Inter-quadra relations: Accepting vs Producing subtypes

[JuJu]

Socionics' hypothesis is that relations are best within one's own quadra.

I find it to be true, in my own experience.

Lately however, as I've begun to understand more about subtypes... I realize that intertype relations, even w/in quadra, can have varying degrees of comfort.

For example: almost ALL of my best friends are producing subtype betas... My best friends are fe-infp and se-istj... (my older bro, ti-estp, is one of my best friends as well.) These ppl seem to understand me clearly, without any strain on either of our parts.


I have more strained relationships with se-estps and ni-infps... (not so much with the accepting subtype of my dual, ti-istj.)


Can anyone else speak to this..?

[1981slater]

To me, spending time with alphas is wonderful. When I meet for first ever this kind of people relationships start quickly and are amazingly satisfying.

Alphas live in a different world. Their sick quest for comfort turns me off. Interacting with them is really boring.

[JuJu]

Cool... Yeah, that's my experience too, except w/ beta:

I find the accepting subtype betas to be much more 'traditional,' if that makes any sense... A lot of the producing subtype betas are counter-culture in one way or another, (not that accepting subtypes aren't counter-culture--just that, in my experience, it's a different, more straight-forward manifestation of it...) Sense of humor also seems slightly different... to me, less is 'off-limits' with producing subtype betas, (i wonder their opinions on this.)

What's strange though, is I find the opposing subtype helps relations with identicals... Relations with Fe-ENFjs are much less boring than relations w/ other Ni-ENFjs b/c they have enough of a different focus to make the conversations interesting and eye-opening... Whereas conversations w Ni-ENFjs usually just seem like shitty monologues i have in my head.

i've found that as a producing subtype beta, w/ accepting subtype betas, relationships take a little while to 'warm up'--whereas relationships w/ producing subtypes are warmed up immediately.

[strrrng]

I haven't observed this one bit. Firstly, there don't seem to be any traits that are intrinsically derived from being an "accepting" or "producing" subtype; those terms are just descriptors augusta used to better structure the model. The general notion that your leading function will be the most receptive, with the auxiliary working as a support/filter, is sort of obvious to anyone with a rudimentary type understanding; so, inflating the terms assigned to the functions and generating a bunch of overly-specific traits based off of them, is just wrong. And I can't see what would differentiate an accepting subtype from a producing subtype (aside from functions). Like, are there any traits that actually describe that dichotomy? I doubt it.

I find the accepting subtype betas to be much more 'traditional,' if that makes any sense... A lot of the producing subtype betas are counter-culture in one way or another, (not that accepting subtypes aren't counter-culture--just that, in my experience, it's a different, more straight-forward manifestation of it...) Sense of humor also seems slightly different... to me, less is 'off-limits' with producing subtype betas, (i wonder their opinions on this.)

I haven't observed this at all, nor could I think of a justification for such a claim one way or the other.

[Jarno]

Can anyone else speak to this..?

Yes, I have noticed that too.

It seems correct that same subtypes share a common (undescribable) feeling, yet I'm curious whether it falls into the same catagory as having a person next to you who wears a blue sweater and you yourself wearing a blue sweater too.

I hope you get what I mean. It's just, you recognize that they are they same 'kind' but maybe it's just the same effect as for example 2 bold people who share boldness and therefor like eachother.

[JuJu]

bla blah

are you purposely responding to shit i didn't denote or even connote..? (i.e. how all producing or accepting subtypes act... this post is not about that, despite your response.)

you jumped about three steps ahead of anything i wrote and essentially responded to your own imagination, Nick.

... i am writing how I perceive the types/subtypes in my own experience, and am wondering if others perceive them similarly... others say "yes," you say "no..."

i think we may just be talkin apples and oranges here, e.g. you still think gilly is entp in socionics, etc... i think maybe we can't relate re: this stuff anymore (for reasons known only to you, btw.)

[JuJu]

what i'm saying re: "counter-culture" is just HOW I PERCEIVE IT, i.e. in my relationships with other betas I KNOW... I'm not saying it's a hard and fast rule, or even a rule at all... just among PPL I KNOW, this is how it plays out for whatever reason... my PERCEPTION. Like slater, I'm sharing my fucking perception

holy fuck, i wish ppl would read EVERYTHING I WRITE so i don't need to repeat myself again and again

[JuJu]

ok that is fair

[strrrng]

are you purposely responding to shit i didn't denote or even connote..? (i.e. how all producing or accepting subtypes act... this post is not about that, despite your response.)

No. I simply stated that I hadn't observed it at all in my experience. The criticism was of the idea of accepting/producing subtypes affecting anything -- let alone existing as a real phenomenon -- in the first place (I believe in subtypes, but "accepting/producing" is a vacuous descriptor). I wasn't trying to criticize your experience.

[redbaron]

all I've noticed is that I do enjoy INFp-Fe subs more than INFp-Ni subs for exactly the reason you described. They give a new twist and it's less like talking to myself.

[717495]

I'd rather not chose to dislike a certain type just because of people I've met, even people on this forum. Some people are just complete bitches, if you catch my drift. I'm sure I'd like any non-bitch, anytime.

[JuJu]

I'd rather not chose to dislike a certain type just because of people I've met, even people on this forum. Some people are just complete bitches, if you catch my drift. I'm sure I'd like any non-bitch, anytime.

LOL!! well-put... this should be socionics' warning label

[Creepy-male]

mn0: excitingly psychotic ILE.
schoolfriend: exciting ILE
hkkmr: psychotic ILE
1981slater: needs to be female and in Australia

[1981slater]

Feedback: unless my subtype (Ti) is wrong, I'd like to say talking to an identical can be very pleasant, specially if it is much older/younger than you. I don't know many ILEs Ti so when I find one I think "Oh, we are so like-minded, I don't believe it".

ILEs Ne and all alphas NeSi have different goals (if they have any) in life and I can't develop a solid relationship with them.

[Binky]

ISTp-Si, ISTp-Si

Two mentions for Si-ISTps and not one for Te subs?

DeAnte must be hurt.

[717495]

I think everyone likes producing subtypes more. It's called survival of the fittest.

[The Exception]

I think everyone likes producing subtypes more. It's called survival of the fittest.

I seem to favor the producing subtype for most of the socionics types FWIW.

[JuJu]

I think everyone likes producing subtypes more. It's called survival of the fittest.

LOL!!

My little bro, Ni-INFp, favors Se-ESTps and Ti-ISTjs (those are his two best friends, anyway...)

I'm not sure that my little bro is representative of all Accepting subtypes, but I imagine that most accepting subtypes have an easier time relating w/ other accepting subtypes--just as I, as a producing subtype, have an easier time relating w/ other producing subtypes.

[crazedrat]

I've vaguely noticed the trend; mostly within my own quadra, but the further away things get from identical / duality the more the trend becomes boggled and meaningless