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    I'm curious about what ILIs and people who know them have to say about this... do you think ILIs are good judges of others' character? And why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by songofsappho View Post
    I'm curious about what ILIs and people who know them have to say about this... do you think ILIs are good judges of others' character? And why?
    Not immidiately, but after longer exposure probably lot better than average. What's different to most people, is that I don't get fooled by the Fe-BS. Also I'm more realistic. I pay more attention to how people treat people in general in long term and their actions, than what they say and what they try to potray, when I judge their character.

    Yet, I still had a SeTi bestfriend, who was a total asshole in general, just wasn't towards me. So in some cases it might seem that I'm not good judge of character. But then again, I was a kid then.
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    I think that Ni+ Fi hidden agenda gives them a good read of an overall good understanding of a person, I think they will stick with a sense of devotion to somebody once they form a good judgment of them, until if the person has done a blunder that mess up their character in the ILI's eyes. They will never see morality/a sense of good based on just the surface. Like for example of what warlord said, He has an SeTi best friend whose usually an ass to people, with a big Fi Polr, but an ILI might see it past that, and that maybe behind the Aggressive nature lie someone who wants to connect with him. Which makes thing ever more special.

    edit: this post reminds me of a person who, believe it or not sounds unbelievable like aixelsyd, and when I saw her picture I was like wow, Visual identification does relate to Socionics (just hate the way description explains it and when people misused them), both of them I can pretty confidently say they are the same socionic type, enneagram type and the same instinct. any how there is also an ESTj and all three of us have used to work together in the past, but me and the ESTj's gotten transfer out of the ILI's store, which the ESTj last seen her for a year and a half. While we were working together the ESTj naturally gotten closer to a lot of people (whose mostly alpha SF) which forgotten her birthday. The ILI, out of the blue text her and told her "happy birthday", The ESTj was really surprised by the fact that she actually remembers instead of her other closer friends. I think when ILI's is at its mode, these things might come out surprisingly, and even when the ILI might have not gotten surfacely close to the ESTj as others have, beneath it they might have long felt feeling which at odd times, at least ESTj might be more prone to not expect to come out like that.
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    I'm usually surprised by other's judgment of character, as they come off to critical of that person and focus on the problems, where I tend to see mainly the good in that person. I don't understand when people make jokes about others behind their back. I also don't understand why people don't get along. I find that there are easy solutions to these matters, and a lot of people just don't want them to be what I would call "solved." They would much rather separate themselves, not necessarily forming an alliance. I could say that I am likely too fair of a person in contrast to others, as others seem to stick firmly to their beliefs, and defend against any who threaten them. However I also know people more fair than me in this regard, and I simply feel like I don't deserve their kindness. Therefore there could be some right in these unfair people that just needs to get through to them, as for now they are repressing the right in order to protect their ego.

    Quote Originally Posted by 07490 View Post
    I think that Ni+ Fi hidden agenda gives them a good read of an overall good understanding of a person, I think they will stick with a sense of devotion to somebody once they form a good judgment of them, until if the person has done a blunder that mess up their character in the ILI's eyes.
    I'm also inclined to take positive judgments from others, say before getting to know the person being judged, and attribute some truth to it, sort of an idealist tendency. Much of the time however, the person was right and simply sent me off into a direction to which I could see the good character of the person, and saved me some energy in trying to find that for myself. There are some times (and I stress only some times), upon speaking of objective judgment like sociotyping people, that this seems to fail, such as person A types someone, and person B, C and D can see reason in the typing and go along with it, simply making no observations for themselves. By accepting that reason, one associates intelligence with person A. This is a simple analogy for character judgment gone wrong, even though the analogy has more to do with judgment of character in an intellectual sense, and as you can see my judgment of their character has to do with their judgment of someone's words: if they make sense, or if they're actually true, makes a big difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aixelsyd View Post
    I do it myself, after all, sometimes.
    I can act like a passive jerk, a tendency to disregard someones meaningful comments and leave their premise, if I basically dislike the person I'm dealing with. I have a feeling that I do this more than I know.

    Also what I said above (click here: http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...tml#post541073) about having a 'simple solution' seems like a lack of Fi, yet that is not what I mean to portray. I was referencing what I like to call quite stupid issues, and it's either the people can get along or they can't and should stop clashing. It's the feel of, don't you have something better to do? you're wasting time. They aren't trying to resolve the issue of them not getting along, they are trying to resolve the issue of them being right, which they assume they'll get along afterward.

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    Thanks for the answers!

    I have noticed that ILIs are excellent judges of others' character. It's probably like numbers said: strong Ni + Fi-HA has a lot to do w it.

    For my ILI guy friend, it's not even that he's just a good judge of character; he's also a great judge of compatibility bt himself and others, which is pretty cool. He married a woman he met in a crazy situation [the kind of situation where, hearing how they met/got to know each other, a lot of people would [did] shake their heads and say, 'wtf? that'll never work!'] - really, even I was concerned before I met her. But she's really great. I spent the day yesterday hanging out w them, and the more I do the more sure I am she's SEE and a kick-ass person in general. So I'm concluding that when they want to be, ILIs are often very good at reading people in a multitude of ways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by songofsappho View Post
    I'm curious about what ILIs and people who know them have to say about this... do you think ILIs are good judges of others' character? And why?
    Sometimes, but not always. ILIs like to put emotional distance between themselves and others out of a fear of misreading people and being hurt emotionally. So when someone does turn out to be a douche, their suspicions, or their justifications for the emotional distance, are then confirmed.
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    Yep they're some of the best judges of character, they observe people in detail, and have powerful intuition that can see beyond the surface. Very smart at setting people up to follow a particular action.

    EDIT: Actually it's probably more true to say they have the POTENTIAL to be good judges of character. Fi as their hidden agenda likely manifests as a subconscious distrust towards people that skews their judgements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logos View Post
    Sometimes, but not always. ILIs like to put emotional distance between themselves and others out of a fear of misreading people and being hurt emotionally. So when someone does turn out to be a douche, their suspicions, or their justifications for the emotional distance, are then confirmed.
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    That seems to make more sense for Fi in someone's superego. As a superid (subconscious) element, it would be conceptually a guiding influence for social relations and not a warning; whereas the superego might involve fear and distance, an area of caution and warning (because it's an area of neglect that has to be guarded).

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    I would echo Warlord on this. My initial judgments seem to be wrong at first, but in the long term I feel like I'm usually completely on point. I think this is something I tend to help SEEs with also. Sometimes I feel like they can be blind to the characters of others and once I sort of alert them to the fact that someone is a total douche they start noticing it and take action. That's my personal experience at least.

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    Imo good at judging people's character patterns starting from their actions and what they think. Not necessarily character as a rich (and somewhat fixed) spectrum of features and nuances inherent in someone's personality and not exactly along the lines of good/evil and psychological motivations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tackk View Post
    *I know you don't visit the forum anymore (I think?), but*
    That seems to make more sense for Fi in someone's superego. As a superid (subconscious) element, it would be conceptually a guiding influence for social relations and not a warning; whereas the superego might involve fear and distance, an area of caution and warning (because it's an area of neglect that has to be guarded).
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    The ILIs I have known up close and personal were not fond of too many people and basically cautious if not straight up mistrustful. They thought I was too naive and trusting. They taught me to question people's motives more than I would normally and how to be discreet. I feel fortunate to have the benefit of knowing them. <3

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    Nah.

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    ILI's are "good" judges of character in the sense that in assuming the worst they'll usually be right somewhere along the line... That said, they're also wrong somewhere along the line. I think in general they short-sell themselves with their realisitic attitute to people... I mean, yeah, people suck, but at least some do so interestingly. Usually ILI's can give long and exhaustive lists of people's bad qualities without taking into account the redemptive qualities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reficulris View Post
    Usually ILI's can give long and exhaustive lists of people's bad qualities without taking into account the redemptive qualities.
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    ILIs are unwavering judges of character. Good or bad is subjective or possibly requires more context.
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