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    Here's a question (which I won't ask you to answer in a post, due to its nature): if you're an EXE, why do you have the personality you have today?

    What are your values, and how did you get them? Is your personality built of relics of your childhood, or things more recent?

    Why I ask... I think EXEs tend to be highly varied in terms of outward expression as well as internal values.

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    A combination of the psychological mechanisms conditioned into my psyche by past experience and my own self-defined principles, worldview, and self-image.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Of course, both ESE and EIE have a lot of rich internal values. My ESE mom goes to church, enjoys spiritual and 'inner world' shit, she just doesn't take it to the depths of extremes that I take it too, she's set with 'Oprah-fying' it more. That's why I supervise her about it, as I believe her concepts of internal stuff is umm kind of crude and half-baked.

    EIE is very internal, being the "actors"- of course, they look inward quite a bit naturally.

    IEIs are like internal about their internal ness on top of another layer of internal-itity. Wow, I suppose that can get annoying but we loooove looking deep into things. =D We also like the outsides to match our insides, and have good artistic aesthetic taste, generally speaking. (I view this as a quality of most Betas)

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    At the risk of derailing this thread into a typing thread, I'd like to use you, BnD, as an EIE.

    So, in my case, as an ESE, what I value is good cheer and being positive, regardless. A prefect at my school, another ESE, is focused on doing good in this world. Gilly, an EIE, values his intellect (and probably other stuff); while you, BnD, are focused on your vision and then broadcasting that to others. We can just use that as a hypothetical, though, since I really don't want to turn this into typeDrama

    Anyway, this raises an additional discussion: how does Ne influence ESEs and EIEs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coolanzon View Post
    Anyway, this raises an additional discussion: how does Ne influence ESEs
    Ne gives a hope to ESEs , hope that they won't die. But, at the end of the day, it's all in vain. They get eaten by worms just as they should.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tuturututu View Post
    Ne gives a hope to ESEs , hope that they won't die. But, at the end of the day, it's all in vain. They get eaten by worms just as they should.
    Wait, I thought that was Ni (Beta)...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Brilliand View Post
    Wait, I thought that was Ni (Beta)...
    Being eaten by worms is Ni. Thinking that you can somehow escape it is Ne.
    PoLR-HA 1:0. They better start believing in afterlife.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tuturututu View Post
    Being eaten by worms is Ni. Thinking that you can somehow escape it is Ne.
    PoLR-HA 1:0. They better start believing in afterlife.
    Naw, I think Ni is thinking it has to be a certain way, whereas Ne is classically indecisive. :wink:



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    Quote Originally Posted by Brilliand View Post
    Naw
    Is this no or now?

    I think Ni is thinking it has to be a certain way,
    Yeah, we're going to be eaten by worms. It has to be that way.

    whereas Ne is classically indecisive.
    Where you have options you can afford yourself to be indecisive. But if determinism is right then options are illusions. Is determinism right?

    . :wink:

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    Quote Originally Posted by tuturututu View Post

    Where you have options you can afford yourself to be indecisive. But if determinism is right then options are illusions. Is determinism right?
    Let's try to find it out

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    There are no choices. Nothing but a straight line. The illusion comes afterwards, when you ask "Why me?" and "What if?". When you look back and see the branches, like a pruned bonsai tree, or forked lightning. If you had done something differently, it wouldn't be you, it would be someone else looking back, asking a different set of questions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tuturututu View Post
    Is this no or now?
    It's a no.

    Quote Originally Posted by tuturututu View Post
    Where you have options you can afford yourself to be indecisive. But if determinism is right then options are illusions. Is determinism right?
    If the truth of determinism proves that options are illusions, then it follows that people do not exist. This is unacceptable. Simply because my choices are deterministic, does not mean that I do not choose them. I am a part of the system, not something excluded by it!



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    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater
    How much does your life depend on your decisions and how much on fate?
    I don't know.


    Quote Originally Posted by Brilliand View Post
    If the truth of determinism proves that options are illusions, then it follows that people do not exist.
    ?? If determinism is true, then it follows that things will unfold in one way(only). People of course exist, but what they perceive as options under the determinism is actually a guesswork based on insufficient amount of data.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brilliand View Post
    Simply because my choices are deterministic, does not mean that I do not choose them. I am a part of the system, not something excluded by it!
    Yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brilliand View Post
    This is unacceptable.
    Yes, deterministic philosophy is harmful. Harmful philosophies are unacceptable. (harmful morally, i guess that's what you were getting at?)
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