Type my functions - xerx's type

[xerx]

In lieu of a type me thread, tell me which functions you read into my posts.

Thanks.

[717495]

What's the function where you're good at explaining facts of a system? Is that ?

I remember in the + - thread you were explaining that stuff to me, and that's the only time I remember talking to you. ?

[Logos]

In lieu of a type me thread, tell me which functions you read into my posts.

Thanks.

Read into or read out of your posts?

[xerx]

Read into or read out of your posts?

For my purposes they're equivalent, since reading out would necessarily involve some interpretative reading into.

What's the function where you're good at explaining facts of a system? Is that ?

That's more closely associated with .

[717495]

Ah ok. I'd say you have that pretty strongly, and I'm not sure about the other functions. Couldn't tell you for certain if you're S or N right now, but if I had to guess I'd say you have .

[ArchonAlarion]

I see the Ne and Ti.

[Mediator Kam]

I see sheer love exuding from every pore.

[Creepy-male]

I see sheer love exuding from every pore.

+1

Favourite poster...

After Brilliand

[munenori2]

In Austrailia, Brilliand is bigger than Bono.

[marooned]

In addition to the strong logic, I see a liking of .

[xerx]

I see the Ne and Ti.

What do you see that's Ne and Ti?

In addition to the strong logic, I see a liking of .

I see good use of both Ti and Te. Nothing else really leaps out of your writing at me that I recall (I'd have to reread a bunch of posts to see if anything else stands out.) But nice clear logic is apparent, and to me seems natural to your writing.

I've used that in the past but don't want to use it as a criterion anymore. I know lots of SFs and NFs with what seems like a very strong ability to interpret causal connections, which is often reminiscent of strong Ti or Te.

[ArchonAlarion]

In our discussion in my Ne/Si analogy thread the way you described things resonated with me and I could see quite clearly your use of "nugget" like abstractions that seemed interchangeable or Module.

And I appreciated your aggressive Ti style.

I could find specific examples if you like though.

[marooned]

I know lots of SFs and NFs with what seems like a very strong ability to interpret causal connections, which is often reminiscent of strong Ti or Te.

Do they share the endurance with it you demonstrate? Do they simultaneously demonstrate strong Fe/Fi? (I mentioned the last thing because you seem to show more "logic" than "ethics".)

[xerx]

Do they share the endurance with it you demonstrate? Do they simultaneously demonstrate strong Fe/Fi? (I mentioned the last thing because you seem to show more "logic" than "ethics".)

What if for all anyone knows (and for all I know) I'm a beta NF, with the will and endurance to put on such a show?

In our discussion in my Ne/Si analogy thread the way you described things resonated with me and I could see quite clearly your use of "nugget" like abstractions that seemed interchangeable or Module.

And I appreciated your aggressive Ti style.

Hypothetically speaking, if I didn't appreciate your style, would that still make us identicals?

[ArchonAlarion]

Maybe, depends why and how so. If you think I'm wrong about stuff, then its not style. If you dislike my various antics, that could be style, but might also be unrelated to type.

So decide what you will.

[xerx]

Maybe, depends why and how so. If you think I'm wrong about stuff, then its not style. If you dislike my various antics, that could be style, but might also be unrelated to type.

So decide what you will.

I was just checking to see if you were typing me solely by that.

[ArchonAlarion]

Nah, I was typing mainly on how you described the elements and your general demeanor. I do see similarities in style though, the difference being a level of maturity, which I unfortunately lack.

[anndelise]

I've never actually sat down to study you or anything.
With that in mind, the few times I've scanned some of your posts, I've left with a sense that your comfortable dealing with abstract ideas as well as attempting to make them explicit. (T)

You've never seemed to me to be struggling with trying to make something inside of you more explicit. (which is something an NF/SF would be struggling with..so it doesn't seem to be T HA to me, either).

I also don't recall any posts that dealt with sensory based information. You've seemed more comfortable with abstract information, to me.

I've always left your posts with the assumption that it was written by an NT.

Beyond that, I can't say anything else, heh.

So I guess I can't really say which specific functions have stood out to me, other than Nx + Tx (in no particular order).

[xerx]

I've never actually sat down to study you or anything.
With that in mind, the few times I've scanned some of your posts, I've left with a sense that your comfortable dealing with abstract ideas as well as attempting to make them explicit. (T)

You've never seemed to me to be struggling with trying to make something inside of you more explicit. (which is something an NF/SF would be struggling with..so it doesn't seem to be T HA to me, either).

I also don't recall any posts that dealt with sensory based information. You've seemed more comfortable with abstract information, to me.

I've always left your posts with the assumption that it was written by an NT.

Beyond that, I can't say anything else, heh.

So I guess I can't really say which specific functions have stood out to me, other than Nx + Tx (in no particular order).

Thanks that was a very insightful post and pretty much agrees with my prior observations. Some irrational NT is what I've thought for 99% of the time I've been studying socionics, and what I've identified with most of my life, but it's always a toss up between ILE and ILI.

I'm familiar with all systems that define quadra values and I have to say I'm probably alpha according to all of them, even the ones that contradict each other. But I'd rather reserve judgment on that because I'm skeptical of the notion of quadra values.

I'm strong in Ne, Ni, Te and Ti, and I'm a P overall. I identify a lot more with Rick's stuff on Ne-leading than most things about Ni-leading I've ever seen, but I think I still have some introverted-intuitive traits that I don't really understand.

[anndelise]

I'm strong in Ne, Ni, Te and Ti, and I'm a P overall. I identify a lot more with Rick's stuff on Ne-leading than most things about Ni-leading I've ever seen, but I think I still have some introverted-intuitive traits that I don't really understand.

I'm not too familiar with this, but I do remember reading something Rick had written about the 8th function driving the 1st function.
Like, I can see how Fe can drive Ne/Se into action for XeFi.
so something similar would be happening with Ni for TiNe.
Perhaps you might want to try looking for this and see if that might cover those introverted-intuitive traits of yourself?

Although, lol, Ti would be the driver for NiTe, so you might still wind up just as unsure as when you started.
Anyways, just a thought.

[xerx]

Although, lol, Ti would be the driver for NiTe, so you might still wind up just as unsure as when you started.
Anyways, just a thought.

Yes, precisely.

Nah, I was typing mainly on how you described the elements and your general demeanor. I do see similarities in style though, the difference being a level of maturity, which I unfortunately lack.

You're really not helping me make a case for Ne dominant.

[xerx]

Heh? Wth are you talking about?

Didn't you want evidence of you being Ne? I was showing you the difference between Ni and Ne writing...

How am I derailing the thread?

You're derailing the thread because you're trying to convince me you're a certain type in order to draw a subjective similarity between us. Two things 1) this is my type thread, not yours, and 2) I can't waste my time hearing a case as subjective as yours. If you can't level more specific arguments about me without comparing me to you, then I don't really care what you have to say.

Your only statement in that vein so far was the "module" thing, and it's not even an argument because you've provided no proof, just a statement that my writing satisfies some rather trite and subjective criteria of being "modular."


I'm asking the mods to move sections of this thread to alternative theories btw.

No, why? I mean they (imo) value Ne and will therefore not write in the way Strrrng does, but I've found they (online for Ezra and Expat, both online and irl for Tom) write in a way that I'd consider dynamic.

You'll have to elaborate on this.

Personal system or abstraction? I'm saying that his abstractions are subjective, the metaphors he uses are chosen for personal meaning and relevence to the reader and himself. The phrases are overtly symbolic, objects have a special abstract relationship to the observer. His words are universal, they do not apply to a specific physical setting like Si would.

Sort of like your Si/Ne analogy, your modular analogy and most other analogies I've heard you make about socionics?

Yeah so can I, but they're not meant to be. In the Ni mind you should just see the intrinsic "soul" or "essense" attached to the context and leave it at that. The cutting up of the cloudy Ni into discrete conceptual frames or "nodes" (Ne) will annoy the Ni/Se. Your supposed to just see the symbolism as it is and not try and explain by some physical interaction of molecules. Ni-ers hate it when you steal their magic and explain it away with "science" (I'm speaking in general, simple terms). When you chop up their Ni into Ne bits that will fit with an Si outlook of a physical, direct, tangible (demonstrable) context (setting, environment, realm), instead of a thematic, symbolic, spiritual(?) one, they get pissed.

That's true, but what you're describing doesn't directly manifest in writing or behaviour.

More concrete than Te subs? No. The "concrete-abstract" scale traditionally goes:

Concrete <-----------------> Abstract
Se, Te, Ti, Si, Ne, Fe, Fi, Ni

Imo, Si is the least concrete, concrete element. Its subjective and dynamic, so to me Si is kind of abstract.

According to that, it's still much more concrete than Ni.

And INFp's dont have that module style. They take specific concrete objects (Se) and imbue them with subjective abstract meanings/relevence. They do not see the purpose of organizing the conceptual properties that make up an object, they'd rather find symbolic meaning based on the surface qualities of the thing in question.

Glam and starfall have a modular style, because their posts are clear and mature. Modify your linguistic hypothesis a little better and look for a lot of examples, then come back.

Strong in Ne? Well I think they use Ne when perceiving object statics, instead of Se

This part is the most interesting thing you've said so far. It's extremely interesting because it's the alternate possibility to Model A NT/SF/ST/NF clubs. According to that, an ILE has a strong awareness of object dynamics because of Te > Fe, and strong awareness of dynamic fields because of Ni > Si.


btw, I'll be gone for the rest of the weekend. I'll check back then.

[xerx]

Jxrtes, your ideas and analyses always seem to be so well considered and thought out and are clear to me and easy to follow and I honestly think that you're one of the most intelligent, sensible, knowledgable and modest posters on this forum. I want you in my quadra. Putting all of that aside, I genuinely think that you're adept at using both Ti and Te but that you prefer Ti and I also believe that you're an intuitive type who values Si and Ne. ILE it is.

You forgot that my beauty is the physical embodiment of the Greek god Apollo. Other than that trifle, I think you were a little too modest in your description of my abilities.

[xerx]

You forgot to mention that you payed me $20 to say all of that crap.

erm... incidentally, I don't have any money to pay you right now on account of several expenses. I'm sorry if I gave you the impression this would ever be done. Our e-bay contract never stipulated that I had to physically send you the money.

[xerx]

There are things about myself about which I haven't been entirely forthright with the forum. I think this typing merits some consideration, since I tend to identify with ISFp more on a spiritual level than I do ENTp. The intertypes wouldn't be that different, though it's not as if I'm old enough to have had profound experience in this area. Please, don't think this is a joke; I don't find this place very funny anymore. I'm being entirely serious and not at all facetious, and I would appreciate any input you could give.

[crazedrat]

no

[Ezra]

No SEI advises that Carthage must be destroyed.

[ArchonAlarion]

There are things about myself about which I haven't been entirely forthright with the forum. I think this typing merits some consideration, since I tend to identify with ISFp more on a spiritual level than I do ENTp. The intertypes wouldn't be that different, though it's not as if I'm old enough to have had profound experience in this area. Please, don't think this is a joke; I don't find this place very funny anymore. I'm being entirely serious and not at all facetious, and I would appreciate any input you could give.

You're too overtly asbtract and logically forceful, for me to seriously consider ISFp. The confidence you express with definitions and explanations/analysis, would be odd coming from an ISFp, and I don't really find the idea attractive.

[Creepy-male]

You're too overtly asbtract and logically forceful, for me to seriously consider ISFp. The confidence you express with definitions and explanations/analysis, would be odd coming from an ISFp, and I don't really find the idea attractive.

What about Kam? In terms of being logically forceful, I think he has that.

[ArchonAlarion]

What about Kam? In terms of being logically forceful, I think he has that.

No, not really Not in the same consistent and involved way.

[xerx]

OMG aren't I the cutest pudgy little thing? (^_^)

[Marie84]

awww you were indeed a cute little guy :redface:

idk, Alpha NT?

[Crispy]

You have limes in your eyes. VI isn't amused.

[xerx]

awww you were indeed a cute little guy :redface:

Thanks. I'm still a cute little guy.

You have limes in your eyes. VI isn't amused.

I remember they were binoculars.

[1981slater]

Ti-ENTp!!!

[Rubicon]

awwwwww