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    Would you say Sociotype has any significant effect on a person's ability to dance? Of course there's many types of dancing, from simple to complex. I'm more interested in answers concerning the complex dancing or disco-style type stuff, but any answer relating Socionics to dancing in general would be nice.

    A friend of mine, who's been studying Socionics for at least two years longer than me, said:

    "Like most art, I'm guessing there's a combination of things. There's probably some , to memorize the moves. , to make sure you're doing the moves right, and you're in the right place, etc. , to make your movements emotional, rather than just mechanical."

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    IMO: all irrationals (except for ILIs and SLIs) keep up

    Rationals....
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    Yeah, I've wondered this awhile too... there was another thread on this a long time ago and I think many answered those with Si in their ego. But personally, I think it's something just made for SEEs... I can't really explain this other than the fact I know so many SEEs that just already have rhythm and they love performing. ESFjs? LOL yeah, any rational type attempting dance seems funny to me.

    IEEs are good too, I know a lot of IEE breakdancers... obviously SEIs - I know one amazing SEI dancer of modern/ballet/contemporary types. I agree then, that it's irrationals that excel more, and I would presume irrational feelers.

    Umm... IEIs though can go either way... LOL some have zero rhythm while some could be outstanding at lyrical and other more... abstract forms of dance


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    I know good dancers of all types.

    Of my friends:
    Best 'club' dancer - an ESE..
    Best ballet dancers - an LSI and EII
    Best swing dancers - a bunch of alphas

    Worst dancer: myself

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    It's bullshit that rational types cannot dance, c'mon. Here is how it goes, not-socionics related:

    Above the 50th parallel (even origin, so half of the US would be counted here): 100 percent people bad dancers
    Between 30 and 50th parallel: 50 percent bad dancers, 40 percent decent dancers, 10 percent good dancers
    Between 10 and 30th parallel: 50 percent good dancers, 50 percent decent dancers
    Between 0 and 10: 80 percent good dancers, 20 percent decent dancers
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    It's bullshit that rational types cannot dance, c'mon. Here is how it goes, not-socionics related:

    Above the 50th parallel (even origin, so half of the US would be counted here): 100 percent people bad dancers
    Between 30 and 50th parallel: 50 percent bad dancers, 40 percent decent dancers, 10 percent good dancers
    Between 10 and 30th parallel: 50 percent good dancers, 50 percent decent dancers
    Between 0 and 10: 80 percent good dancers, 20 percent decent dancers

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    worst are generally intuitive rationals, i think?
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    worst are generally intuitive rationals, i think?


    what about ISFjs (namely robots)
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    what about ISFjs (namely robots)
    i'm not sure about ISFjs as i don't know many, or haven't actually witnessed many dancing. i recall (am i wrong?) that diana did fencing for a while, which seems to me to be something that requires some finesse. i meet a lot of egos that seem to me to move in a jerky manner in general. even if i haven't seen them dancing, sometimes i can't imagine the jerky movements transferring over well to dancing.
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    i'm not sure about ISFjs as i don't know many, or haven't actually witnessed many dancing. i recall (am i wrong?) that diana did fencing for a while, which seems to me to be something that requires some finesse. i meet a lot of egos that seem to me to move in a jerky manner in general. even if i haven't seen them dancing, sometimes i can't imagine the jerky movements transferring over well to dancing.
    some ESIs freeze a smile on their faces, stick a foot to the ground and move the other leg. They keep their chins up as if they are being backstabbed: not very nice to see
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    Most people who can do club type dancing are the ones who actually go clubbing, so I wonder if it's worth asking which types tend to frequent clubs. Aren't they normally Se dominants?

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    Most people who can do club type dancing are the ones who actually go clubbing, so I wonder if it's worth asking which types tend to frequent clubs. Aren't they normally Se dominants?
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    im a good dancer.

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    I would agree that SEE are great at dancing.
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    Thanks for all the responses.

    I was asking because I'm part of this extra-curricular "show choir", which does things like "Mamma Mia!" (with a lot of '70s-style dance choreography), a medley of swing music, and other stuff kind of like that.

    It's almost always that I feel like an idiot doing any of it. In fact, it either annoys me or makes me feel foolish, depending on what's going on. Whenever our director tells us to have a huge smile and be really "into it", especially during "Dancing Queen", I can't do it. I avoid fake smiling, as I think it makes me look absolutely stupid, whenever I've seen pictures of mine.

    Something tells me a "show choir" is definitely not the place for an LII.
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    Dichotomically speaking. Constructivists(TPs and FJs). That's true when you take all of them together vs emotivists, not distinguishing between types. Sensing and irrationality, I believe are also helpful when it comes to dancing.

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    Been told I'm a good dancer by other people. I am EII.

    I also think this skill can be acquired.
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    Been told I'm a good dancer by other people. I am EII.

    I also think this skill can be acquired.
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    I would imagine it's a learned skill. I used to be horrified at the thought of having to dance in public until I learned how as a kid, and now I will dance anywhere. I picked it up pretty easily as I think ENFps can imitate other people well.

    I have a couple of salsa dancing friends who are so/so. An INFp guy who was okay, but he honestly didn't move all that well (he sorta bounced too much I think). And an INTj girl who had the technical aspects down perfectly but could look kind of uptight. I also remember an ISTj girl on my high school danceline who did everything "perfectly" but looked like a robot. It really depends on the person though.

    ESFps...well, I had a salsa dance partner and he stepped on my toe so hard it shattered the nail! And he was always really self-conscious, which made it no fun. However, he was great at regular club dancing and anything he could make up on the spot. I think the structure of learning a dance like that freaked him out.

    I used to dance with an ENTp who was a bit too showy, but I would imagine a lot of those ballroom guys are ENTps. He wasn't bad.

    And an INTp, who could sometimes lack a bit of confidence but he generally moved well and could dance.

    So I think it depends much more on the person, how much chance they've had to practice and if they have any talent versus anything else.
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    Sensors are better at it. My SLI mom is a great folk dancer. My IEE dad is not. My SLE brother and I would be good had we any training. The only LSI I'm familiar with is a good clogger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jewels View Post
    So I think it depends much more on the person, how much chance they've had to practice and if they have any talent versus anything else.
    That's also what I think. Training plays a large part, as well as if the person has played sports since he/she was a little kid, which obiviously improves body control, essential for good dancing ability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    IMO: all irrationals (except for ILIs and SLIs) keep up

    Rationals....
    I have seen at least two SEE-ILI dancing together in the clubs with no practice, and just plain improvising and they are totally on the same page it is unbelievable.

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    worst are generally intuitive rationals, i think?

    ENXj are definity better than ESxj in dancing, If the ENXj are in this Se Mode, they can go by random music and dance, ESXj are terrible club dancers IMO.
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    i believe it has much more to do with perceptive preferences as in the multiple intelligence system.

    Adepts at kinetics will probably outdance anybody, this has little to do with socionics (Se's preference for the condition of the objective world is related to their concerns of static views: power, land, etc. and less with dynamics) ; it also develops naturaly for Ethical types in an easier fashion i believe, because of the necessity of expressing feelings as to create an impact, or as to express the inner true self.

    Visuals are probably mor concerned with mimics and not as good, unless they do have a strong kinetic preference. Musicals are probably a bit better at undestanding rythim, but may lack coordination in body.

    In my personal experience i have noticed, when the time comes to dance, SEE and SLE do it a lot but in a much more conservative and common manner. Until someone gets them in territorial mode red alert (which usually is always in yellow already); still so, i have found out ESI to be the most expressive dancers, and IEE + IEI to be the most "original".

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    Quote Originally Posted by implied View Post
    worst are generally intuitive rationals, i think?
    idk... michael jackson--ENFj- badass dancer, if ya ask me
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    Most of the professional/pre-professional ballet dancers I know are XEIs - more IEIs than SEIs. The hip-hop and jazz dancers tend to be more extroverts: EIEs, SEEs and a lot of female SLEs. Strangely, most of the female SLEs I met up until college were either break dancers or field hockey players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pluie View Post
    idk... michael jackson--ENFj- badass dancer, if ya ask me
    Touche pluie, i now see how ENFj's are the most eccentric dancers

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