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    Block EGO * the 1st position * program function * the "intuition of time"

    Balzac lives according to the principle "pospeshay slowly" and greatly it does not love, when to him tie other rates.

    It is possible to only envy so that it never anywhere hurries and never anywhere it is late. (it has even namerenno to be late it is not obtained). Transport confusions and "plug" on the roads, similarly, in no way complicate its life: despite not on what, it always arrives in time.

    In its life never it occurs nothing unforeseen, because it everything knows how to foresee. The agreement of its own forecasts sufficiently early ceases it to astonish and to gladden. It as if is born with the knowledge of all fact that will occur with it in the future, and all that which already occurred in the distant past. This, it would seem, enormous advantage over rest turns around for it by essential problem - sometimes it is begun boringly to live. So good it everything will foresee that for it as if there does not exist in the life of surprises.

    Balzac does not hurry to odarivat' all and each by his predictions, he does not go to work as "fortune teller". For it the skill to see "through the time" is too natural in order to make from this "attraction". Balzac prefers the role of teacher, who analyzes the accomplished errors and who warns against their repetition.

    No matter how is sad, but Balzac with the characteristic of it pessimism frequently fulfills the function of that most fairytale stone, which he foretells: "you will go to the right - you will lose horse, you will go to the left - head you will accumulate..." And like it remains no other possibilities, except as to turn back.

    Balzac not the one who will glorify "folly of brave". On the contrary, he will consider as his debt to in proper time warn against rash behavior, to warn about all likely dangers, the most unfavorable course of events.

    Balzac possesses the ability in the sequence of any phenomena to in proper time see the weakest component. He also will not consider for the labor to analyze, what concealed dangers it in itself conceals and what future troubles will involve.

    Balzac, as no one another, sees the original predestination of many enterprises or the inaccuracy of many late undertakings. But with entire his pessimism Balzac, in contrast to some other intui-tov, does not foretell the close end of the light. (it generally against forcing of public hysteria by means of the gloomy forecasts)

    Balzac loves philosophically to look at proceeding; therefore "comforts" by sayings of the type: "everything passes", "we all will be there", "tomorrow yet not the end of the light", "this it will pass"...

    Balzac considers that everything comes in time to that, who knows how to await. Balzac knows how to await. He knows how to fill waiting time so that it will be extended for life, having caused to his plans of no damage.

    Balzac knows how to be the owner of proper time - this makes possible for it to feel itself independent. Balzac knows how not to be subordinated to the circumstances: he prefers to use them. Without having a habit to be flattered or to be in error to its calculation, it is capable to actually estimate its own possibilities under the specific conditions, in the specific stage.

    Balzac - only, who sees the most concealed and most imperceptible tendencies of the historical development of society. He, as no one, feels the interrelation of events in the time, he understands, as proceeding today influences further motion of history. About whatever event reflected Balzac, he sees him simultaneously in the present, the past and the future. And this for it is not more than the natural perception of all vital phenomena.

    Following its constant tendency to avoid possible errors, Balzac frequently the beret to itself the role of strange observer, than gives occasion for the charge in the passive relation to the life.

    A drawback in the bal'zakovskikh warnings is the absence in them of positive alternative, in consequence of which they frequently "freeze" whose- that business activity. To avoid a quantity of their accomplished in the world errors is not begun less with entire tendency of Balzac. At least because the refusal of the selected plans to avoid the dangers, which associate their realization, already by itself can be error.

    Block EGO * 2-4 pozitsiya*Tvorcheskaya function * "business logic"

    Balzac's time is filled with the matters or by reflections about how it is better to make them. Balzac best anything works, where least of all to it they press, influence, distract or interfere, where the smallest probability of unnecessary fuss, confusion, rush work, ethical "dismantlings" or intrigues in the association.

    Internally deeply independent, Balzac in any matter attempts himself to be free from the circumstances. Whatever was heavy duty in the production, this will not influence it: it methodically and quietly masters its workday, it is convenient and razmerenno distributes its forces, alternating the different types of works and the different types of loads.

    Balzac pedantically follows the assigned indications. If the specific sequence of work is specified to it, it strictly carries out it. But, where only eventual result is required from it, but intermediate sequence is not important, it prefers to follow its own job schedule and, as far as possible, to its own rational procedures.

    It is very assiduous, with the pleasure it is occupied by labor-consuming tedious work, it thoroughly studies details. , before returning work, it attentively checks, trying not to commit errors. It is very important for Balzac so that the error analysis in his work would be timely and, most importantly, design.

    Constantly it worries about the level of its qualification. It is always grateful for the valuable indications and the councils for work.

    Greatly it survives, when its work does not obtain appreciation, this directs it on the thought about its own "profneprigodnosti". Sometimes it comes to the conclusion that more than benefit will bring, working as consultant, by instructor, by methodologist, by controller, than by simple executor.

    Greatly it loves, when to it to the instruction they send new workers. Balzac adores to instruct - this him the "sidereal hour", which it with the impatience always awaits.

    One should not teach Balzac, in which order it should be achieved its plans, when and as to it to be occupied by its matters. And already those more it does not be worth it teaching, that also as it is necessary to make. It prefers not to deal concerning those, who know "how must": he from those, who better this know for itself.

    The main thing, he knows, it does be worth carrying out this matter generally. First of all, in his opinion, one should thoroughly think over that this for the matter, to whom and for which it is necessary, and than precisely it in this matter can be useful.

    If we give some work to it, but not to appoint the period of its fulfillment, Balzac will not at all consider this as the assigned work: he either will forget about it or he ignores. It should argumentatively explain, for which it is necessary and as its performance soon is required. Only it will be able to receive task in earnest after this. This approach to the matter is explained by the tendency not to make anything excess, not to make that no one it is necessary.

    For Balzac, as for any representative of third kvadry is very important the consciousness of its own vostrebovannosti: it will not make that no one it is necessary, he wants to be free for the matters, which are actually necessary to someone. Balzac will hire to the useless work only in such a case, when he thus far was unemployed and to him now not on what to live. But subsequently it will try to find to itself a more successful use.

    Balzac from those, who "seven times will measure off" and one hundred additional times will think before "cutting off". Balzac compulsorily will think also about the consequences of his participation in by anything. Balzac tries never and by in no way not to risk. It not of those, who adjoin the opposition or the dissidentskomu motion, although it can maintain personal relations with his individual representatives. Yes even why to it, if it knows how to wait for political situation necessary to it and to use it for the realization of its plans.

    Block Of superego*e-ya pozitsiya*Normativnaya Function * "sensorika Of sensations"

    Balzac tries to make all necessary for the device of his own way of life. House of Balzac - not only his fortress: this and its spiritual and intellectual "oasis", where without fail must be located its dear and expensive to it things - dear books, the dear music, the dear portraits and photograph on the walls, the dear "memorable gifts" on the regiments.

    Balzac can comfortably be arranged, also, in one small room - main thing so that would be located the place for his "dear" armchair and for his books. Balzac loves convenient furniture, it is not important, what style, loves the mute, warm illumination. Loves to light fireplace by winter evening, loves noise of rain after the window.

    Balzac tries to be stocked "about the black day" by all by necessary. Nedualizirovannyy Balzac as far as possible buys in all "on two, on four, on six, on eight." Reliable fact: one of the representatives of this type equipped at home comfortable and convenient podval'chik, where applied entire necessary "to the case of war".

    Balzac greatly values his own comfort and sincere rest. He tries to create comfortable and convenient micro-medium around itself. With the pleasure it surrounds itself by beautiful things. It loves to gather the small collections of the works of skill, to make to itself "memorable gifts".

    It wonderfully feels itself in the comfortable and benevolent situation. It loves "to bring visits" to the hospitable and hospitable houses (but only being confident, that to it it is there actually glad). Willingly assume invitations upon the parties into the pleasant and interesting company. Previously it worries about how to conduct the advancing holidays. It loves to assume the limited circle of close friends in itself, entertaining not only by tasty food, but also by pleasant intellectual conversation about the analysis of last events in the region of culture, skill and policy. Balzac considers the evening, carry ouied without the intellectually saturated conversation, been unsuccessful. (Therefore the success of "bal'zakovskikh evenings" in the big enough degree it depends on the skill of his duala of Caesar in time to cease to lead and to leave to the second plan, without interfere witing Balzac in his intellectual initiative.)

    Balzac is always opened for the perception of new sensations. He with the children's curiosity will try new food. With the attention it will listen music new for itself. To bal'zakovskomu taste not is alien the mixing of the musical styles: it can on one cassette write down "heavy fate", and music of "baroque".

    However, some of the representatives of this type try not to encumber its rumor by music of low quality, but this already relates to Balzac's tendency to in every possible way develop its artistic taste and to create to itself the conditions of the increased comfort: then it surrounds itself by the things of the best quality, dresses dearly, beautifully and accurately (P.M. Gorbachev), he tries to be up to date in all artistic novelties - premiers, fashionable exhibitions, the concerts of "celebrities".

    For the same reason Balzac tries to with great care relate to his own health. As needed it follows its weight, it soblyudayet preventive diets, itself is subjected to easy (as far as possible) starvation, it feeds by healthy plant food.

    Special attention is given to leisure and sleep. In some representatives of this type its, individual mode of operation and leisure is added. Sometimes Balzac does not see for himself special misdeed in falling asleep, where to it this suddenly was wanted. Sometimes it is possible to see Balzac with that sleeping at the work site or even during the monotonous work, that continues it to automatically make with hands, that sleeps during the lesson, during hearing of musical program. Being sent "to the potato", Balzac can comfortably be arranged on the bed and sleep. (Kutuzov, as is known, it could fall asleep on the military council.)

    Nevertheless sensorika of sensations - this is that region, which Balzac tries in himself to develop to the conventional level. His successes in this field - guarantee of his successful dualization: Balzac's effort aesthetically to appear and to design its way of life properly rewards by attention and appreciation of his duala of Caesar, in whom with a sense of self-respect and the natural aesthetical taste everything proceeds well, and it will not suffer next to itself "unprepossessing sloven". (they are known the cases of the unsuccessful dualization in Balzacs with the underdeveloped to the norm sensorikoy of sensations). Therefore with entire unwillingness of Balzac to make above itself an excess volitional effort, it is forced be occupied to thoroughly by its own appearance, it is high-quality with the taste to improve its way of life and more often "to be published", where in it there are many more chances to meet its duala, than sitting house in its own comfortable armchair.

    Block Of superego*ya-ya the pozitsiya*Mobilizatsionnaya function * the "ethics of emotions"

    It is manifested in Balzac's tendency to fence itself from the strong emotional action, in the unwillingness to be pulled into the stressed emotional regime.

    Balzac considers it necessary to subordinate his emotions to reason - this is his the firm rule, which it strictly adheres to itself, and it constantly suggests to its environment.

    "traginervicheskikh phenomena, maidenly faintings, tears..." Balzac cannot actually suffer also in his tendency to avoid by any their price he frequently behaves to such an extent immorally, which itself involuntarily them provokes.

    Attempting to be maximally restrained in the manifestation of its own feelings, trying by anything not to reveal its true emotional state, from the fear to be implicated into any ethical intrigue, Balzac unconsciously behaves in a intriguing manner how constantly draws on itself the risk of the stormiest explanation of relations. Filling to itself demonstratively apathetic form, it in reality frequently creates falsely the significant "mask", which simultaneously and intrigues and irritates. In any case, in many of its partners appears the desire it to tear away and to examine its true face. Frequently it is as follows: the more the "mysteriousness" it to itself fills, the "steeper" with it they are investigated. ("assumed indifference" Balzac is frequently for it the means of "ethical reconnaissance" in the interrelations with the partner, testing the interest of partner in further development of relations.

    To emotionally vulnerable, easily hurt, uncertain of his attractiveness Balzac it is extremely important to know the degree of the interest in it of partner. Sometimes he uses for this this "trick": after addressing to the partner about by anything paramount meant, it suddenly makes pause and as if it is distracted to something insignificant, unnoticeably controlling the behavior of partner and waiting, when and as it appears interest in the theme touched upon. In the interrelations with Caesar this even and the method to discipline the constantly scattering attention of its duala, the attempt to concentrate its attention in itself; and also, what is very important in the process of dualization, the attempt to soizmerit' the significance of its own values with the values of its partner.)

    It stands to reason, Balzac even for himself cannot explain the true reason for his "imperturbability" (but mysteriousness in himself it generally none it sees and never its namerenno it fills - it indeed not ethics, but logician). Most frequently it behaves thus from the desire to only fence itself from the psychological discomfort, which it sees in the emotionally oversaturated psychological regime. For this very reason, as it counts, the only possibility for it to be insured - this to create the visibility of imperturbability. But since this is done mainly in the ethical situations, its partners frequently feel themselves insulted by its indifference, those more assumed. Here and it turns out that farsighted Balzac the first becomes the victim of his own backup insurance.

    Still more badly it is obtained, when Balzac begins "to equalize" the emotional state of partner, encouraging by his view or in a word. By itself this is possible and good, but in the complex ethical situation this behavior is usually received not only as "moral support", but also as encouragement, which leads to the sequential explanation of relations with all emerging emotional consequences.

    The manifestation of its own emotions for it also does not manage without complications. Because of the eternal fear to be incorrectly understood with their natural manifestation or with their intentional concealment Balzac constantly is in the confusion, when the matter concerns the expression of his own feelings. Here it encounters many problems simultaneously: sometimes it simply cannot at itself be dismantled - its feeling they seem it either insufficiently determined or by too contradictory. Furthermore, it always cannot find the suitable form for their expression, and each it will allow soak to itself to express its feelings. Frequently it fears to say anything excess in order not to encourage man and not to make it necessary then to suffer. Frequently its own emotional possibilities they seem it insufficiently studied. It can manifest its feelings in this "odd" form as the concern about the fate of its relations with the partner, warning him against connection with itself, "unworthy". It can talk about itself much wrong and unpleasant, allowing to judge, "what roses to us it prepared Gimeney". Moreover, since all this is spoken by confident and reasonable tone, almost no one will suspect after entire this piling up of contradictory reasons elementary uncertainty in itself.

    Unfortunately, to free Balzac from the uncertainty in itself - this is long, agonizingly hard and often thankless labor. One only Caesar - its dual, can manage this task successfully. Without troubling itself by reflections about the discrepancy of bal'zakovskoy ethics, it naturally implicates it into its naive, artless and sincerely- benevolent emotional game. Practice shows that any another of ethics, even nearest to it on kvadre - Dreiser, cannot successfully manage the bal'zakovskimi "ethical puzzles".

    They always frighten Balzac and irritate the inadequately expressed emotions, regardless of the fact, positive they or negative. It is sufficient one immoderate exclamation so that it would feel itself badly. Therefore Balzac painfully receives any conversation on the increased tones. This regardless of the fact, business conversation or explanation of relations, he badly itself feels in the continuous flow of the saturated emotions. Balzac does not suffer the irritated tone, but he is doomed entire life with this to encounter: in the childhood he suffers from the irritation of parents and educators, in the ripe years he irritates authorities and colleagues. Irritate, in addition it can than conveniently: by old-fashioned manners, by sluggishness or by the awkwardness of motions, by the monotony of voice, by the gentle or frightened form - yes it is small whether than, if the matter not so much in it very, as in the inconvenient relations, in which it constantly falls (as, however, and each of us).

    That already then to speak about hysterics with the tears and the reproaches, about the scandals with the beating of dishes and "heart fits" with the the valer'yankoy and "emergency medical service"... For Balzac this is simple the penalty Of gospodnya - it is only incomprehensible, for what sins. Falling into the whirlpool of hysterics, on top of that accompanied by power pressure, Balzac experiences panicky horror - the state, from which he does not know how to be pulled out. Therefore at this moment it is capable to complete the wildest, most unexpected act. (for example, similar to Pierre Bezukhov, to be swung back to the wife by marble table.)

    In any ethical awkward situation Balzac feels himself very restlessly. Sometimes in the searches for output he aggravates the created stress, no longer discussing, rights it or it is guilty, striving as it is possible faster "to ischerpat'" situation how to it this not threatened. In such minutes it is capable to the act, about which it will then possible regret, but for the moment this for it does not have a value: its reason by poly-awn is subordinated to the whirlpool of emotions, before which it is helpless, and therefore it does not belong to itself.

    Blinding by emotions for Balzac is equivalent to folly. The same he thinks also about others. Therefore it fears and hates the manifestation of sociopolitical hysteria in any form of it. As soon as appears sequential political leader- maniac or latter-day prophet- psychopath, Balzac "departs" to his well-organized podval'chik and closes there until the better time or he escapes herself somewhere "after the ocean".

    After all experienced by it in the real life shakings easy emotional discharging in the form of "terrible fairy tale on the night" (any of the film of horrors) for Balzac is not more than children's amusement. Favorite genre - comic nekrotriller (of type "families Adams").

    Humor of Balzac - its kind the method of intellectual- emotional "retribution". Sometimes it is expressed as reaction to the perceived by it psychological discomfort:

    "now, zarane celebrating,
    It began to draw in the soul of its
    Caricatures of all guests ".

    Sometimes bal'zakovskiy humor is expressed in the form of very successful epigrams. Sometimes this is the simply thin irony, painted in the gloomy tones. Bal'zakovskiy "black humor" is characterized by unique nekrooriyentatsiyey. It can Balzacs in contrast to the Hamlet and they do not philosophize above the skulls of their friends, but fairly often they joke on this theme. In Balzacs to a question of death from the childhood philosophically- ironic relation is formed. (Child- Balzacs they are frequently entertained by the figures of "skeletikov", by "zhutikami" and "horror stories".)

    Block SUPERID * the 5th pozitsiya*Suggestivnaya function * "volitional sensorika"

    Balzac respects strong, well understanding their purposes people, which do not pass before the difficulties and which confidently open to himself road - precisely these qualities possesses its dual Caesar.

    Balzac never attempts to lead, preferring to remain figure "number two" - by "shady" leader with the powerful patron.

    Simple and democratic on the nature, it does not boast dignity reached and by its influential connections. Perfectly well knowing that "everything are passed", Balzac not of those, who will place life and health for the outstanding career. Even being located on the apex of authority, it first of all of person, who does not hide his weaknesses, is gustatory and habits.

    Nevertheless Balzac possesses the deep feeling of his own merit. It knows how to respect the merit of other and knows how to require respect for itself.

    Although precisely to require to Balzac is difficult. It from those, to whom it is difficult "to gather will into the cam". Balzac does not know how and does not love to subordinate someone to his will. He also does not transfer straight volitional pressure on himself. (volitional action of Caesar, realized by ethical manipulations, is not received by it the as- suppression of its own personality. While rectilinear volitional action - "volitional sensorika" of Zhukov, Maxim or Dreiser, just as the demonstrative energetic nature of Hugo - him it suppresses.)

    For Balzac the characteristically constant polurasslablennoye state. Balzac prefers not to make excess volitional efforts, he tries to very economically expend his physical energy. Not in what, even most captivating work it not will pack more forces how this is dictated by objective need. It not of those, who will maximally "be laid out" on the "naked enthusiasm". Balzac requires respect for his own labor and its worthy payment.

    Money for Balzac be quite significant (although some representatives of this type they relate to their absence with the philosophical calmness: "money - this altogether only of the money: they come and depart"). Nevertheless by Balzac is deeply and seriously realized the advantage of money as the real lever of force and authority. Rarely you will meet Balzac, of quietly receiving their absence with the presence "minus" in the bank. On the contrary, many of them see in the money not only support for themselves, but also guaranteed possibility to realize the long ago selected plans ("only I will want - it is erected halls...")

    Accumulation of money for Balzac - this even and the method of the "conservation" of its own inserted labor, the possibility of safety and reasonable redistribution of its own forces. Money for Balzac - this the "equivalent of force", saved in the youth in order to support the future senile infirmity.

    Block OF SUPERID*'-YA the pozitsiya*Aktivatsionnaya function * the "ethics of relations"

    The problem of bal'zakovskoy ethics already in the fact that it is not located in a constant center of its attention - this is its type passive, steady value and not more. Balzac is interested in obtaining of information with this aspect, him they inspire sincere interest and the appeared to it sympathy. Benevolent relation impels it to the noble emotional outbursts, which are expressed in the concrete friendly services.

    Those relations, which Balzac can subordinate to his reason, are added in it comparatively satisfactorily: Balzac is predisposed to be good and responsive friend, thoughtful family man, who sincerely loves its close ones. Soft and yielding on the nature, that knows how (when desired) to be tactful, delicate and self-possessed, that knows how to respect a sense of self-respect, not suffering intrigue, not capable of namerenno to bad behavior, Balzac, it would seem, was insured against the "ethical troubles".

    But it is explained on closer examination, that also in this plan in it appear numerous problems. Simplest example: Balzac, it is unnoticeable for itself, has habit to break conversation, as soon as it ceases to be for it meaningful, without worrying about the sensations of awkwardness, which will then survive its collocutor, and about which he will compose opinion about his good breeding. In this case by it is only examined the factor of the expediency of continuing of "bezinformativnoy" conversation and fear apropos of "for nothing" spent time. Let us assume that this single case yet does not promise serious ethical complications, but, since the relations are constructed from the sequential chain of such "single cases", in each of them for Balzac there is a real danger to unconsciously appear its neetichnost', which under the conditions for the stressed intertipnykh relations can be received as realized or intended.

    Problems begin already when relations only are formed: from one side, in view of his exceptional ability to foresee Balzac from the very beginning sometimes sees the exemplary motion of the course of events, and this means that it can sufficiently rapidly lose interest to them, than it risks to offend its partner and to provoke the unhealthy explanation of relations.

    The different version, when Balzac in spite of his own reason nevertheless yields to the feelings: with the unfavorable intertipnykh relations this creates additional emotional stress, as a result of which its contradictory and unethical behavior only aggravate problem.

    , in addition, you will not take away in Balzac his constant tendency "to equalize" the emotional state of partner! Preaching principle "you learn to rule itself", it frequently places itself to the ridiculous in the absurd position (especially, if its collocutor - ethics), for which for it it then is necessary to pay with its own personal disorder and forced solitude.

    And these are yet not all its problems. Subconsiously disposed to Caesar - the bright, strong and richly gifted personality, Balzac constantly expects "crane in the sky", preferring not to exchange for the insignificant "titmice". Sometimes, more relying on its own foresight, than to the real observation, it even does not allow oneself the labor in time to examine in the sequential titmouse of the desired crane, subsequently repeatedly of sozhaleya about the missed possibilities ("Uzhel' that Tatiana herself...")

    Furthermore, to Balzac frequently it is to difficult recognize after itself the presence of some deficiencies. Practice shows that sometimes, encountering with the real embodiment of their ideal, i.e. when approach the type of partner, and his external and internal qualities, even then it teaches to copy its own failures to some objective qualities of partner, which personally in no way arrange him. (possibly, fable "fox and grapes" it was written by Balzacs for itself.)

    Irrespectively of its individual qualities precisely the device of personal life frequently causes in Balzac serious difficulties. Specifically, here all "weak points" its psychological type "work" against it: and passive relation to the life, and deep pessimism, and the unwillingness to make an excess effort, and fear before the possible experiences, and the lack of understanding of basic ethical concepts, and the overestimation of its own possibilities. The absence at least of one of these conditions would substantially facilitate to it the solution of problem.

    Nevertheless its own negative experience does not prevent Balzacs from sufficiently successfully working in the sphere of the ethics of relations. Good, patient and responsive, they frequently become the dear teachers and educators. Many of the representatives of this type magnificently practice in the field of psychology. And, it goes without saying, success in the field of the literature, when they describe ethical intrigue, understanding the ethics of relations intuitively and relying on their deep (subconsious) ethical values.

    Block ID*"-ya pozitsiya*Nablyudatel'naya function * the" intuition of possibilities "

    Impression is created, what Balzac consciously does not desire to see the positive tendencies in its surrounding phenomena - and he actually this does not desire. Only not osoznanno, but it is subconsious.

    Of all observed by it possibilities it subconsiously notes only those, in which it assumes the concealed danger. (in this it it sees its destination.)

    In understanding of Balzac, are positive only those possibilities, which are least negative. In other words: is best anything that least of all is bad. Therefore the bal'zakovskoye observation of potential possibilities - this first of all calculation and the analysis of all "minuses".

    The uzkopessimisticheskiy analysis of observations is explained by the subconsious orientation of Balzac to the exorbitant optimism of its duala of Caesar and is unique protection from it. Therefore bal'zakovskiy pessimism constantly "collects" the necessary "safety factor": and itself "to insure", and duala "to cool".

    (try to convince Balzac that his fears are useless - it is irritated, and in it immediately appears the expression of fright in the eyes. It actual becomes terribly, and first of all for itself.)

    Force of bal'zakovskoy intuition - in its "positive" pessimism, which makes it possible to consider all possible complications in the realization of its plans. Making it necessary to subconsiously calculate the time of the fulfillment of work taking into account vynuzhdenno of the decreased rates: to the "rocking", to the fatigue, to the distracting interferences, to the unforeseen complications.

    Balzac - only, who considers this factor of the expenditure of time as the sluggishness of any undertaking. In any business he tries to insure himself by the necessary material base - "safety factor", taking into account the sluggishness of "rocking".

    Balzac never relies on rapid success and rapid incomes - this he considers unpardonable adventurism.

    He tries to go not "right through" (and its duala from this it warns), but "in the circuit". Knows how and itself to leave the difficult situation and others will learn, as this to make.

    Of its insight and to foresight it is possible to only envy: it is careful, farsighted, laconic. It prefers not to give the far reaching advice, he always tries to prompt output from the concrete difficult situation.

    It advertises nothing excess - namerenno of nedemonstrativen, it gives no promises "in advance". It is not inclined to take to the faith whose- or sensational ideas, itself tries to be dismantled at everything.

    Frequently it demolishes itself apropos of its own missed possibilities - inevitable consequence of its passively observant relation to the life.

    Block ID*8-YA pozitsiya*Demonstrativnaya Function * The "logic Of relations"

    Balzac in any situation tries to appear objective. He with the pleasure demonstrates this his quality.

    But acting in the interests of "absolute objectivity", it frequently falls into the awkward position: thinking about the absolute validity of its behavior, frequently forgets their ethical aspect - "it is correct with respect to whom?"

    In any dispute Balzac holds demonstrative neutrality, trying no one not "to accompany". Its relation to any act it expresses not as particular, personal opinion, but seemingly advances certain, as it it seems, objective and correct evaluation. Balzac loves himself to place in the position of judge for it characteristically not simple to voice his opinion, namely "to carry judgment" for each question (even if to it it is proposed to only discuss theme).

    Balzac's reasonings are characterized by accuracy, laconicism and a fundamental understanding of the very essence of things. Ease and simplicity of its statements shake and enrapture. To fall under for the bal'zakovskoye profound arrangement of spirit - this enormous "is intellectual enjoyment". This is always richest material for the reflections. This of the sayings, which it is desirable to absorb and to utter as its own. When you listen to Balzac's reasonings, involuntarily appears the desire to walk after it by track "with the parchment" and to write each word.

    Balzac prefers not to encumber his memory by encyclopaedic information, and although an enormous quantity of exclusively erudite people is encountered among the representatives of this type, Balzac first of all strikes with the depth of his knowledge.

    Balzac loves and knows how to learn, trying to obtain new information consecutively and gradually so that this would not leave far beyond the framework of its observations: first of all of it the connections between the already studied phenomena interest.

    Accepting new information, Balzac immediately tries to connect it into the already existing system of knowledge. The information, which contradicts the prevailing systems or destroys them, it accepts very critically.

    To Balzac unusually blind admiration before the authorities. Referring to someone, it supports its statement by precise and appropriate quotation, always explaining, what relation it has to its reasonings.

    Balzac frequently supports his reasonings by instructive parable. Sometimes parable presents instead of the reasonings, so that to listener there remains only to guess, this was said to what. In actuality Balzacs are frequently "covered" by parable, attempting to discuss about the fact that badly yields to their understanding as, for example, the aspect of the ethics of emotion or ethics of relations.

    Balzac does not see crime in discussing simultaneously about everything. It is ready to catch any theme, being freely switched with one to another. This occurs not because to it it is difficult to be concentrated on by something one - these are the natural dynamics of its intellect, subconsiously disposed to the weak function on the analogous aspect in its duala of Caesar, who unnoticeably for himself jumps over from one question to another. Balzac each new theme intertwines in the common course of his reasonings so that the entirety of logical connection in this case is not disrupted.

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    bump cuz this is really good. i dig the description of Ni. its hard to explain to people without coming off as some sort of crazy mystic, this does a good job.

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    This is fantastic. I was going to put up a post asking for ideas on creating a customized model A for each type, but it appears that this Szyqtwyqwtzyqtwzyqtwzqwzsky has already done it.

    Not that I know what it is to "pospeshay slowly."

    Are these descriptions online somewhere? I could use Babelfish to try to read them, but I'd need to know where to find them first....

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    They are on www.socionics.org , but babelfish doesn't work there anymore after a change in their background code or whatever.

    This still works:
    http://webtranslation.imtranslator.net
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan
    Not that I know what it is to "pospeshay slowly."
    "Hurry slowly." Probably a saying. Meaning (IMO): even if you're in a hurry, it's much better if you take your time.

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    It is possible to only envy so that it never anywhere hurries and never anywhere it is late. (it has even namerenno to be late it is not obtained). Transport confusions and "plug" on the roads, similarly, in no way complicate its life: despite not on what, it always arrives in time.
    I wonder if though if the INTp that S..kaya describes is the same INTp that many people are thinking of in these forums. In many discussiones, INTp is described as someone in his/her own world, somewhat obvlious to time....similar to the MBTI INTP. But it appears that isn't what S..kaya has in mind.

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    Due to the almost hopeless language in this description of the INTp type, I have not taken full notice of it before. Now I finally have, after Expat said in one of his posts that he considered it to be accurate. And I completely agree.

    What Stratiyevskaya describes here is indeed the very same type as the INTP type in MBTI. Almost every part of its content is a true and accurate description of myself, and most MBTI descriptions of INTPs are also very accurate descriptions of me. The MBTI and the socionic descriptions focus on slightly different things, but they are both definitely describing the same type -- there is no question about that.

    Neither this socionic description of INTps, nor the MBTI descriptions of INTPs are mixtures of two or more types. They are describing the same type, and that type is the type which I am a representative of. The descriptions are not contradicting each other. They complement each other, and together they give us a correct and many-faceted understanding of the INTP/INTp type.

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    Bumped for sticky.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Transigent

    Block EGO * 2-4 pozitsiya*Tvorcheskaya function * "business logic"

    Balzac's time is filled with the matters or by reflections about how it is better to make them. Balzac best anything works, where least of all to it they press, influence, distract or interfere, where the smallest probability of unnecessary fuss, confusion, rush work, ethical "dismantlings" or intrigues in the association.
    If I am translating correctly this senence is, "Balzac fills his time with matters and reflections on how to make better use of his time." This is really important. Even if I am not INTp- this is what I consider the most important element of my personality-- "How I currently spend my time and how I can make better use of it."
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    Quote Originally Posted by heath
    Quote Originally Posted by Transigent

    Block EGO * 2-4 pozitsiya*Tvorcheskaya function * "business logic"

    Balzac's time is filled with the matters or by reflections about how it is better to make them. Balzac best anything works, where least of all to it they press, influence, distract or interfere, where the smallest probability of unnecessary fuss, confusion, rush work, ethical "dismantlings" or intrigues in the association.
    If I am translating correctly this senence is, "Balzac fills his time with matters and reflections on how to make better use of his time." This is really important. Even if I am not INTp- this is what I consider the most important element of my personality-- "How I currently spend my time and how I can make better use of it."
    That is not how I understand that passage. Here is my very free "translation":

    "Balzac likes to spend time reflecting upon how to improve things, how to make them better. Balzac works best when no one presses him, or tries to influence, distract or interfere. He doesn't like unnecessary fuss, confusion, rush work, ethical "dismantlings" or intrigues."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phaedrus
    Quote Originally Posted by heath
    Quote Originally Posted by Transigent

    Block EGO * 2-4 pozitsiya*Tvorcheskaya function * "business logic"

    Balzac's time is filled with the matters or by reflections about how it is better to make them. Balzac best anything works, where least of all to it they press, influence, distract or interfere, where the smallest probability of unnecessary fuss, confusion, rush work, ethical "dismantlings" or intrigues in the association.
    If I am translating correctly this senence is, "Balzac fills his time with matters and reflections on how to make better use of his time." This is really important. Even if I am not INTp- this is what I consider the most important element of my personality-- "How I currently spend my time and how I can make better use of it."
    That is not how I understand that passage. Here is my very free "translation":

    "Balzac likes to spend time reflecting upon how to improve things, how to make them better. Balzac works best when no one presses him, or tries to influence, distract or interfere. He doesn't like unnecessary fuss, confusion, rush work, ethical "dismantlings" or intrigues."
    I agree with your translation, Phaedrus, that it's "how to improve things, etc."

    INTp's do not care about "efficiency of time" much at all. I know that for sure.

    It's all about looking at what others have made and making those things better in theory (not actually *making* them in many cases, just virtual models, depending on what it is, of course.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazymaisy
    INTp's do not care about "efficiency of time" much at all. I know that for sure.

    It's all about looking at what others have made and making those things better in theory (not actually *making* them in many cases, just virtual models, depending on what it is, of course.)
    I completely agree. A good way of putting it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazymaisy
    INTp's do not care about "efficiency of time" much at all. I know that for sure.

    It's all about looking at what others have made and making those things better in theory (not actually *making* them in many cases, just virtual models, depending on what it is, of course.)
    I don't think I completely agree with that. I get very irate when delayed unexpectedly. I form rigid expectations of what comes next, and if those are not met it feels like a very big problem. When absolutely necessary I can change my expectations, but not fluidly. It is always a matter of wanting to know absolutely, ahead of time, what is coming down the pike.

    In all introverts, the creative and critical traits are extroverted. Neither of these is very practical. So the fact that we are focused on theoretical improvements of the ideas and models of others isn't necessarily of help in differentiating INTj and INTp. What is helpful is to notice that we are more amiably disposed to creatively clarifying things logically, but more harshly trying to cut down on the amount of intuitively oriented confusion and "noise".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phaedrus
    Due to the almost hopeless language in this description of the INTp type, I have not taken full notice of The MBTI and the socionic descriptions focus on slightly different things, but they are both definitely describing the same type -- there is no question about that.

    Neither this socionic description of INTps, nor the MBTI descriptions of INTPs are mixtures of two or more types. They are describing the same type. The descriptions are not contradicting each other.

    Great to see that more and more people are agreeing that MBTI and Socionics described the same types.

    I hate those rumours of switching J and P and whatever shit is on the internet.

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    The differences are more profound than that. MBTI seems to be more of a personality type theory than anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    The differences are more profound than that. MBTI seems to be more of a personality type theory than anything.
    and you would call socioinics what?

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    Socionics is about information metabolism and intertype relations. Socionics identicals could have different personalities.
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    i would argue that such a difference is not really well defined or distinct at all.


    but i think it's basically a rhetorical dissension.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    Socionics is about information metabolism and intertype relations. Socionics identicals could have different personalities.
    I agree - Socionics is more a typology regarding society (the 'Socion') than personality, the roles people fill and how they interact.
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