ever see his vedic astrology bullshit?
    I recall him posting something about astrology.

    I remember him defending it or something, I think he basically likes to support things or to argue just to be difficult.

    Although some INTj's can have some times esoteric views, I don't see them defending it to the death like he does. They seem to pop up with something controversial then fade easier, which may be due to their weaker Se.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim View Post
    Could you elaborate on your shock?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    Oh please. You just think he's SLI because you think he "goes against the grain" like you with this rebellious bullshit.
    I've listed some of my reasons above, they're not the full list though, they're a starting point.

    What type do you think he is, and why?
    Hitta's just a hippie who got blown 40 years off course.
    Funny, but is it related?

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    Cyclops, you are terrible at socionics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazedratXII View Post
    Cyclops, you are terrible at socionics.
    Perhaps you can explain where i'm going wrong. This is a thread for discussion, i'm hoping it's not too much to ask you to contribute with some actual rationale in regards to what type fits Hitta. If not can you keep your irrelevant post(s) for elsewhere?

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    He may not be ISTp, but he can't be a Ti dominant. If you look at his socionic theories even going back to socionics.com, they're riddled with logical holes. A type such as an INTj is far more meticulous and less clumsy with their ideas and logic before presenting them.

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    He is INTj-Ti. His Ti is strongly tied up with Si. He has a good grasp of the inherent logical potential of objects, with a relatively diminished focus on how things tie together in an arbitrary, self contained fashion. To interpret his logic, compare it with your inherent sense of objects he's discussing. Focus somewhat less on the rote logic of words. As for you, I think you show well how a person can say alot but really say nothing. If I don't respond to you in alot of detail, it's because I consider it a waste of my time. That's for future reference
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    You're more full of shit than he is
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazedratXII View Post
    He is INTj-Ti. His Ti is strongly tied up with Si. He has a good grasp of the logical workings of his lasting impressions of reality, less so how things tie together in an arbitrary, self contained, but irrelevant fashion. To interpret his logic, compare it with your inherent sense objects he's discussing.
    I'm not entirely sure what you mean by 'your inherent sense of objects he's discussing.'

    I don't see what you mean by his Ti being strongly tied up with his Si. Wouldn't this maybe be because Si is an ego function and Ti a strong unconcious function?

    For the other part. Any logical type will have strong logic, however Ti dominants don't construct theories that are full of holes. This is more in line with a creative logic function, especially a Te creative logic, where the logic is more situational, that is, the rules aren't universal.

    I could look at pulling through examples, but I hope that we're all reasonably familiar with him. Perhaps some are less so because he used to post more of his ideas in another forum, which maybe therefore gives a better insight into how he uses his functions.
    As for you, I think you show well how a person can say alot and also say nothing at all.
    I don't understand this part.

    I also wonder where his Ne is, can you think of any examples?

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    Not 'logics', 'objects'. Yeah.. nice edit. Before you understand something you need to read it. repeat and rephrase: In order to see where he's using his Ti, pay attention to your inherent sense of the objects he's discussing, and not to their potentials for relationships with other objects. So imagine a can, and everything that a can is... then understand the can through what you can do with it. There is a difference. Do you see the difference? Okay, good.
    As for where his Ne is, it is receptive Ne. You can see it in the assumptions of what he says. This is how an INTj-Ti uses their functions.
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    We're simply on different pages. The above is just almost all gobbledegook designed to sound good.

    The best I can do with it I think is that a Ti will examine the can for what it is, and the Te will see what it can do with the can. Neither of these are particularly exclusive to Hitta from what I recall, expect perhaps a leaning towards using the can.

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    Alright you pedantic mother fucking cyclops, and passive aggressive son of a bitch Gilly. I'm going to sit here and type out a long ass, detailed, fill in every mother fucking blank post.. all just for you two.

    So you have a fucking can. We're imagining a can. A fucking metal can of empty soup. Okay? First imagine everything that the soup can is... then understand the soup can through what you can do with it. There is a difference. Do you see the difference? Okay, good. Yes, that was copy pasted. Now imagine applying Ti to both of those different mental scenarios you have cooked up, considering them your base impressions that feed into Ti. That's your input into the Ti function, okay? Those mental scenarios I just gave you.. Those two different ways of looking at things.. Si vs. Ne. You are going to collect of a bunch of those different mental scenarios, and sort them out relative to eachother using Ti. Okay? Now we have an input into Ti, and through the magic of Ti, we get an output. Ti sorts many of those impressions out, and organizes them relative to one another. Right? Once it's done, we have a finished product. So lets go back in time for a second, and walk through this using our minds. Remember when we we saw the can in terms of everything that we could do with it? We imagined its "Ne potential"?. Now let's collect a bunch of other shit.. Lets build a fucking car in our minds. You get a fucking radiator, and you get a fucking carborator, and you get a fucking engine, and a bunch of other shit. You see all of this shit in terms of what can be done with it; in terms of its potential, you fit it all together like it's a fucking Ti puzzle, and vuala: you have the exact other form of input that I described: a car, a fucking car. And you now understand everything that this car is. Why? Because you built the god damn thing from a bunch of little parts. Okay? Now I just walked you through an INTj-Ti information process. Do the reverse, starting with the opposite form of input, and you will get the opposite form of output. That will give you INTj-Nes information process. Okay? Now if you have further questions like how this applies to Hitta you can ask.
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    Way to waste your time. That's a massive fucking crock of shit.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    And if you can give me one good logical reason why I will leave the forum forever.
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    The simple existence of the can is not functionally related to Si. It's physical qualities (size, shape, color, or other properties of extension, metaphysically speaking) are EXTERNAL STATIC properties of the can as viewed as an OBJECT, and as such would be related to Se.

    If you want to talk about the can's EXTERNAL DYNAMIC properties as viewed as part of a FIELD, such as how you react subjectively to the color of the can, whether the color of the can matches other cans next to it, whether or not looking at the soup can makes you feel hungry, THEN you would be talking about Si.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    The simple existence of the can is not functionally related to Si. It's physical qualities (size, shape, color, or other properties of extension, metaphysically speaking) are EXTERNAL STATIC properties of the can as viewed as an OBJECT, and as such would be related to Se.

    If you want to talk about the can's EXTERNAL DYNAMIC properties as viewed as part of a FIELD, such as how you react subjectively to the color of the can, whether the color of the can matches other cans next to it, whether or not looking at the soup can makes you feel hungry, THEN you would be talking about Si.
    You look at a car. You understand and compare the various parts of the car; the radiator, the carborator, the engine. That is Si. These various parts of the car, the "field", are contained within the object being examined. This is what makes Si an introverted function. Comparing the can with the can next to it; comparing the car with your neighbours car; that is an extraverted orientation on what is an introverted function Si. But, if reworded properly, we can see this is infact an introverted process; and that you are only looking at it wrongly. If you consider the entire neighbourhood your object, and the cars in the neighbourhood make up the field you are examining, then the internal properties of the object lend itself to comparison between cars. But what must exist in your mind first, before these comparisons, is the presence of two cars.. many cars, a neighbourhood full of cars. There isn't much you can do with a can, and there isn't much you can examine within a can... unless you're thinking about cutting something with the can, or that the can is made of metal. The various aspects of the can; its metal properties, its shape, its weight; these are all that make up the field of the object. Understanding how these relate to one another is Si. But these comparisons are only possible because first we accepted the existence of the can itself, and then looked within it. So now we see that my example and your example infact illustrate the same thing; but that your extraverted way of thinking about Si is where you are confused. You do not understand Si. Your description of Si focused on its external properties in front of its dynamic and field properties. And that is not much of a surprise considering your type. Do you really think someones mind can operate entirely on feeling hungry and comparing colors? Okay, now that this confusion is settled I expect you to shape up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    Hitta's just a hippie who got blown 40 years off course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    He may not be ISTp, but he can't be a Ti dominant. If you look at his socionic theories even going back to socionics.com, they're riddled with logical holes. A type such as an INTj is far more meticulous and less clumsy with their ideas and logic before presenting them.
    i feel like this just refers to weak Ti in general. i would prefer hitta as an INFp or some such thing if he "can't" be a type.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    Do you mean he is, or could be SLI, but doesn't want to consider himself as one because it's not regarded (or just isn't) cool to view himself as having Si as a dominant function?

    Edit: I think you mean this, but I just want to make sure.
    I was just considering it as a possibility really. I don't know anything about him yet.

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    It sounds weird to actually come out and say it, but I kind of want hitta to be in my quadra.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazedratXII View Post
    You look at a car. You understand and compare the various parts of the car; the radiator, the carborator, the engine. That is Si. These various parts of the car, the "field", are contained within the object being examined. This is what makes Si an introverted function. Comparing the can with the can next to it; comparing the car with your neighbours car; that is an extraverted orientation on what is an introverted function Si. But, if reworded properly, we can see this is infact an introverted process; and that you are only looking at it wrongly. If you consider the entire neighbourhood your object, and the cars in the neighbourhood make up the field you are examining, then the internal properties of the object lend itself to comparison between cars. But what must exist in your mind first, before these comparisons, is the presence of two cars.. many cars, a neighbourhood full of cars. There isn't much you can do with a can, and there isn't much you can examine within a can... unless you're thinking about cutting something with the can, or that the can is made of metal. The various aspects of the can; its metal properties, its shape, its weight; these are all that make up the field of the object. Understanding how these relate to one another is Si. But these comparisons are only possible because first we accepted the existence of the can itself, and then looked within it. So now we see that my example and your example infact illustrate the same thing; but that your extraverted way of thinking about Si is where you are confused. You do not understand Si. Your description of Si focused on its external properties in front of its dynamic and field properties. And that is not much of a surprise considering your type. Do you really think someones mind can operate entirely on feeling hungry and comparing colors? Okay, now that this confusion is settled I expect you to shape up.
    The shape and weight and color of the can are STATIC PROPERTIES when examined in isolation, dipshit. When you take for granted how they function as a whole and examine the entire scope of their active effects on the immediate environment, THAT is external dynamics of fields.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    The shape and weight and color of the can are STATIC PROPERTIES when examined in isolation, dipshit. When you take for granted how they function as a whole and examine the entire scope of their active effects on the immediate environment, THAT is external dynamics of fields.
    Interesting obtuse jargon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by discojoe View Post
    Interesting obtuse jargon.
    Uninteresting obtuse uninformed commentary.

    Besides, did you read what HE wrote?
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    The shape and weight and color of the can are STATIC PROPERTIES when examined in isolation, dipshit. When you take for granted how they function as a whole and examine the entire scope of their active effects on the immediate environment, THAT is external dynamics of fields.
    And that is exactly what I described. The neighborhood full of cars is what you take for granted, and from there you can choose to compare whatever cars you want in whatever way you want. You never examine a car in isolation. It's always by how it relates to the other cars in the neighborhood. Shape and weight and color are not inherently static properties, they are simply sense perceptions; and if we choose to compare their relevance to one another, they are dynamic properties. There is absolutely no qualitative distinction between types of sense impressions for Se and Si, and that notion is absurd. Both functions use the exact same sense impressions. With the example where we built a car, the 'big whole we're taking for granted' in that case is the car itself. With the can, we understand the cans metalic properties by how it provides structural support to the shape of the can. The metalic property of the can has a 'relative hardness', this hardness is normed by how it provides structural support to the shape. In this way Si can understand the difference between these same aspects in a soup can vs. a bigass water boiler; through how the same thickness and strength of metal support the different shape and sizes of these objects. In the water boiler, the thin metal of a boilers sides is deficient relative to its huge shape and size. Not true with the can. With the can, that same property and quality of metal provides adequate structural support to the shape. So now we see dynamic comparisons between properties size, shape, and hardness. How could I make this any more clear to you? Could I? Please tell me someone out there can read and understand this. Okay, you are no longer going to get any replies because you're just not getting it, and I think it may be because you aren't trying. And I think that your inflated empty responses are shameless and ignorant.
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    Show me how you can relate this idea of the "neighborhood of cars" to hitta's ideas.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Is that a concession? I want to hear it first Gilly, after all the fucking trouble I've put into this
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    Concession of what? That you have the right concept of Si? Yes.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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