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    I'm pretty sure I'm a type 5 on the enneagram but less sure of my wing and stacking. When I was younger, I was more 6 wing-ish but now I'm starting to develop more of the 4-ish qualities so I wonder if my wing has shifted.

    Subtype stacking is also confusing. I'm not sure which one best fits me. I used to think so/sp/sx but interestingly enough, the opposite sx/sp/so fits just as well. I've considered all of them except sx/so/sp as my stacking at one point or another.

    Based on the wing and subtype stacking descriptions for 5's, which one do you think I best fit into, based on my posts on this forum?

    Five With a 4 Wing
    The difference between the 4 wing and the 6 wing in Fives is like the difference between Art and Science. 4 wing brings an abstract, intuitive cast of thought, as though the Five were thinking in geometric shapes instead of words or realistic images. May be talented artistically and inhabit moods like Fours do. Combine intellectual and emotional imagination. Enjoy the realm of philosophy and beautiful constructs of thought. The marriage of mental perspective and aesthetics is the best of life for them. When more defensive may seem a little ghostly, have a whisper in their voice. Fluctuate between impersonal withdrawal and bursts of friendly caring. Can get floaty and abstract. Act like they're inside a bubble, sometimes with an air of implicit superiority. Cliché of the "absentminded professor" applies especially to Fives with this wing. Environmentally sensitive and subject at times to total overwhelm. Touchy about criticism. Can be slow to recover from traumatic events. Melancholy isolation and bleak existential depression are possible pitfalls.





    Five With a 6 Wing
    The 6 wing brings an orientation to detail and technical knowledge, along with the tendency to think in logical sequence. Especially intellectual, far more analytical than Fives with a 4 wing. Can be loyal friends, offering strong behind-the-scenes support. Kind, patient teachers, skillful experts. May have a sense of mission and work hard. Sometimes project an aura of sensitive nerdiness and have clumsy social skills. When defensive, they can be unnerved by the expectations of others. May like people more but avoid them more. Especially sensitive to social indebtedness. Could have trouble saying "thank you." Fear of taking action, develop "information addiction" instead. Ask lots of questions but don't get around to the decision at hand. When more entranced, they develop a suspicious scrutiny of other people's motives but can also be blind followers. Misanthropic and Scrooge-like when defensive. More able to keep their feelings cut off in a constant way. Can be cold, skeptical, ironic, and disassociated. A Five's 6 wing can be phobic or counterphobic. Counterphobic 6 wing brings courage and antiauthoritarian attitudes. When defensive they may mock authority, or angrily tell others off. Tend to "push the envelope," experiment, find what the limits are.




    The Instinctual Stackings of Enneatype Five

    The self-preservational instinct is accentuated by the type Five fixation. The other two instincts are in opposition to the main type. When dominant, the social and sexual instincts therefore set up some degree of conflict with the dominant type Five fixation.

    Self-pres/Social

    In the average health range, this instinctual stacking is warm, friendly, and loyal. They need their down time and have no problem spending time alone. They actually value it very much. They feel an energy drain from people’s demands on them. This instinctual stacking is what is described in most Enneagram books. The most notable and potentially frustrating thing about people of this type is the difficulty involved in getting really close to them. While they can usually handle themselves socially, they always hold back when it comes to intensity or intimacy in a relationship which can frustrate a sexual variant type. Others are aware that there is more going on beneath the surface, but it can’t really be accessed. These Fives are masters at minimizing their needs. Even though they shy away from intense personal relationships they often have a lot of intuition about others. Their detached level of personal involvement somehow brings objectivity to their insights. They can be the most practical of the instinctual stackings.

    Their issues usually revolve around demands made on their time. This can become problematic in personal relationships. This subtype has an ideal vision of what a close or romantic relationship should be, but given their concerns for protecting their space and time and lacking the instinctual drive of a strong sexual instinct, energy just doesn’t flow in that direction. Because this subtype is good at minimizing their needs they can get along fine with few relationships or without a romantic partner. With the social instinct second in the stacking, they generally do find friends or colleagues and they may even be married, but the need to maintain their own time to pursue their interests is always a point of contention.



    Self-pres/Sexual


    This subtype, like the self-pres/social, is more typical of the depictions of type Five. The self-preservational instinct accentuates the self-contained, withdrawing tendencies of the Five. Fives of this subtype love their time alone with a passion, and pursue it more actively even than the other subtype of self-pres Five, although with the sexual instinct second, they often want to find time for intimates as well. On the down side, they have more disdain for people and little use for the social aspects of life. They want to be left alone or they want to share their inner world with their intimates. The intensity of the sexual instinct is reserved for their intimates and even there it is sporadic. The self-pres energy gives this subtype a solid foundation and some degree of practicality.

    These Fives are conflicted when it comes to experiencing and expressing emotions. They usually default to emotional repression and to detached intellectual analysis. This is a dynamic common to all Fives, but with the self-pres/sexual instinctual stacking, the balance of these forces is pretty precarious and it seems as though the scales are being constantly adjusted one way or another. As the social instinct is the least developed, the social arena gets the drier more intellectual approach almost by default.


    Social/Self-pres

    One might think that the energy of this subtype would be warmer and friendlier than that of the self-pres/social, but it doesn’t usually present that way. Because the social instinct is dominant, these Fives are much more aware of their role in the group. They are therefore more careful of their involvements with others. The social arena is more important and is invested with more energy, so these Fives will pull up faster and harder into self-pres mode if they should feel at all threatened. This will sometimes give others the impression of coldness. This subtype will center a lot of their intellectual interest around the workings of society, humanity or spirituality. This serves as their connection with people. By means of these abstract mental constructs, Fives of this subtype feel a sense of belonging socially, without having to be personally involved and invested. The healthier people of this subtype are, the more they are able to integrate their mental constructs with their actual experiences. They can really be content to adopt the role of “people watcher,” but they do it from a closer and closer perspective. Their blind spot revolves around the fact that they tend to convince themselves they can get along just fine in the observer role. It does feel safer to them. If they do have a few people relatively close to them, they can really strike a good balance between their need to withdraw and their need to connect to the larger social world.

    This subtype could be seen as the most intellectual of type Five. The combination of the basic desire for knowing with the social instinct’s need to "fit in," makes people of this subtype want to find a niche as the expert. Their interest in structure, especially social structure, accentuates their natural inclination for acquiring knowledge. With the sexual instinct least developed, this subtype is in the position of having a strong pull towards understanding the workings of the world around them, without the emotional intensity of the sexual instinct setting up any distraction. These Fives fit the role of the scientist or professor quite well in this respect.



    Social/Sexual

    When reasonably healthy, people of this subtype can be very engaging (for a Five). They smile a lot and are often friendly. Their energy is quite different from the social/self-pres subtype because both the social and sexual energies push outwards, and so partly balance out some of the withdrawing tendencies of the Five. This doesn’t mean that people of this subtype are necessarily any healthier however. The outgoing energy is not the result of true integration to Eight but is the result of the compulsive pull of the instincts. People of this subtype are usually warm and when feeling secure are likely to let people in and even to initiate contact. When they feel insecure however, they can actually go to the other extreme and be very shy. For this reason, people of this subtype could easily be mistyped; those Fives who withdraw from social contact because of feelings of insecurity, might not seem like social subtypes at all. It might not be obvious that they actually very much desire contact. For people of this subtype, the social instinct actually works as a release value for the sexual component. When relaxed and comfortable with others, the sexual instinct can easily be seen.


    People of this subtype are very aware of how they “fit in,” and also experience the sexual drive of wanting to connect with intimates. Like other social/sexual subtypes, they have the tendency to cultivate many relationships. They want to be liked by everyone, but being Fives they also tend to hold a part of themselves back for fear of rejection or of being overwhelmed by the demands of the relationship. This subtype of Five is more likely to fear rejection than the other subtypes of Five. Because both of the dominant instincts are focused on people, any failure in the realm of interpersonal relationships triggers a fear that there is no safety in the world. Personality systems like the Enneagram function as tool to help this subtype of Five to feel safe in the world. People of this subtype tend to think that the more they understand people, the less chance they have of being rejected. This tends to be a blind spot for people of this subtype as they don’t see that what will actually help them to become healthier is gaining more life experience. This will help them to see that their world will not come to an end with a little rejection.


    Sexual/Self-pres

    This subtype has a lot in common the self-pres/sexual instinctual stacking. They experience many of the same internal conflicts surrounding relationships, the need for independence and emotional expression. The sexual/self-pres subtype differs however in being more intense, more counterphobic. They entertain more dark nihilistic ideas, ideas that most others don’t want to consider.

    With this subtype, a lot of energy revolves around the issue of boundaries. Sexual/self-pres Fives tend to forge strong connections quickly and deeply, but if they feel betrayed, begin to feel overwhelmed, or if they feel that the connection doesn’t serve their true needs, can seem to cut the connection precipitously and “go cold.” They have high standards for significant others. They must feel that they can share their emotions with a significant other without being judged. This is their private world that they share. Relationships can be difficult, because individuals of this subtype will still want their own space and alone time, while at other times will want intense connection. Because the social instinct is least developed, this subtype is not very concerned with how others perceive them (except their intimates). This subtype is deceptive in that they may not seem to be especially intense - until they are engaged in a conversation they find interesting. Then the intensity and emotion become apparent. The internal struggle for this subtype is similar to that of the self-pres/sexual, but more energized and volatile, and getting to know this subtype means getting to know that.

    When unhealthy, the energy of the sexual instinct can combine with the dominant type Five fixation to create a very impulsive Eight-like anger. The strength of their convictions can then come out quite forcefully.

    Sexual/social

    This subtype is the most dramatic of the instinctual stackings of type Five. They are less concerned than the social/sexual subtype with social rejection, but take rejection from intimates very much to heart. They have a strong desire to express themselves, and can be the most Four-like of all the instinctual subtypes of type Five.

    Not only do they have a strong desire to merge with a significant other, they also want to make their mark in the larger social sphere. The intensity, aggression, counterphobic stance and desire to connect deeply, all combine with the social instinct to produce a highly charged personality. This subtype can become quite accomplished if they are able to form an intimate connection with someone who will help ground them and provide them with a feeling of security. When Fives of this subtype feel a sense of safety due to healthy intimate relationships, they will want to share whatever knowledge, talent or insight they may have.

    When unhealthy, this subtype can be very dark, pessimistic and the most confrontational of all the subtypes of Five. They can also become very arrogant.
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    I don't know you. we should be friends then I'll maybe have an opinion

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    Oh it was virtually impossible for me to decide between the wings as well. Both descriptions cover basically exactly the same stuff. It doesn't help that the descriptions aren't consistent from site to site either. w6s tend to be described as more logical, more strict, more grounded etc. while w4s are more whimsical and detached, as it says - you just have to decide which has generally described you best. I would say 5w6 based just on your posts, but that means little.

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    I'd go with 5w6 and not sx-first...probably sp/sx.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Subterranean View Post
    Oh it was virtually impossible for me to decide between the wings as well. Both descriptions cover basically exactly the same stuff. It doesn't help that the descriptions aren't consistent from site to site either. w6s tend to be described as more logical, more strict, more grounded etc. while w4s are more whimsical and detached, as it says - you just have to decide which has generally described you best. I would say 5w6 based just on your posts, but that means little.
    Welcome to the internet where anyone can write about anything no matter how incompetent they are. The way the descriptions are written you predictably get a lot of 5w6s that think they are 5w4s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MellowMarcello View Post
    I'd go with 5w6 and not sx-first...probably sp/sx.
    you know; you're also 5w6 sp/sx. because, after all, everyone is really just 5w6 sp/sx. even the people who aren't, because they really are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niffweed17 View Post
    you know; you're also 5w6 sp/sx. because, after all, everyone is really just 5w6 sp/sx. even the people who aren't, because they really are.
    That, I fail to see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tuturututu View Post
    That, I fail to see.
    it's because you're blind.

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    Actually most people regard me as an 8 who made his journey to E5.
    "I tell you: one must have chaos within oneself, to give birth to a dancing star." - F. W. Nietzsche

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    "Genius is a will-o'-the-wisp if it lacks a solid foundation of perseverence and fanatical tenacity. This is the most important thing in all of human life ..." - Adolf Hitler

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    I just discovered I am actually a 5.... I orginally thought I was an 8 or a 9w8... but I am sx/sp... thats describes me perfectly and explains the intensity and volitility I can have at times, I have my wing in 4 (much more likely than 6). As for my tritype, I have to figure that out now.... probably 5-4-8 or 5-4-1

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    sexual E5's are always a interesting companion to me, if we're talking about instinctual subtypes I have an excellent time with other sexuals or some socials. self protection people are always a problem for me, except when they're 4's.
    "I tell you: one must have chaos within oneself, to give birth to a dancing star." - F. W. Nietzsche

    "To what extent can truth endure incorporation? That is the question; that is the experiment." - F. W. Nietzsche

    "Genius is a will-o'-the-wisp if it lacks a solid foundation of perseverence and fanatical tenacity. This is the most important thing in all of human life ..." - Adolf Hitler

    "If freedom is short of weapons, we must compensate with willpower" - Adolf Hitler

    "Kindness is a mark of faith, and whoever hath not kindness hath not faith." - Prophet Mohammed

    "The hour of departure has arrived, and we go our ways — I to die, and you to live. Which is better God only knows" - Socrates


    - ESTp - Se subtype - 8w7 sx/so

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharrum View Post
    sexual E5's are always a interesting companion to me, if we're talking about instinctual subtypes I have an excellent time with other sexuals or some socials. self protection people are always a problem for me, except when they're 4's.
    whats the problem with sp?

    besides in the hiearchy of sx/sp/so

    Social Instincts serve the purpose of assisting Self-Preservation ends
    Self-Preservation ends serve the purpose of assisting Sexual ends
    Sexual Instinct is the top of the hierarchy.

    I am not so sure about what they say about E5 sp, they basically liken it to "isolation" and withdrawing, but I think that is an over generalization, I think they are overfocusing on the idea of E5 being secretive. I think they need to look at the entire picture to understand the E5's self-preservation instinct. The sp is more about securing the provisions nessicary to live a certain lifestyle... that lifestyle for a E5 sx/sp is an E5 with dominant SX and the sp works to secure the provisions nessicary to live that lifestyle... social needs only come in to play when provisions are required from society. That sounds like me because I don't go to university because I enjoy being in a community of thinkers, I only go to aqquire the provisions ("a degree") nessicary to provide for myself, and I only care about providing for myself in so far as it serves the purposes of living with excitement, intimacy, and intensity. I personally think sx/sp is rarer than sx/so or so/sx.... most sexual instinct types are paired with social, so they seek out excitement in their communities, I think the sx/sp has trouble because they are more individualistic and less about fitting into a group or social circle, but they are still intense like sx types. I tend to see alot more people that mimic the MO of sx/so or so/sx than sx/sp

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    Bump.

    I posted this a while back.

    I'm stumped on my stacking. I really have no idea at this point. So I'm hoping to get some feedback on that. Maybe post videos.
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    Videos removed.
    Last edited by The Exception; 04-14-2010 at 04:25 AM.
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    I want to say sp/so, but I can't be sure.
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    Warrior, I think I'm the opposite of you in many ways.

    I'm insecure socially but it's for the opposite reasons. I don't care *at all* what other people think enough, and probably both alpha and deltas have criticized me for this. I take and process everything subjectively so much that it's really hard for me to consider the other perspective.

    I don't compare myself to others *enough.*

    Your ability to question social norms I think is simply a sign of high intelligence, probably strong Ni and/or Ne. Or you're just meant to communicate via the written word.

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    I also posted these vids on an enneagram forum and there's a pretty strong consensus that my stacking is so/sp (with sp/so also possible).

    What I was surprised to find was that they were considering 2w1 as the heart part of the trifix. On enneagram tests, type 2 is usually way down on the bottom along with 8.

    They also suggested 9w1 as the gut part of the trifix which I think is right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by warrior-librarian View Post
    What I was surprised to find was that they were considering 2w1 as the heart part of the trifix. On enneagram tests, type 2 is usually way down on the bottom along with 8.

    They also suggested 9w1 as the gut part of the trifix which I think is right.
    yay typewatch!!

    I'll just say trifix is not about what you test as. It's about emotions and how you express them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by electric sheep View Post
    yay typewatch!!

    I'll just say trifix is not about what you test as. It's about emotions and how you express them.
    So how do these emotions and expressing them differ for each type? Where can I read more about it?
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    The Enneagram Blogspot: New to the Enneagram?

    There is also a more subtle element of the Enneagram personality theory called a "trifix." It basically states that your personality may be subtly influenced not only by your primary personality type, but also by two other personality types in the opposing triads. So if you are a type 4, which is in the Heart Triad, but you also identify strongly with the description of a type 6, which is in the Head Triad, and you notice yourself consistently acting much like a type 1, which is in the Instinctive Triad, then your trifix will be something like 4/6/1. Type 4 personality characteristics are your ego's "primary fixation" and type 6 personality characteristics are you ego's "co-fixation," while type 1 personality characteristics also provide a frame of mind for your ego to become fixated on.
    How the Enneagram Personality System Works

    In the Feeling Center, Twos attempt to control their shame by getting other people to like them and to think of them as good people. They also want to convince themselves that they are good, loving people by focusing on their positive feelings for others while repressing their negative feelings (such as anger and resentment at not being appreciated enough). As long as Twos can get positive emotional responses from others, they feel wanted and are able to control feelings of shame.

    Threes try to deny their shame, and are potentially the most out of touch with underlying feelings of inadequacy. Threes learn to cope with shame by trying to become what they believe a valuable, successful person is like. Thus, Threes learn to perform well, to be acceptable, even outstanding and are often driven relentlessly in their pursuit of success as a way of staving off feelings of shame and fears of failure.

    Fours attempt to control their shame by focusing on how unique and special their particular talents, feelings, and personal characteristics are. Fours highlight their individuality and creativity as a way of dealing with their shameful feelings, although Fours are the type most likely to succumb to feelings of inadequacy. Fours also manage their shame by cultivating a rich, romantic fantasy life in which they do not have to deal with whatever in their life seems drab or uninteresting to them.
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    I think a 5 with a 4 fix would be like a super outsider/contrarian that's just plain smarter than everyone else. Haughty intellectual?
    a 5 with a 3 fix would be like a super achieving scientist that wants to discover the most amazing thing ever. Mad scientist?
    a 5 with a 2 fix? Probably your classic super helpful nerd. Would make an excellent librarian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by electric sheep View Post
    a 5 with a 2 fix? Probably your classic super helpful nerd. Would make an excellent librarian.
    Are you trying to hint at something here. :wink:
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    bwahaha maybe. I guess we'll never know
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