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    Default So what are these vital functions, anyway?

    So, I was giving a fellow ESE a crash course in Socionics, and we covered the Ego block without a problem (though, that could've been the Barnum effect in action. Weak Ti, lololol).

    But, I found I didn't have a suitable explanation for the Super-Id (for the sake of simplicity, I just started with valued functions, since it worked neatly with my delicious food analogy). I wound up just regurgitating definitions.

    So, if the Ego block is a pair of "things we use, consciously", what's the Super-Id?

    Gentlemen, start your keyboards!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carla View Post
    Erm, qualities that you admire in another person and like it when they shower those things on you but that you feel pretty shit at yourself?
    Fine, fine. *hug*

    But, in terms of how you use them? How do they exist... in the person themselves?

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    They don't exist. Functions aren't some kind of subconscious mechanism that exists in your psyche. It's just a way of categorizing people's behavior.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    "Functions don't exist. Functions exist." is what you just said, imo.

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    You're oversimplifying. They exist as categorical methods of observing people's behavior, as a theory. They don't exist as actual mechanisms in our brains.

    My point is that your friend doesn't have a "super id" that you can teach him to observe. You can just tell him, "This is how this theory categorizes your behavior in this and that area."
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Ok, that's a fair answer.

    But, like, the Ego is easy to describe. "You're Fe base. You see emotions, you know how to deal with people. Information is constantly moving through your head about how peeps interact and whatnot."
    "<extended ESE-monologue about totally seeing that and when it's happened and wow this is scarily accurate lol>"

    Then I get to the Super-Id and it's like... general behaviour patterns? That seems somehow to be too radically different from the Ego. I dunno. Something's not quite clicking for me.

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    Super Id is comprised of things you generally don't pay much attention to unless you make a conscious effort to do so. You see these things as important, but you also feel an underlying lack of them. You wish you could be better at them, and consciously seek to improve yourself in areas related to them. You often seek concrete goals related to these things; although your life probably isn't based around them, as this is the purpose that ego functions primarily serve, your primary goals may be indirectly in service of these things.

    Example:

    -An SLE going into business or politics in order to have a positive reputation
    -An EII becoming a teacher in order to promote his passion for spreading knowledge
    -An IEI leaving work to study as a poet poet in order to better understand herself
    -An ILE refusing a promotion in order to have more free time and live a more comfortable lifestyle
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Good one, Gills. I like your examples, too.
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    They exist as categorical methods of observing people's behavior, as a theory. They don't exist as actual mechanisms in our brains.
    I like this. Finally some reason. +5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    I like this. Finally some reason. +5.
    Useful post.

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