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    Default What do you think of the V.I. Test at socionics.com?

    Do you agree with their answers/find it helpful?

    V.I. Test - socionics.com

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    I'd say it's worthless.

    It might be interesting to know, if there's someone who's actually good at that.
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    I've failed it every time. I have been able to associate wide jaws with sensors on it though at least, cough, yeah anyway.

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    My Guess: ISFp
    Answer: ISTp

    My Guess: ISTj
    Answer: INFp

    My Guess: ENTp
    Answer: ESTp

    My Guess: ENFp
    Answer: INFp

    My Guess: ISFj
    Answer: ESFj

    My Guess: INFj
    Answer: ESFj

    My Guess: INFp
    Answer: INFj

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    As "the critic" I point out two concerns with it

    1) can you tell me the type or do I have to keep guessing?
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    2) is it legitimate? who's actually making these distinctions between type?

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    Quote Originally Posted by polikujm View Post
    find it helpful?
    No. Not helpful, although I haven't seen all the faces, maybe there would be some hints to see.

    First of all, VI can only be learned through comparing faces of types you already know, and noticing similarities.

    Though maybe you could make a tutorial for using VI as a confirmation tool. For example, if you think some type is an ESFP, check whether you can see the lowered mouth corners. etc etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by polikujm View Post
    2) is it legitimate? who's actually making these distinctions between type?
    Yes, it's probably possible to make exaggarated faces of types so that they have distincive characteristics of which most of us would agree with. Yet subtypes differ too, so... including male and female, we're at about 64 faces in total.

    edit, damn I forgot the different races, it seems Ganin used that too. So we're at 640000 faces in total. Why not memorize every individual on earth. hmm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
    Though maybe you could make a tutorial for using VI as a confirmation tool. For example, if you think some type is an ESFP, check whether you can see the lowered mouth corners. etc etc.
    oke, I'm quoting myself, which is nice.

    I've noticed Ganin used my proposal :-)

    The ENFJ woman, has the distinctive ENFJ womans mouth. W shaped. If Ganin had pointed that out, then people could actually learn from the test. Now it's just... a test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
    oke, I'm quoting myself, which is nice.

    I've noticed Ganin used my proposal :-)

    The ENFJ woman, has the distinctive ENFJ womans mouth. W shaped. If Ganin had pointed that out, then people could actually learn from the test. Now it's just... a test.
    Yes. These are the kind of distinctions I'd really like to know. Because it's either I don't notice detail or I'm not grasping the commonalities, and I think its the former. I could see users being able to crack that code, but i just want the facts please, ex. what makes this an INFP exactly. Is it his eyes, nose, mouth? I can't take everything into account if I don't have anything to relate it to. If you could tell me just one thing to look for I can figure out the rest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by polikujm View Post
    Yes. These are the kind of distinctions I'd really like to know. Because it's either I don't notice detail or I'm not grasping the commonalities, and I think its the former. If you could tell me just one thing to look for I can figure out the rest.
    Well this is my first simple attempt. These are characteristics that are fairly common.
    Focus on these facial parts, to spot similarities quicker between persons of the same type.

    ENTP: sloped forhead, stare
    ISFP: soft smile, wide jaws. Some males have thick eyebrows, low voice.
    ESFJ: Si subtype woman have V shaped eyebrows
    INTJ: distinct shy smile

    ESTP: Ti subtype males look tough. Some females have a distinctive large forehead.
    INFP: w shaped mouth, wide open eyes
    ENFJ: soft w shaped mouth, young looking face
    ISTJ: not a moustache :-)

    ESFP: sad eyes, flat face, lowered mouth corners (sometimes one sided), often hooknose.
    INTP: concentrated detached look, hanging shoulders
    ENTJ: woman have lower half monkey face
    ISFJ: Se types have large head, Fi types nose attached to forehead.

    ENFP: Fi subtype sometimes M shaped mouth
    ISTP: cheekbones! sometimes wide jaws
    ESTJ: Te type has rectangular face
    INFJ: lower lip forward, women sometimes distinct thick eyebrows

    If anyone wants to add, check or confirm, please do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warlord View Post
    I'd say it's worthless.

    It might be interesting to know, if there's someone who's actually good at that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
    ISFJ: Se types have large head, Fi types nose attached to forehead.
    I think I can say with confidence that I have never met an Fi-ISFj.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubicon View Post
    I think I can say with confidence that I have never met an Fi-ISFj.
    how do I explain this...there is not a valley shape at the beginning. it's straight from the forehead down in a straight line. It's really easy to spot. I've seen it in 2 out of 3 ESI-Fi's.
    And I've seen it in no other type. So it's really typical, and useful for confirmation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by polikujm View Post
    Do you agree with their answers
    yes, I could recognize the ENFJ and ESTJ when I saw the answers. Ganin did a good job on those two. Yet others weren't that clear to me.

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    Sorry, but if there's one person that sucks at VI the most it would have to be Ganin.
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    Another vote for worthless.
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    Worthless and unhelpful.

    It would be interesting, for the sake of transparency, if it explained how those people were typed (by VI or otherwise).
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    1. I said ISTp (Ganin: ISFp)
    2. I said ENFj (Ganin: ISTp)
    3. I gave up

    Quote Originally Posted by Expat View Post
    It would be interesting, for the sake of transparency, if it explained how those people were typed (by VI or otherwise).
    But then socionics.com would become redundant.
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