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    Should the education system use Socionics as guideline

    Create different classrooms and topics for each type

    Seperate them in this manner
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    NP Classroom - Flexible class with little structure, teach things visually and introduce interesting theories
    SP Classroom - Little structure, teach practical things in a hands on manner
    SJ Classroom - Basically teach these students in the same manner they do now
    NJ Classroom - Emphasize complex theories and structure

    Okay, I know this is like segregation, but it is just a whacky idea and I want to know what you guys think of it. Anyways, they have segregation already by putting levels for each grade.

    Can this work if implemented, or are there too many problems?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Young_and_Confused
    NP Classroom - Flexible class with little structure, teach things visually and introduce interesting theories
    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    Give me that SP or NJ classroom instead. I simply cannot learn visually. At all. Never works out. I'd fail dismally. (This has been tried, when a teacher switched methods to accomodate the visual learners that made up the rest of the class. I didn't fail dismally but my marks slipped from the 90-100 range to the 50-60 range).

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    Is the above post an example of weak ?

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    I'm sure some Se types are good visual learners, so no.

    I'd rather have a classroom which requires as little group participation as possible. If I could teach myself, that would be great.
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    The perfect classroom for me would be one where there are no deadlines. I pretty much set the pace, and the assignments are due when I get them done. Not only that but topics should show real use that will actually affect me, or give me something I will actually use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScanDave
    The perfect classroom for me would be one where there are no deadlines. I pretty much set the pace, and the assignments are due when I get them done.
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    Im happy with an awesome teacher. Class structure is 2ndary to a true teacher imo.

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    Question: why involve N and S at all when talking about class structure? Why not just separate the js and the ps and leave it at that? Anyway, I think such a situation may be conducive for learning in the short run, but the long run however might be a different story. It would accommodate for one's first function and their preference for rationality or irrationality, but that might make them neglect their second function, and so over time their first function grows stronger and stronger while their second function kind of atrophies, and while that might facilitate learning in the classroom, it wouldn't be helpful in situations outside the classroom. So I think in the long run it could actually be detrimental.
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    The perfect classroom for me would be to have a Matrix-like socket in the back of my brain, and just upload the information directly into my mind.

    That'd kick ass.

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    I wouldn't seperate people by type. I like being with people of all types.
    That would seriously fuck up everyone's social life.
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    I don't agree about sorting classrooms by type. The world we have to live in once we graduate isn't sorted by type and children in that environment wouldn't learn any copying strategies.

    As an NP, I think what would have helped me most through school would have been some one on one attention and perhaps giving me a bit different of a curriculum to go off in the corner and work at.

    I'm actually better at teaching myself things than trying to listen to someone else explain it to me, then try to convert what they are saying into a logical way that makes sense to me.

    Also some compassion, for the hard time I have dealing with strict schedules. Instead of punishing me (which always had the opposite affect), try explaining to me why and giving me choices.

    I think understanding that all kids are different and allowing for more flexibility and emphathy in the classroom would go a long way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Young_and_Confused
    Should the education system use Socionics as guideline

    Create different classrooms and topics for each type

    Seperate them in this manner
    ------------------------------------

    NP Classroom - Flexible class with little structure, teach things visually and introduce interesting theories
    SP Classroom - Little structure, teach practical things in a hands on manner
    SJ Classroom - Basically teach these students in the same manner they do now
    NJ Classroom - Emphasize complex theories and structure

    Okay, I know this is like segregation, but it is just a whacky idea and I want to know what you guys think of it. Anyways, they have segregation already by putting levels for each grade.

    Can this work if implemented, or are there too many problems?
    i'm not totally up on the theories - i'm INTJ - i think in pictures, learn by hands on, audio and visual. so according to this list, i'm almost all of them.

    i would rather learn or teach what people would actually need. complex theories confuses most people - often you need that visual memory to understand many of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ishysquishy
    Quote Originally Posted by Young_and_Confused
    NP Classroom - Flexible class with little structure, teach things visually and introduce interesting theories
    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    Give me that SP or NJ classroom instead. I simply cannot learn visually. At all. Never works out. I'd fail dismally. (This has been tried, when a teacher switched methods to accomodate the visual learners that made up the rest of the class. I didn't fail dismally but my marks slipped from the 90-100 range to the 50-60 range).
    out of curiousity - what were some of the lessons like? most of my teachers never taught in pictures. so i'm not sure what kinds of lessons they use now. do you remember any?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkside
    The perfect classroom for me would be to have a Matrix-like socket in the back of my brain, and just upload the information directly into my mind.

    That'd kick ass.
    i can arrange that for ya if you want. it only hurts once, then it will fade to black in a sort of magical bliss....

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    I do very well with visual stimulation. Could this be an extroverted thing?

    I do best when I learn a generalized concept or theory and work my way down. That way, I know the reasons I'm learning what I'm learning. Without that reason, I find it hard to focus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Polly_G
    I do very well with visual stimulation. Could this be an extroverted thing?

    I do best when I learn a generalized concept or theory and work my way down. That way, I know the reasons I'm learning what I'm learning. Without that reason, I find it hard to focus.
    i'm a strong I - so no. i think the visual thing has nothing at all to do with personality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike_INTJ
    Quote Originally Posted by ishysquishy
    Quote Originally Posted by Young_and_Confused
    NP Classroom - Flexible class with little structure, teach things visually and introduce interesting theories
    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    Give me that SP or NJ classroom instead. I simply cannot learn visually. At all. Never works out. I'd fail dismally. (This has been tried, when a teacher switched methods to accomodate the visual learners that made up the rest of the class. I didn't fail dismally but my marks slipped from the 90-100 range to the 50-60 range).
    out of curiousity - what were some of the lessons like? most of my teachers never taught in pictures. so i'm not sure what kinds of lessons they use now. do you remember any?
    The teacher was very big on colour. Everything was colour coded, it was quite distressing! I just got distracted/confused/over-stimulated. I really can't cope with much in the way of visual information.

    There was also diagrams, I couldn't remember a picture if my life depended on it. Plus I don't relate very well to diagrams. It was much better when she was just lecturing or if there was something we could "play" with. Real skeletons as opposed to pictures of skeletons. I need to touch objects in order to relate to them, diagrams are meaningless.

    Also she used diagrams to represent information and thought processes (not just concrete things). I don't relate to that, either, and because she didn't do much else presentation-wise, I had to come up with my own way of learning the information and because she was doing it visually in the first place, my understanding was inherently flawed when I went to do my own thing. It did not work out!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ishysquishy
    Quote Originally Posted by mike_INTJ
    Quote Originally Posted by ishysquishy
    Quote Originally Posted by Young_and_Confused
    NP Classroom - Flexible class with little structure, teach things visually and introduce interesting theories
    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    Give me that SP or NJ classroom instead. I simply cannot learn visually. At all. Never works out. I'd fail dismally. (This has been tried, when a teacher switched methods to accomodate the visual learners that made up the rest of the class. I didn't fail dismally but my marks slipped from the 90-100 range to the 50-60 range).
    out of curiousity - what were some of the lessons like? most of my teachers never taught in pictures. so i'm not sure what kinds of lessons they use now. do you remember any?
    The teacher was very big on colour. Everything was colour coded, it was quite distressing! I just got distracted/confused/over-stimulated. I really can't cope with much in the way of visual information.

    There was also diagrams, I couldn't remember a picture if my life depended on it. Plus I don't relate very well to diagrams. It was much better when she was just lecturing or if there was something we could "play" with. Real skeletons as opposed to pictures of skeletons. I need to touch objects in order to relate to them, diagrams are meaningless.

    Also she used diagrams to represent information and thought processes (not just concrete things). I don't relate to that, either, and because she didn't do much else presentation-wise, I had to come up with my own way of learning the information and because she was doing it visually in the first place, my understanding was inherently flawed when I went to do my own thing. It did not work out!
    interesting. your like me in school - but in reverse. where everything was taught in words - and not pictures. not much to touch or look at. i did best in science and some math. but the other classes, really bad. it wasn't until i got out of school, and the internet came around. that's when i really taught myself stuff.

    learning a new language also opened my eyes in how i read something. apparently my eyes jump all over words. i seem to locate pattern structures over what the word actually says. it explains a lot...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cone
    I'm sure some Se types are good visual learners, so no.

    I'd rather have a classroom which requires as little group participation as possible. If I could teach myself, that would be great.
    I can't see Se types learning any other way. Then again, I am not sure that Ne types can learn any better from auditory. They definitely are going to have a hard time if they have to just read it. Ti, Se, and Ne are all experiential type functions, based on Lenore Thomson's book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScanDave
    The perfect classroom for me would be one where there are no deadlines. I pretty much set the pace, and the assignments are due when I get them done. Not only that but topics should show real use that will actually affect me, or give me something I will actually use.
    Arrgghhh, then the assignments that I did not want to do, or had little interest in, would never get done. I think that deadlines are necessary, as long as there is some flexibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Functianalyst
    Quote Originally Posted by ScanDave
    The perfect classroom for me would be one where there are no deadlines. I pretty much set the pace, and the assignments are due when I get them done. Not only that but topics should show real use that will actually affect me, or give me something I will actually use.
    Arrgghhh, then the assignments that I did not want to do, or had little interest in, would never get done. I think that deadlines are necessary, as long as there is some flexibility.
    Haha, yeah I'm the same way Functian. I need a bit of structure and deadlines to get my ass in gear. I may not like structure or deadlines but they definately make my life easier and more motivated. If left to my own devices, I'd just work on what interested me most.

    That's why I don't think a classroom sorted by type would be a good idea. Just because I don't like certain things doesn't mean being exposed to them isn't good for me.

    I honestly think what would help the most, would be if teachers were taught to understand the different types and what motivates/discourages us. I was punished so much in school it was like a place of torture I was just forced to go to. The teachers all thought I was just lazy so paid little attention to me other than to scold me often infront of others and I kind of just ended up slipping through the cracks eventually.

    I was asked only once that I recall if I didn't do well in school because it didn't challenge me. They phrased the question wrong because school itself was a huge challenge for me, the curriculum itself I found boring but to say so, seemed to just reinforce what everyone was saying about me and that was, I was lazy.
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    Yeah flexibility is what I was looking for. I just can't stand deadlines. I usually try to find some way to get something in at a time that is more convient. I do not mean to sound like I have my head up my ass though. I mean convient where I will actually put some quality effort in it, and I feel like I'm not rushing something to the door because I have to meet a deadline. I need to have a relax period, where I can think over it endlessly. If it is something I'm not interested in, I try to wait for some interest to spark. It happens about half the time.


    I want to feel like there is some meaning in something I put time into. If there is no meaning I'm usually the hell with it.
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    Yep, I can agree with that. When you look at some of the details of my job you think ugh! but the end results will reduced wait times for children to get into see speech specialists. The waiting list is over a year right now.

    Whenever I start to think ugh! I just think of that end result. It makes me feel pretty silly for not wanting to do a tedious task.

    Its actually why I prefer to work for not-for-profit agencies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Functianalyst
    Quote Originally Posted by ScanDave
    The perfect classroom for me would be one where there are no deadlines. I pretty much set the pace, and the assignments are due when I get them done. Not only that but topics should show real use that will actually affect me, or give me something I will actually use.
    Arrgghhh, then the assignments that I did not want to do, or had little interest in, would never get done. I think that deadlines are necessary, as long as there is some flexibility.
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