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    Do depictions of epic love in music, movies, novels and such particularly appeal to betas? I'm wondering if it's related to and . If something has some theme of epic love, I tend to be more drawn to it, even if (being a bit of a culture snob) I think it's kind of embarrassing to like.

    By epic love, I mean things like this, especially the bolded parts:

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KhGUE_KjIo]YouTube - Slow Show By The National Music Video[/ame]

    Standing at the punch table swallowing punch
    can't pay attention to the sound of anyone
    a little more stupid, a little more scared
    every minute more unprepared

    I made a mistake in my life today
    everything I love gets lost in drawers
    I want to start over, I want to be winning
    way out of sync from the beginning


    I wanna hurry home to you
    put on a slow, dumb show for you
    and crack you up
    so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
    god I'm very, very frightening
    I'll overdo it

    Looking for somewhere to stand and stay
    I leaned on the wall and the wall leaned away
    Can I get a minute of not being nervous
    and not thinking of my dick
    My leg is sparkles, my leg is pins
    I better get my shit together, better gather my shit in
    You could drive a car through my head in five minutes
    from one side of it to the other

    You know I dreamed about you
    for twenty-nine years before I saw you
    You know I dreamed about you
    I missed you for
    for twenty-nine years

    (Also, I'm trying to probe for recommendations. )
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    I'm not sure but I certainly like it. Perfect example:
    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cwlL9tZo30]YouTube - Ben Folds Five - The Luckiest[/ame]
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    wow, dreaming of you for 29 years...*melt* i didnt watch the video (on my cell :-| ) but that lyric gives me hope in a kind of pathetic way...anyways i have entire moleskines filled with epic longing and romantic (mostly non-sexual) fantasies and idealistic poetic musings on love, so i vote yes

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    I certainly do. In fact, I consider myself to become more emotional with 'artistic' feelings (love, hate) than in real life.

    For those that haven't already seen this.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZSAkCdLzkg&feature=channel_page"]This is my love.[/ame]

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    Awesome, you like the National =] Of course, all righteous Betas love a good epic love song, even the Beta STs... actually especially the Beta STs! =D Oh the drama...

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0TwmP0lA2Y]YouTube - Skid Row - I Remember You (Live)[/ame]

    Haha, cannot resist the intensely melodramatic bordering on cheesiness of it Actually it more than borders, it totally crosses over and just throws up everywhere.

    Woke up to the sound of pouring rain
    The wind would whisper and I'd think of you
    And all the tears you cried, that called my name
    And when you needed me I came through

    I paint a picture of the days gone by
    When love went blind and you would make me see
    I'd stare a lifetime into your eyes
    So that I knew you were there for me
    Time after time you were there for me


    Remember yesterday - walking hand in hand
    Love letters in the sand - I remember you
    Through the sleepless nights and every endless day
    I'd wanna hear you say - I remember you

    We spend the summer with the top rolled down
    Wished ever after would be like this
    You said I love you babe, without a sound
    I said I'd give my life for just one kiss
    I'd live for your smile and die for your kiss

    We've had our share of hard times
    But that's the price we paid
    And through it all we kept the promise that we made
    I swear you'll never be lonely

    Woke up to the sound of pouring rain
    Washed away a dream of you
    But nothing else could ever take you away
    'Cause you'll always be my dream come true
    Oh my darling, I love you


    And one of the MOST beautiful songs I've ever heard - and solo: Just please listen to it, it's like drool-worthy, orgasmic... fast forward to 3:00minutes!!!

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMrCIUUtWHU]YouTube - the hold steady - Lord, I'm Discouraged - Stay Positive[/ame]


    Lord, I'm discouraged
    The circles have sucked in her eyes
    Lord, I'm discouraged
    Her new friends have shadowed her life
    Lord, I'm discouraged
    She ain't come out dancing for some time

    And I'm trying to light candles
    But they burn down to nothing
    And she keeps coming up with
    Excuses and half-truths and fortified wine
    There's a house on the south side
    Where she stays in for days at a time

    I know I'm no angel
    I ain't been bad that way
    Can't you hear her?
    She's that sweet missing songbird
    When the choir sings on Sundays

    And I'm almost busted
    But I bought back the jewelery she sold

    And I come to your altar
    And then there's just nothing
    And she keeps insisting
    The sutures and bruises are none of my business
    She says that she's sick
    But she won't get specific
    The sutures and bruises are none of my business
    This guy from the north side
    Comes down to visits
    His visits, they only take five or six minutes

    Lord, I'm sorry to question your wisdom
    But my faith has been wavering
    Won't you show me a sign,
    And let me know that you're listening?

    Excuses and half-truths and fortified wine
    I know it's unlikely she'll ever be mine
    So I mostly just pray she don't die


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    Not just epic love, but epics in general.

    But not to derail the thread, I love the film The English Patient.
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    Quote Originally Posted by octopuslove View Post
    Do depictions of epic love in music, movies, novels and such particularly appeal to betas? I'm wondering if it's related to and . If something has some theme of epic love, I tend to be more drawn to it, even if (being a bit of a culture snob) I think it's kind of embarrassing to like.
    But what is culturally embarrassing about liking 'epic' stuff? I mean, ok, it is a bit romantic and a bit pretentious, but there's far more cringeworthy stuff around. Epic love is totally defensible. From both within and outside the academy/canon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by idolatrie View Post
    But what is culturally embarrassing about liking 'epic' stuff? I mean, ok, it is a bit romantic and a bit pretentious, but there's far more cringeworthy stuff around. Epic love is totally defensible. From both within and outside the academy/canon.
    What do you mean by "epic love is totally defensible"?
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    1)
    A girl who I want to date, asks me: well first tell me how tall you are?
    My reply: well I will answer that, if you first tell me how much you weigh!

    2)
    A girl I was dating said she was oh so great at sex etc, but she didn't do blowjobs.
    My reply: Oh I'm really romantic etc, I just will never take you out to dinner.

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    Well western society typically demands that people be relatively jaded and have low expectations of anything claiming to be transcendant, prefering that people relegate fulfillment of these desires to their imagination and project them onto things that can be sold (movies, music, video games, etc), so when people are actually passionate, they are typically seen as "naive" or "emo," and as a result arent taken seriously.

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    Gilly, I understand and it saddens me because that kills a lot of good Art, think of the 90's entertainment and now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
    1)
    A girl who I want to date, asks me: well first tell me how tall you are?
    My reply: well I will answer that, if you first tell me how much you weigh!

    2)
    A girl I was dating said she was oh so great at sex etc, but she didn't do blowjobs.
    My reply: Oh I'm really romantic etc, I just will never take you out to dinner.

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    I think I lost most of the 90s the night I downed half a bottle of jack daniels with a handfull of klonopin ;-;

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
    1)
    A girl who I want to date, asks me: well first tell me how tall you are?
    My reply: well I will answer that, if you first tell me how much you weigh!

    2)
    A girl I was dating said she was oh so great at sex etc, but she didn't do blowjobs.
    My reply: Oh I'm really romantic etc, I just will never take you out to dinner.

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    Yea thx, figured that one out the hard way x_x

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    Well, for 'epic love' I was thinking more about grand passions, tempestuous affairs and some sense of 'destiny' to it all. Opera like Carmen, ballet like Swan Lake, novels like Anna Karenina. And just epicness in general - themes about swelling, tormenting emotion and the cruel, endless march of time. Give me Hamlet, give me Guernica, give me war poetry from the trenches, the camps. So if you want to look at artists who have considered 'epic' topics in their art, I don't see what is not defensible about being moved by them. Sure, it is easy to be cynical about transcendence through art, but that is such an empty, impoverished way to be. If that makes me a pretentious wanker, fuck it, I'll take that and enjoy the richness, thank you very much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by idolatrie View Post
    Well, for 'epic love' I was thinking more about grand passions, tempestuous affairs and some sense of 'destiny' to it all. Opera like Carmen, ballet like Swan Lake, novels like Anna Karenina. And just epicness in general - themes about swelling, tormenting emotion and the cruel, endless march of time. Give me Hamlet, give me Guernica, give me war poetry from the trenches, the camps. So if you want to look at artists who have considered 'epic' topics in their art, I don't see what is not defensible about being moved by them. Sure, it is easy to be cynical about transcendence through art, but that is such an empty, impoverished way to be. If that makes me a pretentious wanker, fuck it, I'll take that and enjoy the richness, thank you very much.
    Totally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
    1)
    A girl who I want to date, asks me: well first tell me how tall you are?
    My reply: well I will answer that, if you first tell me how much you weigh!

    2)
    A girl I was dating said she was oh so great at sex etc, but she didn't do blowjobs.
    My reply: Oh I'm really romantic etc, I just will never take you out to dinner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by idolatrie View Post
    But what is culturally embarrassing about liking 'epic' stuff? I mean, ok, it is a bit romantic and a bit pretentious, but there's far more cringeworthy stuff around. Epic love is totally defensible. From both within and outside the academy/canon.
    I agree with your point entirely. Epic love is sadly denigrated, and it really shouldn't be. What I meant in the opening post is, if something is utterly crap, but it has a line in it that expresses epic love in a particularly poignant way, I'll be drawn to it. For example, Disney movies: they make me cringe with their stilted values, but sometimes I get caught up in them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    so when people are actually passionate, they are typically seen as "naive" or "emo,"
    Or on E.
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