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    in which order do you specifically remember the sixteen types? ...and if you use subtypes, how do you factor that in? do you even use a specific order?


    I use the information relay:

    , , , , , , ,
    SEI, ILE, LII, ESE, LSI, EIE, IEI, SLE, ILI, SEE, ESI, LIE, EII, LSE, SLI, IEE
    Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta
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    Order? Information relay?

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    Yes, probably non-Ti valueing at least on my part. I don't remember them in any order, I can't really see the need for it for me personally. I take people and their types in a 'dynamic' case by case basis.

    Although I may not fully understand the question at this point.

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    I dont understand it actually. The only system I could imagine for me would be Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta but even then if for instance someone would ask me to talk about types I would probably choose either my type, or some other Delta type and go in random from there, as in would go quadra by quadra but in no specific order.
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    I dunno, I never bothered sorting out the types.

    Except when I draw up squares to get the dichotomy operations, lol.

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    I don't order them, but I definitely group them in my mind.

    Basically I map it out in my mind like a two-dimensional matrix.

    Alpha SF Alpha NT
    Beta NF Beta ST
    Gamma SF Gamma NT
    Delta NF Delta ST

    I do this sort of innie/outie sort of thing though like... hard to explain in a way, but when mapping the specific types in my mind I go:

    ESE | LII ILE | SEI
    EIE | LSI SLE | IEI
    SEE | ILI LIE | ESI
    LSE | EII IEE | SLI
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    Quote Originally Posted by tereg View Post
    I don't order them, but I definitely group them in my mind.

    Basically I map it out in my mind like a two-dimensional matrix.

    Alpha SF Alpha NT
    Beta NF Beta ST
    Gamma SF Gamma NT
    Delta NF Beta ST
    This is probably really the same thing I'm doing.

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    I don't usually order them - when I'm tracing over a few at a time, it's more like a graph trace (I have this type here, and these types are related in a way that is relevant...). When I need an order, I use this one:
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    I used the old style of XXXX, Extrovert/Introvert, Intuitive/Sensing, Thinking/Feeling, Judging/Perceiving
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    The way I do this is weird. I sort of have snapshots of the four quadras in my head and they each have an assigned location that sort of looks like this:

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    ALPHA                                            BETA                                              
    ILE Ne/SEI :Si:                                                                                                 
    ESE :Fe:/LII :Ti:                                                                                                                   
    
                            GAMMA                   IEI :Ni::Fe:
                             SEE :Se:/ILI :Ni:      :love:Se, Ti:
                             LIE :Te:/ESI :Fi:
    
    
                                                    SLE :Se::Ti:
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    DELTA                                           EIE :Fe::Ni:
    IEE :Ne:/SLI :Si:
    EII :Fi:/LSE :Te:                               LSI :Ti::Se:
    So, when I think of a type or even more so when I go through different types, I go to the pictures in my head. Also, I associate each type with one of the elements in the quadra, usually the leading function, but not always, depending on whether I'm looking for a particular element (ie. looking for someone who has Ti in ego). My mental picture of Beta is so much bigger than the others and much more complex, with endless number of feelings and vibes that go along with each element and type. Thinking of each quadra evokes a specific feeling/vibe and I see them in different colors also. Alpha, for instance, seems/feels like standing next to an open window on a sunny day. When I picture Gamma there is the background of a skyscraper. Delta feels like winter and then I sort of draw a blank, as if I don't know how to relate to it. It's "the grey corner". The feelings associated with Beta are too complex to describe; a lot of opposites and contradictions (like black and white and then every single shade in between).

    Not sure why I felt the need to go into all this. Sort of got carried away. lol.

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    I remember things related to things I find useful, which is the only reason I even know all of the types. This might be odd compared to the Ti approach most would use. In fact, I might not be using Te either.

    I have the four quadras mostly sketched out in my mind. But if I were to list all of the types, I'd start remember them like this "my dad is INTj who disliked my ESFp ex" so then I'll go...Okay so they conflict so they must be in different quadras, so...

    INTJ...that'd be one quadra, Alpha?

    ESFp...that must be what, Gamma?

    And then I fill in from there.

    INTj's dual is ESFj. ISFp would be here because that's INTj's activity (and my mom's type) and ENTp would be my ex who both my parents thought was the world's best. Done.

    ESFp's dual is INTp. And there'd also be ENTj here too, because I introduced an INTp to an ENTj and I remember they got along really well. And then there is ISFj because that's ENTj's dual.

    I also remember the intertype relations by working first from my own type...so if an INTj asked me how well she'd get along with an ESFj, I'd first see which letters were different...so only the last letter, j, is the same. And then going back to my own type I'd think "what type has only the last letter, p, the same" which would be ISTp, and I'd be like, duh, that'd be INTj's dual!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jewels View Post
    I remember things related to things I find useful, which is the only reason I even know all of the types. This might be odd compared to the Ti approach most would use. In fact, I might not be using Te either.

    I have the four quadras mostly sketched out in my mind. But if I were to list all of the types, I'd start remember them like this "my dad is INTj who disliked my ESFp ex" so then I'll go...Okay so they conflict so they must be in different quadras, so...

    INTJ...that'd be one quadra, Alpha?

    ESFp...that must be what, Gamma?

    And then I fill in from there.

    INTj's dual is ESFj. ISFp would be here because that's INTj's activity (and my mom's type) and ENTp would be my ex who both my parents thought was the world's best. Done.

    ESFp's dual is INTp. And there'd also be ENTj here too, because I introduced an INTp to an ENTj and I remember they got along really well. And then there is ISFj because that's ENTj's dual.

    I also remember the intertype relations by working first from my own type...so if an INTj asked me how well she'd get along with an ESFj, I'd first see which letters were different...so only the last letter, j, is the same. And then going back to my own type I'd think "what type has only the last letter, p, the same" which would be ISTp, and I'd be like, duh, that'd be INTj's dual!
    Wow, this would confuse the hell out of me! lol.

    Sometimes I try to do the intertype relation thing that way but I just end up mixing myself up really bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jewels View Post
    I remember things related to things I find useful, which is the only reason I even know all of the types. This might be odd compared to the Ti approach most would use. In fact, I might not be using Te either.

    I have the four quadras mostly sketched out in my mind. But if I were to list all of the types, I'd start remember them like this "my dad is INTj who disliked my ESFp ex" so then I'll go...Okay so they conflict so they must be in different quadras, so...

    INTJ...that'd be one quadra, Alpha?

    ESFp...that must be what, Gamma?

    And then I fill in from there.

    INTj's dual is ESFj. ISFp would be here because that's INTj's activity (and my mom's type) and ENTp would be my ex who both my parents thought was the world's best. Done.

    ESFp's dual is INTp. And there'd also be ENTj here too, because I introduced an INTp to an ENTj and I remember they got along really well. And then there is ISFj because that's ENTj's dual.

    I also remember the intertype relations by working first from my own type...so if an INTj asked me how well she'd get along with an ESFj, I'd first see which letters were different...so only the last letter, j, is the same. And then going back to my own type I'd think "what type has only the last letter, p, the same" which would be ISTp, and I'd be like, duh, that'd be INTj's dual!
    This is exactly how I do it! First I remember who close to me are the types. Best friend being NeTi, her recent TiNe ex, my SeFi mother, the SiTe guy I have a crush on, etc. Strange, I didn't think I ordered it at all really, but when I read the OP, I just started thinking of all the people I know and what types they were.

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    I just see four rectangles in my head all on the same plane, floating through swirling blue mist.

    On each rectangle are the 8 subtypes of that quadra. I'd have to draw where each subtype is to show you.

    Alpha Beta

    Gamma Delta
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    Quote Originally Posted by glamourama View Post
    in which order do you specifically remember the sixteen types? ...and if you use subtypes, how do you factor that in? do you even use a specific order?
    Order? wtf. I don't have any order I remember them all at once.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warlord View Post
    Order? wtf. I don't have any order I remember them all at once.
    Yeah, wth, haha. This thread confuses me so much.
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    For me it depends on why I'm thinking of them I guess. Usually it's one of two ways. Either dual pairs or by clubs (for some reason it's a little easier to think of alpha AND gamma SFs, for example, than one or the other).

    Most of the time though, yeah, it's dual pairs by quadra.
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    So no one just thinks of a type and knows its relation to the other types? You all have these complicated diagrams and orders that you have to go through each time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by calenwen View Post
    So no one just thinks of a type and knows its relation to the other types? You all have these complicated diagrams and orders that you have to go through each time?
    lol, you do? I have to figure out rules so I can remember the relations. Otherwise I've got to pull up wikisocion!
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    I still have this image in my head.

    With the image there I don't have to remember the explicit connections between functions or types...the picture just pops into my mind and I recall the spatial locations and arrows of each function, type, quadra, type's funcion orderings, supervisory and benefactory rings, etc. It gives me an instant image of how each type relates to the other without having to redo up little charts, nor try to find it again in some online reference page, nor remember a bunch of obscure names/locations to get an overview of the intertype relations, etc.

    In essence, it totally made at least half of my socionics studying a heck of a lot easier!!

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    I list them in the order Brilliand and I originally mapped out their diagrams in.
    EIE ESE SEI SLI LSE LIE ILI IEI
    LSI LII ILE IEE EII ESI SEE SLE

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    The other thing that I do in addition to the two-dimensional map I talked about before, is I can visualize the shared quadra values between two qudras.

    So, I'll see the Alpha/Beta border as Fe/Ti, Beta/Gamma border as Ni/Se, Gamma/Delta border as Fi/Te and Delta/Alpha border as Ne/Si

    It's just basically another way I group them mentally that acts as a guide to better visualize a type's relationship with the other types.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anndelise View Post
    In essence, it totally made at least half of my socionics studying a heck of a lot easier!!
    lol

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    Huh. I don't remember them in any order or system. I always start from my own type and figure it out from there, figuring out relations in my head as I go. Or I pull up the wiki if I get muddled doing it that way But there's no order for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by songofsappho View Post
    Huh. I don't remember them in any order or system. I always start from my own type and figure it out from there, figuring out relations in my head as I go. Or I pull up the wiki if I get muddled doing it that way But there's no order for me.
    same here. they're all sort of "balancing" anyhow, so you just reverse the functions for the mirrors, etc. it works something like that for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by songofsappho View Post
    Huh. I don't remember them in any order or system. I always start from my own type and figure it out from there, figuring out relations in my head as I go. Or I pull up the wiki if I get muddled doing it that way But there's no order for me.
    This is what I was trying to say. (:
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