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    What do you think are the most obvious signs of valuing Se/Ni vs Ne/Si?

    When observing or talking with someone, what sticks out to you as the most obvious indicator[s] of one or the other?

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    Judicious: silly, charming
    Decisive: serious business, edgy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coolanzon View Post
    Judicious: silly, charming
    Decisive: serious business, edgy
    But Ni/Se can also be charming. And Ni/Se isn't always serious and edgy. I think one obvious indicator (to me) is democratic vs. aristocratic. Ne/Si always seem to be very inclusive, even with their body language. They draw people in, welcoming anyone who happens to be standing nearby. Whereas there are some moments when Ni/Se can kind of pull away from the group or differentiate themselves in a particular way, depending on the circumstances. They can be more exclusive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redbaron View Post
    But Ni/Se can also be charming. And Ni/Se isn't always serious and edgy. I think one obvious indicator (to me) is democratic vs. aristocratic. Ne/Si always seem to be very inclusive, even with their body language. They draw people in, welcoming anyone who happens to be standing nearby. Whereas there are some moments when Ni/Se can kind of pull away from the group or differentiate themselves in a particular way, depending on the circumstances. They can be more exclusive.
    But Gamma is democratic and Ni/Se. Or were you only referring to Beta?
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    Aristocratic means ethics are paired with intuition, and democratic means logic is paired with intuition

    And Silly and Charming is for the Fe/Ti spectrum, and "serious" business and edgy relates more to Fi/Te, hence merry and serious.

    I put a few lines up on wikisocion that states that Decisive people tend to make decisions quickly on a small piece of evidence, how it says Ni types survive in situations where information is scarce, so they're more influenced to decide. Judicious people are more inclined to build a profile about a decision, gather everything they need, before they come close to making an official decision. They're also more inclined to not see how obvious the situation has turned into, because they regard the evidence as not substantial enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allie View Post
    But Gamma is democratic and Ni/Se. Or were you only referring to Beta?
    I thought gamma was aristocratic!
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    Quote Originally Posted by redbaron View Post
    I thought gamma was aristocratic!
    Alpha and gamma are democratic; beta and delta are aristocratic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coolanzon View Post
    Judicious: silly, charming
    Decisive: serious business, edgy
    wrong.

    sorta.

    Ni/Se people like this:



    Ne/Si people dont.

    No I am not gay, but that video is repulsive so sue me.
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    I look at the judicious/decisive dichotomy. I'm not that sold on the Reinin dichotomies but I think this one works.

    From Wikisocion:

    Judicious (Si/Ne valuers)
    • Accumulate a vast amount of information into consideration before making an official decision
    • Less convinced to finalize a decision based upon (even a strong piece of) external evidence
    • Natural state is relaxed
    • On work, usually prefers satisfying working conditions to salary and other rewards
    Decisive (Se/Ni valuers)
    • Make decisions based on a little bit of information
    • More easily influenced to decide upon (even a small piece of) external evidence
    • Natural state is mobilised
    • On work, usually prefers salary and other rewards to satisfying working conditions
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    Quote Originally Posted by warrior-librarian View Post
    Alpha and gamma are democratic; beta and delta are aristocratic.
    well I'll be... you're right. all this time (honestly!) I thought it was beta and gamma that were aristocratic.
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    decisives strive to impress, judiciouses seek enjoyment.

    I traveled through europe with an ILI friend and he wanted to see all the best sites and go to all the best restaurants, while I just wanted to see what was easy to find and eat whatever was nearby.
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    The song isn't so soooo bad, but I meant the video.
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    Oh, I see. Well I don't hate the video. I think it's ridiculous, but in such a... dry? odd? [something]... way that it's just kind of amusing. Scanily-clad women with power tools, the stats for which are shown onscreen, while a techno version of "Satisfaction" plays? It's kind of amusing, yeah.

    Why do you think it's distinctively Se/Ni?

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    Its like... All these visceral close ups and focus on Se CRAZY SHIT IN YOUR FACE.

    Uhg, its just like so cold hearted. And this is coming from a Ti ENTp lol! Like it makes attraction into some sort of sick game. Like "yeah i just need sex now and you're going to be my plaything". Nastyness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by songofsappho View Post
    Oh, I see. Well I don't hate the video. I think it's ridiculous, but in such a... dry? odd? [something]... way that it's just kind of amusing. Scanily-clad women with power tools, the stats for which are shown onscreen, while a techno version of "Satisfaction" plays? It's kind of amusing, yeah.
    I felt exactly the same about it.
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    Maybe I am just an angsty bitter teen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArchonAlarion View Post
    wrong.

    sorta.

    Ni/Se people like this:

    YouTube - Benny Benassi Satisfaction

    Ne/Si people dont.

    No I am not gay, but that video is repulsive so sue me.
    It's like FDG said yesterday on Stickam, it's only for fun. You just take it too seriously. God, I find that boxxy shit way harder to stomach than this.

    lol, and Maria's Socionix avatar is just hypnotizing:

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    idk w/e

    Boxxy > Se-tisfaction
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    so true jake

    Nice asses, horrid movie. Guh.

    I hate Boxxy. I would much rather watch Boxxy.
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    This is an explosion of Si/Ne:



    We love this shit. See how comfortable it makes you? Controlled, wonderful environment. Just looking at Ian Anderson makes me happy.

    P.S.-This is only the first like 10 minutes of a 45-odd minute song I wish lasted all day. There's like a 6:08 version (complete) as well, but I just put up the first video of this guy I could find with this song.
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    Se/Ni.

    Things.
    Surfaces.
    Unexplained actual occurance.

    Ne/Si talks in riddles.
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    That song might just be too gamma for you, dolphin.
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    Actually, I like the song a lot. lol Fi/Te?
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    I'm being mean to you lol

    But idk.. The song seems.. very... idk... I really like the tune and the sound of the song, but I don't like the focus of the lyrics or the video.

    Probably aristocratic. Probably Beta.

    *Also, that first movie is a gamma explosion.
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    the satisfaction video is NOT Si/Ne.

    No.

    and your vid is interesting to me. idk Ive done enough socionics for the day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redbaron View Post
    I felt exactly the same about it.
    Likewise.

    I think a lot of the video is carried on Ne, though.

    Maybe that's why Yake doesn't like it

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    lol That's definitely the best way to get to an alpha NT. Brutally hammer out all forms of Fe, then uncomfortably destabalize Si. Ouch.. Sorry Jake, you brought it up.
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    No.

    That is not Ne, go away.

    Go the fuck away with that.

    How is any of that infantile/caregiver?

    C'mon tell me.

    No. Its not.
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    Icky, disgusting Se-valuing ew, thats what that is.
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    Well, because it's combining two totally opposite things to make something new and interesting.

    Business and dry statistics with sex and desire, combined together for MAXIMUM LULZ.

    Also, AvB is ESE. All his songs are about Fe, especially relationships. Also check out Above and Beyond, their lyrics have an internal monologue bent, and I think one of the guys is a SEI.

    Speaking of SEI, ATB

    Check out his vid "What About Us"

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    Si/Ne:

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    Si = men wearing lipstick?

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    So CUTE!!! (notice how Se/Ni isn't cute at all?)
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    Cute Ni.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coolanzon View Post
    Si = men wearing lipstick?
    now ur catching on!

    damnit gul i was thinking of kawaii for Ni. You bast.
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    That's so static I think I'll have to call it whatever the fuck you imagine the damn thing doing.

    Granted, I don't like it. I think it's actually Alpha, you Fe-seeking piece of Ne ENTp.

    Are you a car man, Gul?
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    The bottom line is that Si/Ne is abuot creating a comfortable environment.
    Se/Ni is about creating an explosive environment.
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    the bottom line is that dolphin hates me.
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    And that, yes.
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    ILE + LSE = talk - action
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