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    Imagine a rotating cube in your head. Do you see this movement as one fluid, continuous motion or more as choppy, static images?

    My theory is that this relates to the static/dynamic dichotomy or to the rational/irrational dichotomy.

    Tell me your results. (For me, I see the cube moving in terms of static images; I tend to see the cube more clearly at specific points throughout the rotation - namely, the starting and ending points.)

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    EDIT: Another example would be a pitcher throwing a baseball at you and you hitting the ball he/she throws. Do you see the whole scenario like a fluid, continuous movie playing in your head or more like through specific frames?
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    I try to, but then it does weird things like changing colours or sprouting fins.

    Does that count?

    EDIT

    I can animate things in my head if I go completely Zen and lock onto them without focusing. But I do have experience watching my CEVs closely, so that could skew the results.

    CEV. I'm naturally at level 3, but what I described seems to be to level 4.

    Sorry to threadjack, but I wonder how your theory applies to CEVs. Secondary question... don't listen to me, listen to jason

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    I can see it spinning, not freezing in frames. But it also occurred to me that sometimes in rolling images in the mind things freeze when examining them or when you want to remind yourself how they look or something.

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    I see it as choppy images and not very detailed... but I doubt that this is type-related.
    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph Stromberg
    Let's stop using this outdated measure - which has about as much scientific validity as your astrological sign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    I see it as choppy images and not very detailed... but I doubt that this is type-related.
    If something such as the fluidity of one's motor movements can be type-related, why can't this be? There doesn't have to be a perfect correlation. (Of course, you're entitled to your opinion. I'm just not very fond of skeptics coming in and shooting down my theory before a decent number of people respond.)

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    Are you actually telling me that some people can't imagine a cube rotating fluidly? fwiw, I can and it was a rubix cube. Hell, I can also do it with a package since I routinely spin those b's in my hands searching for labels. Anything you've seen or done I feel like you should be able to picture happening in your head. You already know what it looks like!
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    Well I'm a dynamic type and I see static images, so that can't be right.

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    Are you actually telling me that some people can't imagine a cube rotating fluidly? fwiw, I can and it was a rubix cube. Hell, I can also do it with a package since I routinely spin those b's in my hands searching for labels. Anything you've seen or done I feel like you should be able to picture happening in your head. You already know what it looks like!
    Nah, I only see the images very vaguely. It's not even in color, which sucks. I think that some people are better at this than others. Isn't this one of the ways how you measure your IQ? Like rotating objects in your head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    Nah, I only see the images very vaguely. It's not even in color, which sucks. I think that some people are better at this than others. Isn't this one of the ways how you measure your IQ? Like rotating objects in your head.
    I'm a pretty badass visualizer. And I do remember in IQ tests where they ask questions like that. I don't exactly see how that would mean someone was smarter than someone else having trouble with it, as I'm not that good at a ton of things that I think are brilliant in other people. :tongue:
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    "The way you visualize things"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allie View Post
    I can't visualize things at all, really. I can only think of them. You tell me to imagine a spinning cube, I'll probably nod and take into account everything you're describing me. The descriptions build a sort of “image” I guess, but I don't see any image. I only know of what it's supposed to be like and how whatever you're describing will immediately affect other things.
    Yeah, I'm pretty similar. I kind of build mental impressions. It's kind of a discussion of semiotics, I think. Somebody uses a signifier, and our signified is not an image. Though I don't really think of how it will affect other things, but somebody says something and I automatically kind of have an immediate understanding of what it is they mean then my brain builds an instinctive array of layers of meaning and associated things.

    In any case, I can sort of draw up an image of a cube if I put my music on and focus, but I cannot for the life of me make it move, lol.

    Oh, wait. I lied. I just turned it into a cardboard box and imagined someone turning it. But I still can't do it independently, lol.
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    I visualize things as fluid.

    Visualizing a cube is difficult, it seems too abstract. Or maybe it's just case of trying to visiualize something on command, opposed to things coming randomly out of my imagination.
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    I see them in static, choppy images.
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    It's choppy, but with so many clips that it's almost fluid. Like a flip book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    It's choppy, but with so many clips that it's almost fluid. Like a flip book.
    This is closer to what I was trying to say. It is sort of like a flip book for me as well.
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    I see it as rotating fluidly. But I think that "the way I visualize" is very similar to this (especially the first and last part):

    Quote Originally Posted by hkkmr View Post
    I visualize things like mechanisms which work against each other. Expansion, contraction, branching, these are my principle visualizations.

    I don't really rotate it or what, since in my imagination everything now is transparent. So rotating is one of the things that has gotten harder for me as I've gotten older.

    I don't imagine physical things as they "are" in the world, but more abstract representations of them, perhaps even idealized but I don't take them as real. Suffice it to say, sometimes I miss individuality of things.

    The most important thing about visualization for me isn't really what I see but mostly what I don't see but absolutely must be there for the mechanism to function. This is one of the technique I use in problem solving. I try to visualize as much of the mechanism of the problem as possible and where there is a black spot, there is a potential problem.
    Mostly when I'm alone and trying to solve problems. However, when I speak with other people, I always have images in my head of what I am describing, they pop out much more quickly than the words themselves.
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    I'm really visual and see both as smooth. However, I am very bad at math, so if you were to ask me one of those SAT questions having to do with rotating an object, I would probably get it wrong. But I do have a general picture of a cube rotating smoothly.

    However, if it were something less to do w/ math, let's say a horse spinning around, or a face, I would still see it smoothly, but the perspective would make more sense.

    I would bet that more guys would see it as a choppy image (or have the ability to freeze frame it with the perspective of the cube still being correct), since I think more testosterone is suppose to help on spacial tasks...seeing it as a freeze frame would let someone answer those SAT questions better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diana View Post
    Why not just freeze it wherever you want to then?
    Because you don't have a refrigerator.
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    A spinning cube...uh I can picture it but for some reason I'm picturing it centered in the middle of my physical brain, spinning kind of sloppily. Then it turns into that old windows screensaver with the colored cube that has ovals and spikes come out of it and stuff.

    So my answer is it's kind half choppy/half smooth, and won't stay the same object.
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    You didn't specify a color for the cube, so I chose black. I see a cube, spinning smoothly. I can smoothly rotate it any direction and stop it whenever I want.

    I think it's interesting that people are seeing a choppily spinning cube, or the cube changes shapes. I never would have thought there was variation on such a thing.

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