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    Can I contribute?

    I agree with IP temperament, except for being go-with-the-flow. Large changes I find disorienting, so I don't necessarily like them. But, yes, eventually things just smooth out and I'm where I am again, if that makes sense (it probably doesn't... uh, I mean, I feel reconnected with things, and that pleasant blurry feeling returns).

    As for joining/starting threads, I tend to start threads because of how many questions I have (maybe more of a thing for SEIs than IEIs). That's lessened recently now that I have Brillsauce on IV drip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimosa Pudica View Post
    Question 1 : Do you identify with the Ip-temperament definitions:

    * relaxed
    * go-with-the-flow
    * finds it easy to spend long periods of time in no activity, or at very low levels of energy
    * movements are flexible, unhurried
    * little inclination towards fidgetiness when having to remain inactive for longer periods
    I think I'm far more erratic. I think the above descriptions are true of me for more than half the time, but if I'm relaxed and lethargic for a while, I'll interrupt with a burst of manic activity.

    For example, when I did a nine month project last year, most of the work I did was in two three-week periods.

    IPs are both dynamic and irrational, so they see reality as in continuous, gradual, often imperceptible change. An IP is soothed by this, seeing reality through his leading function. This leads to a relaxed inclination to take things as they come and adapt to them.
    I find this difficult to understand, mainly because, well, that's the way I've always seen reality.

    As introverts, IPs tend to be relaxed and somewhat passive about initiating relationships with other people, mostly assuming that others will take the initiative.
    See, the thing is, a lot of my friendships are also with other introverts. I'm very passive with things like saying hi in the morning to people I've only known for a short period, but I'm pretty sure I initiated most of my other close introvert relationships.

    Question 2 : Do you rather answer or do you rather start threads? Why?
    Answer threads. Because I'm new and shy and scared.
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    Yeah, I'd say the definition pretty much fits me, overall. Personally, I never had a problem relating to Ip temperament, even when I was self-typing as IEE. I'll try to address the different points later.

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    One thing I've noticed is that IEI-Nis tend to feel rock-solid with their IEI typing, while IEI-Fes waver more. I'm one of the rock-solid ones.

    I'm sure you want to hear from someone else now, but I can relate to some of the specifics of what you've described:

    Quote Originally Posted by Mimosa Pudica View Post
    RELAXED: People laugh at me for being like this, and I often hear the word "relax!!!".

    When facing accidents and external threats, too, I've been extremely calm, while others flip completely and run around like headless hens
    I've been told by many people that I walk extremely quickly. I'll stop in mid-stride and whip around to collect something I've forgotten, and often I have to force myself to sit down and think about what I'm actually trying to do.

    I'm also extremely good in crisis mode. I can easily focus on what needs to be done, and what order to do them in, and a lot of the time, people let me take control of the situation. Crises also give me a pleasant energy boost of sorts.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mimosa Pudica View Post
    Go-with-the-flow When about life-style, people often find my choices strange.

    For example, I DO easily follow others around when it comes to social activities. I really like when others take initiative and invite me to do sports or things like that.
    I identify very much with the above statements. For example, when choosing my career path, I would have avoided a lot of paperwork, and would have had a much better future income if I stayed with my original choice. But after some experience working in that field, I realised that it was too mind-numbingly boring. My parents and a lot of my friends think I'm crazy for doing that, but once I made up my mind, there was never a question of changing back.

    When I have to organise a social activity, I get very stressed out. It's much easier to let someone else do the worrying.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mimosa Pudica View Post
    Finds it easy to spend long periods of time in no activity, or at very low levels of energy My mind NEVER stops workings. I'd love to turn it off at times, but it's not possible.

    Also I multitask a lot. Writing here, working a bit, chatting on the phone, reading the news paper. All at once.
    I often can't sleep because I'm thinking. I'll lie there for three hours trying to sleep, but I start thinking and won't want to stop.

    Multitasking is natural for me. It's one of the reasons I think I can't possibly be rational. I very easily abandon one task (at a good stopping point, of course - but never a very far-off point) and move on to do something that "fits my energy levels" (some site used that to describe irrationals).
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    I find these two articles interesting in terms of rationality and irrationality:

    P stands for Phenomenon
    This one sort of makes the "p" type sound like a person with a drug habit, and its tone seems to be that these "p types" can't be counted on and are deceivers and break their promises, etc. But taking away this kind of "dramatic" (accusatory?) way of explaining it, I do think it does provide a (rather exaggerated) contrast between "p" and "j" that sheds light on p.

    The Socionist: rationality
    I think this one sort of exaggerates the "wild, untamed nature" thing (I might be changing my mind!). I also think the dichotomy of it (in general, not just this article) isn't very helpful in the sense that everyone has a rational element in their ego block, and I could imagine seeing the "rational attitude" coming out in "irrational types" because of this. But still I find this article very helpful in drawing a contrast between the two. Also I think that people's circumstances can also affect how "rational" or "irrational" they appear, and that this may fluctuate even throughout their life.

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    That Socionist article about "wild, untamed nature" is quite misleading.

    I love Rick, but that ain't right.

    E. G. EIE musicians... John Lennon, Marilyn Manson... Unless one wants to stretch Rick's metaphor EXTREMELY far, one can't rightly say these two are (or even seem) scared of "untamed nature," and shit like that.

    Rick's description is too behavior specific to be correct.

    The truth of XXXj is easiest to show in pictures or videos. It amounts to a certain (bearly effable) rigidity or uprightness in personality... Whereas XXXp has a sort of, for lack of better words right now, flexability and live and let live adaptability ingrained in their personalities...

    Unfortunately, not even my really brief descriptions capture the difference adequately... It is tangible, but almost ineffable, and unfortunately, the cause of hundreds of Socionics mistypings.
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    I think both the articles I posted are "misleading." I trust that people can evaluate them for themselves. I do find both those articles helpful even if they are misleading, and I would add that I think it's difficult to write about something like temperament without it coming off as "misleading." For instance the IP temperament -- we're talking about something that has to cover both Si and Ni leading (it invites contradiction from the get go). No matter what it says, unless it's some long treatise on temperaments covering every microscopic little point, it will be to an extent misleading if taken verbatim.

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    enneagram instincts would cover differences

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimosa Pudica View Post
    heh... yes... It's more or less how I read it, still I don't identify with any of the descriptions more than the other. I can see reasons why I would fit both. And I disagree with parts of both, too.

    I AM very balanced in temperaments, just in the middle of I/E and j/p, and thus I probably won't fit the stereotypes either way. It makes me a bit unsure if I should make these posts, as stereotypes can be good to type obvious types. It's with the more balanced ones it gets difficult, and I guess that's my message.

    Juju adviced me to look at intertype relations to figure out if I'm IEI or EIE, and I'm IEI, as my intertype relations make sense only if I am. I used my ILE husband, ESE mother and my ex-boyfriends (two SLEs, one LSI) in addition to more obvious IEIs to figure out. Also, I just feel a bit more comfortable with the IEIs on this forum than the EIEs, - the EIEs all seem so damn serious all the time. :wink:

    The point about Si and Ni is good. Si-egos are of course naturally a lot more relaxed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimosa Pudica View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimosa Pudica View Post
    I hope so.... If not, I'm neither rational nor irrational. Can I be omni-temperamental?
    hahaha if anyone is, it's you

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