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    Poetry is just the evidence of life. If your life is burning well, poetry is just the ash. - Leonard Cohen

    The last refuge of the insomniac is a sense of superiority to the sleeping world. - Leonard Cohen

    When you stop thinking about yourself all the time, a certain sense of repose overtakes you.

    There is a crack in everything, that's how the light gets in.

    I don't really understand that process called reincarnation but if there is such a thing I'd like to come back as my daughter's dog.

    I am an old scholar, better-looking now than when I was young. That's what sitting on your ass does to your face.

    The term clinical depression finds its way into too many conversations these days. One has a sense that a catastrophe has occurred in the psychic landscape.

    Prayer is translation. A man translates himself into a child asking for all there is in a language he has barely mastered.

    Act the way you'd like to be and soon you'll be the way you act.

    I don't consider myself a pessimist. I think of a pessimist as someone who is waiting for it to rain. And I feel soaked to the skin.

    Any startling piece of work has a subversive element in it, a delicious element often. Subversion is only disagreeable when it manifests in political or social activity.

    My sense of proprietorship has been so weak that actually I didn't pay attention and I lost the copyrights on a lot of the songs.

    As a young man, Yeats spoke to me in a way I could understand. Shakespeare I couldn't understand, but Yeats I could. It was his subject matter and also I really admired the way he put his personal life on the line.

    Most of the time one is discouraged by the work, but now and again by some grace something stands out and invites you to work on it, to elaborate it or animate it in some way. It's a mysterious process.
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    The most blatant Ni-INFp I've seen on here in awhile.

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    looks like dustin hoffman.
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    I see him as INTj Ti
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    Quote Originally Posted by JuJu View Post
    The most blatant Ni-INFp I've seen on here in awhile.
    I have to concur with INFp, but he's a quite well rounded person so I find it not all that easy to decide between IEI and other options like ILI.

    This interview may be enlightening, especially the last minute or so:
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    i hit ragnars post constructive by accident though it may very well be, lol, haven't watched the video yet.

    might as well bump now. sensitive song writer dude stereotypical infp but is that right? i just found him and I'm entering the infatuation phase.

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    googling gave me infp, intp, infj
    (and the odd estj on socionics.com, lol)

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    started to watch the video ragnar posted.
    got frustrated with his. very. slow. manner of.... speaking. with, uh *clears throat* .. so. many. pauses.
    scrolled to the last minute or so and became interested.
    scrolled to the middle, hoping he'd loosened up some and his speaking style would have been more tolerable by then.
    shit.

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    Fi-INFj

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    Quote Originally Posted by ragnar View Post
    I have to concur with INFp, but he's a quite well rounded person so I find it not all that easy to decide between IEI and other options like ILI.

    This interview may be enlightening, especially the last minute or so:
    How awkward
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    INXj

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    Has the same sort of subdued muttering quality I get from Sp IJs. Sp/So sounds right to me.
    "And above all, watch with glittering eyes the whole world around you because the greatest secrets are always hidden in the most unlikely places. Those who don't believe in magic will never find it." -Roald Dahl

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    I saw him in concert in 2011. I would say an IP temperment. Like ragnar said, a toss up between INFp and INTp. I could see him as the right hand of some ESFp (haha, "science").
    Cohen often changed his mind during the show about his set, his songs contain narratives involving multiple characters and points of view, that really have no conclusion; he seemed like a diplomatic guy, but also very private; his musical style is non conventional and contains lots of different rythms. He moved so slow and soft on stage. My gut says he is an irrational type.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wacey View Post
    I saw him in concert in 2011. I would say an IP temperment. Like Gilly said, a toss up between INFp and INTp. I could see him as the right hand of some ESFp (haha, "science").
    Cohen often changed his mind during the show about his set, his songs contain narratives involving multiple characters and points of view, that really have no conclusion; he seemed like a diplomatic guy, but also very private; his musical style is non conventional and contains lots of different rythms. He moved so slow and soft on stage. My gut says he is an irrational type.
    I didn't give any type for him. He seems introverted, probably Judicious.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    I didn't give any type for him. He seems introverted, probably Judicious.
    Edited, thanks, you were quoting ragnar I see.

    I can see the Judicious nature in Cohen, but I wouldn't that use reinen quality alone, because it is too broad and undefined to begin with. If eight types are judicious, then it is not saying anything really specific about the sociotype. Which I guess you are saying anyway. I agree on the introverted.

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    I'm saying he seems Si/Ne > Se/Ni.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galen View Post
    Has the same sort of subdued muttering quality I get from Sp IJs.
    for the record i am not like that. its torturous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wacey View Post
    I can see the Judicious nature in Cohen, but I wouldn't that use reinen quality alone, because it is too broad and undefined to begin with. If eight types are judicious, then it is not saying anything really specific about the sociotype. Which I guess you are saying anyway. I agree on the introverted.
    if he's already introverted then it narrows it down from eight types to four.

    he's pretty obviously introverted. i thought ip from his lyrical style but then seeing him in that interview he looked ij.

    i'm inclined at this point to say infj but i'm not really convinced enough for it to be very satisfying. just smashing opinions together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    for the record i am not like that. its torturous.
    I'm like that. I think it has a lot to do with having a firm grasp on the intended conceptual meaning. And when I share the ideas which form the meaning, what I speak ends up sounding trivial w/o their full intended context. That's why speaking and trying to define it all can be so jumbled. I don't think in words so it's hard matching ideas with words. This is especially noticeable when put on the spot, because I then try to think in words (you know something communicable) and nothing happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lungs View Post
    if he's already introverted then it narrows it down from eight types to four.

    he's pretty obviously introverted. i thought ip from his lyrical style but then seeing him in that interview he looked ij.

    i'm inclined at this point to say infj but i'm not really convinced enough for it to be very satisfying. just smashing opinions together.
    I thought INFp for the lyrical meandering, reflective quality of his songs, which are very "time" centered (focused on the sequence of events and their histories of the characters). I would say his music lyrics comes from a Ni, introverted intuitive kind of place.

    Okay, so thats his music. The interview is difficult because like others said he seems very well balanced individual, so this makes it difficult to grab onto sociotype traits as it were. I am seeing the IJ temperment from the interview, which did not come across when I saw him in concert. Maybe because live shows, one would have to be more irrational and go with the flow, relying more on the moment.

    I can see the valuing on Te as well. In the start of the interview, Cohen says he worries about the plumbing, electricity ext of his house when its not occupied.
    "If this to end in fire, then we should all burn together. Watch the flames climb higher into the night."

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    I would add one more Reinen dicotomy: constructivist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wacey View Post
    lyrical meandering, reflective quality of his songs, which are very "time" centered (focused on the sequence of events and their histories of the characters).

    I can see the valuing on Te as well. In the start of the interview, Cohen says he worries about the plumbing, electricity ext of his house when its not occupied.
    Blasted be another INTp. Bop him on the head!

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    Quote Originally Posted by polikujm View Post
    Blasted be another INTp. Bop him on the head!
    Whoo me? or Cohen. Because like i said before, my applying what I have read with my gut suspicions for Cohen I would say ILI. Others are making a case for EII though.

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    Forget INFj. It's been made crystal clear.

    http://www.socionics.com/prof/intp.htm
    When INTps speak publicly they habitually adopt a slow, monotone speech pattern. This may have a sleep inducing hypnotic effect on their audience...
    INTps may check that all home appliances are off many times before leaving.

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    @polikujm, this is opening a whole new area for me, thanks. Somewhere along the way typing becomes a real hobby.

    Haha, the type descriptions are funny sometimes. Cohen seems to sing in one key, one or two notes. His music is more like spoken poetry. I think, why not an ILI become a famous musical artist? So in my view: irrational, constructivist, Ni base or creative. But I can see what people mean when they say IJ temperament. I am just not sold on INFj, soley for lack of a better type.

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    SLI-Si leaning on 3w4 sp/sx

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    I think he is LSE-Si.

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