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    Quote Originally Posted by mrkotkins View Post
    INTp, ISTj these two would be my first picks

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    Knowing very little about him (i.e. including rarely hearing him speak or coming across anything about his personality), Messi seems like someone with a IP temperament ( visually though he reminds me of De Niro and also probably a few people I consider IEI).
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    US plays Mexico this Saturday

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    Cristiano Ronaldo - SLE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trevor View Post
    ISTj would be my wild VI guess for Michael Ballack.

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    Are there any LSE?

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    Quote Originally Posted by summerprincess View Post
    Cristiano Ronaldo - SLE
    Ronaldo : EIE. SLEs don't cry when their partners don't let him score a goal. Ronaldo does

    Players usually let SLEs score goals so that they don't get their ass kicked by the commander
    ILE "Searcher"
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    MBTI: ENTJ "Field Marshall" or ENTP "Inventor"
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    Ronaldo : EIE. SLEs don't cry when their partners don't let him score a goal. Ronaldo does

    Players usually let SLEs score goals so that they don't get their ass kicked by the commander
    Not to mention his free kick poses and faces. You can feel the drama and the tension through the TV lol. He is such a drama queen and a half.
    (He is also very concerned for poor people and donates a lot of money towards charities for the 3rd world-Africa especially. I kinda doubt an SLE would do this)

    Yeah, I can see him as an EIE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa View Post
    US plays Mexico this Saturday
    US plays Mexico every single day and it is LOSING, LOSING, LOSING. Economically, politically, take your pick. I wholly agree with Trump on this one-the things that are happening are just sad. If US loses even in football to Mexico, it'll be just the final nail .

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    Cristiano Ronaldo: EIE aka Real Madrid's best player
    Zinedine Zidane: SLI aka Real Madrid's coach

    I predict that their relationship won't work
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    I don't know about the other ones, but I agree on Cristiano Ronaldo being ENFj. Neymar JR is no SLE, I think he is SEE. I've never seen him focusing on logic once in his interviews.

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    BARCELONA

    Messi: SLI
    Neymar: SLE
    Luis Suárez: SEE
    Piqué: SLE
    Jordi Alba: LSE
    Mascherano: LSE
    Rakitic: SLI
    Iniesta: SLI
    Xavi: ILI or SLI
    Puyol: SLI > LSE

    REAL MADRID

    Cristiano Ronaldo: EIE
    Benzama: LSI
    Zidane: LSI
    Gareth Bale: SLI > LSE
    Sergio Ramos: LSE
    Iker Casillas: SLI
    Modric: IEI
    James Rodríguez: beta/gamma
    Isco: SLI

    ATLÉTICO

    Simeone: LSI
    Godín: LSI
    Koke: SLE
    Gaby: LSI
    Fernando Torres: IEE

    OTHER

    Mourinho: ILI
    Guardiola: LIE
    Johan Cruyff: LSE
    Pellegrini: LIE
    Van Gaal: ILE
    Klopp: ILE
    Ferguson: LSI
    Rafa Benítez: LSE
    Ancelotti: LSE
    Wenger: LII
    Maradona: SEE
    Pelé: ESE
    Stoichkov: SLE
    Ronald Koeman: LSI
    Ronaldinho: SEE
    Heynckes: SLI
    ILE "Searcher"
    Socionics: ENTp
    DCNH: Dominant --> perhaps Normalizing
    Enneagram: 7w6 "Enthusiast"
    MBTI: ENTJ "Field Marshall" or ENTP "Inventor"
    Astrological sign: Aquarius

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    Wesley Sneijder?


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    Could be ESI?
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    Sneijder doesn't seem to have many English interviews at all...

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    Sneijder seems LSI-Ti. I see a lot of wrong typings. Neymar as SLE is a joke... He is SEI. An arrogant one, but he is. And about Cristiano and Zidane being in a conflict relationship, Gulenko already made an article criticizing this myth. Conflict relationship can be one of the best Relationships. They're almost Duals, and we can consider Zidane a very healthy SLI, so they seem to be having a good relation. Cristiano is also a relatively healthy EIE, a successful and good guy.

    Barcelona is Si valuing. Real Madrid is Se valuing (high for Beta).

    Stegen: LSI
    Mascherano: LSE
    Rakitic: IEE
    Busquets: SEE
    Piqué: IEE
    Messi: SLI
    Daniel Alves: LSI
    Neymar: SEI
    Iniesta: SLI
    Suárez: ESE
    Jordi Alba: IEE



    Others:

    Xavi: SLI
    Puyol: ESE
    Villa: SEE
    Sanchez: ESI

    All actual Barça players, except for Stegen and Busquets, are Si valuing. There are no Ni Egos. Stegen has 4D Si.

    Their new signing André Gomes from Valencia is ILE-Ti. Paco Alcácer seems SLI-Si.

    REAL MADRID:

    Navas: ESI
    Ramos: SLE
    Kroos: EIE
    Pepe: LSI
    Benzema: LSI
    Cristiano Ronaldo: EIE
    Bale: EIE
    Casemiro: ESI
    Marcelo: LSI
    Carvajal: LSI
    Modric: SEI


    Morata: SEE
    James Rodríguez: ESI

    Except for Modric, not
    even one more Si valuing player. Casillas was SLI, but went away. And you can see their calm energy is very contrasting to their teammates, who are way more intense and agressive.

    Real Madrid is Se. Barcelona is Si.
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    OTHER

    Mourinho: LIE > LSE
    Guardiola: LIE
    Ferguson: SLE
    Ancelotti: SLE
    Maradona: SLE
    Ronaldo "Fenomeno": ESI
    Robinho: SEE


    BORUSSIA DORTMUND:

    Marco Reus SLI
    Gotze IEE
    Schurlle LSE
    Aubameyang SEI
    Kagawa ESI


    MANCHESTER UNITED (high Fi)

    Ibrahimovic: SLI
    Pogba: ESI
    Rooney: LSI
    Mkhitaryan: SLI
    Martial: SEE
    Rashford: ESI
    Juan Mata: LSI
    De Gea: LSI


    New Brazilian players:

    Gabriel Jesus (Man City): ESI
    Gabriel "Gabigol" (Inter Milan): SEE
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    Arda Turan is one of the few Se valuing in Barcelona. ESTp Zhukov.



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    David Beckham - difficult. ISTj (Maxim)?



    Pavel Nedved: ENFp (Huxley) or INFj (Dostoyevsky)? Similar to Rakitic. I think both are IEEs.
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    Harry Kane: ISTj - LSI (Maxim). Top Premier League scorer.




    Jamie Vardy: ESTj - LSE (Stirlitz) Best player of the Premier League.






    Mahrez: ESFj - ESE (Hugo) PFA Player Of The Year 2015-16.

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    Not sure about LSE for Vardy, but Thierry Henry seems like one to me. Thoughts @Maritsa @Sol?




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    Thierry Henry - not ESTJ, seems N type
    Jamie Vardy - not ESTJ too
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    Vardy is total ESTj-Te. Tense expression, cold, angry, agressive, skinny, high energy, expressive in gestures.

    My guess for Henry would be ENTj-Ni. A relaxed, cool, but logical person. I think LIE-Ni is the most friendly logical type. Henry is an analytical guy, as I watched him teaching tactics in a video. NT temperament fits him. He has the same eyes of an LIE-Ni friend of mine.

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    Mesut Ozil - ISTp - SLI (Gabin)



    David Luiz - ISFp - SEI (Dumas).



    Diego Costa - ISTj - LSI (Maxim)



    Eden Hazard - ENTj - LIE (Jack London)




    Antonio Conte - INFp - IEI (Yesenin)?



    Philipe Coutinho - ISTj - LSI (Maxim)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dionysius View Post
    Vardy is total ESTj-Te. Tense expression, cold, angry, agressive, skinny, high energy, expressive in gestures.

    My guess for Henry would be ENTj-Ni. A relaxed, cool, but logical person. I think LIE-Ni is the most friendly logical type. Henry is an analytical guy, as I watched him teaching tactics in a video. NT temperament fits him. He has the same eyes of an LIE-Ni friend of mine.
    He looks like an LSE friend of mine but LIE works too.

    Still unsure about Vardy, just doesn't seem Te-base like Henry does.

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    What type do you think Vardy is, then?

    He is clearly a Sensing type, and Logical. Very cold. But his gaze is expressive, is an extrovert. He is obviously not SLE, so the only option is LSE. He actually looks exactly like an LSE I know. LSEs are often skinny and have this tense, frozen look in their faces. People tend to think that LSEs are all businessman. No, there are plenty LSE athletes...

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    Yaya Touré - ESFp - SEE (Napoleon)



    Kevin De Bruyne - INFj - EII (Dostoyevsky)*



    İlkay Gündoğan - ISTp - SLI (Gabin)



    Nolito - ISFj - ESI (Dreiser)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dionysius View Post
    What type do you think Vardy is, then?

    He is clearly a Sensing type, and Logical. Very cold. But his gaze is expressive, is an extrovert. He is obviously not SLE, so the only option is LSE. He actually looks exactly like an LSE I know. LSEs are often skinny and have this tense, frozen look in their faces. People tend to think that LSEs are all businessman. No, there are plenty LSE athletes...
    Not sure but LSE doesn't seem right. Will have to revisit videos at some point to know why.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dionysius View Post
    Kevin De Bruyne - ENFp - IEE (Huxley)
    De Bruyne is definitely not an extrovert...


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    In a first glance, I can agree. He looks INFj - EII. Makes sense!

    IEE and EII are sometimes very similar. First EII player I see. They're very rare!

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    I took some time to list all great players I've watched in the last 20 years, in the most important football positions: midfield, wings and striking position. I've confirmed a pattern that member 1981slater has spotted, which is that wingers are most often Dynamic, while Statics tend to play more on central positions of the field. Probably this has to do with Dynamics having a variable metabolism, therefore being more creative and more fluid in dribbling, while Statics having a more stable metabolism, maintaining the system solid with tactical organization, good positioning, high self-confidence, growing stronger in adversities. Another interesting pattern is that most great midfielders are Introverts: probably an indication that to play at top level on the midfield you have to be more introspective - think before act. Actually around 70% of the greatest players on my list are Introverts. Probably the Extraverts are more impulsive, undisciplined, less concentrated, lowing their performance level in comparison to Introverts. Classic examples are Adriano (SLE) and Ronaldinho (SEE), who were among the best in the world at 2006, but due to lack of focus had their quality fall down dramatically at a young age.

    Wingers


    Giggs SLI
    Cristiano Ronaldo EIE
    Messi SLI
    Bale EIE
    Neymar SEI
    Henry LIE
    Ronaldinho SEE
    Robben LIE
    Ribery LSE
    Di María SLI
    Hazard LIE
    Mahrez ESE
    Duff LSE
    Giuly SLI


    Strikers


    Ronaldo ESI
    Van Nistelrooy SLE
    Romário SEE
    Adriano SLE
    Drogba SEE
    Batistuta ILE
    Van Basten LSI
    Weah SEE
    Crespo LSI
    Vieri LSI
    Shevchenko ESI
    Ibrahimovic SLI
    Totti SLE
    Rooney LSI
    Suárez ESE
    Lewandowski EIE/LIE
    Cantona LSE
    Shearer LSI
    Bergkamp LIE
    Kluivert ESI
    Eto'o LSI
    Forlán SEI
    Owen IEE
    Morientes SLI
    Raúl ESI

    Midfielders


    Xavi SLI
    Iniesta SLI
    Pirlo IEI
    Gerrard ESI
    Lampard ESI
    Beckham LSI
    Zidane SLI
    Modric SEI
    Kroos EIE
    Pirés SLI
    Vieira SEE
    Ballack LIE
    Scholes SLI
    Roy Keane SLI
    Seedorf SEE
    Gattuso ILE
    Kaká ESI
    Xabi Alonso SLI
    Nedved IEE
    Deco EII
    Aimar SLI
    Rui Costa ESI
    Riquelme SLE
    Karagounis SLI
    Figo SLI
    Verón SLI
    Ozil SLI
    Fábregas LIE
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    Great Intuitive players:



    Batistuta - ENTp - ILE (Don Quixote)



    Deco - INFj - EII (Dostoyevsky)
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    Which type is Renato Sanches? @Dionysius



    As for Joachim Löw, he's LIE-Ni imo. I observed in his German interviews that he can show some extent of Fe adaptation/accomodation for short moments, ILI is not fitting. An overall person, INCREDIBLY logical it's amazing. T-lead at least, not intuitive lead.
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    Yes, Joachim Low has some facial features of an LIE but he also resembles Arsene Wenger (Arsenal coach) who is LII

    I think Low is clearly a Logical type, highly likely a Rational type, and looks NT, so he would be LII or LIE

    But his demeanor is introspective, definitely with a much more inwardly focused energy, which means he is INTj (Robespierre)

    His Se Polr (over Se HA) is very clear in his calm, non-agressive style, peaceful man, not intense at all. Compare him to LIE coaches like Guardiola and Mourinho who are always gesticulating, and cannot relax at the side of the field (Si Polr), also very expressive. Opposite of Low.



    By the way, his wife looks Si Ego, which fits with Ne Ego. Likely a soft ISTp (SLI).



    Well, Renato Sanchez is clearly Beta ST, seems ISTj-Se (Maxim), due to his introspective gaze, and also by his facial features which are sharp and rectangular, very typical of ISTj-Ses.



    Actually, Bayern Munchen is full of ISTjs:



    Douglas Costa - ISTj-Ti - LSI (Maxim)



    Thomas Muller - ISTj-Ti - LSI (Maxim)



    Kimmich - ISTj-Ti - LSI (Maxim)



    What about Neuer? The best goalkeeper in the world?
    Guess what?

    ISTj-Ti - LSI (Maxim)

    Boring...

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    i just watched an interview with joshua kimmich because he VIs SLE to me in the above picture, and yep... SLE.

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    @Dionysius

    Awesome, you even gave more input on München. Cool! <3 What do you think about Lewandowski, Hummels? Also, your reasoning why Götze is IEE?
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    Kimmich is an obvious LSI. haha...

    Hummels is EIE. Charming, expressive, extravert, serious, leader.

    Lewandowski is one of the hardest I've seen to type. He looks LIE but he could also be EIE. Maybe he has a strong Te Role so he makes us think he is LIE. EIEs are actors... He looks more like an artist than a businessman. So yes, he could be EIE. But as I said, it's hard. So, we have Bayern Munchen with a lot of LSIs and EIEs. Interesting.

    Now, Gotze is another hard one. I think the Intuitive players are generally harder to type. Socionists say that EIE and IEE are the most difficult to spot, cause they fake their personality very well. He is an obvious Ethical type, and also Intuitive. Has a detached gaze, not sensory. Now, he is not EII, cause he is not that serious, neither EIE, cause he is not that expressive. I typed him as IEE cause he is a great friend of Schurlle, who is LSE, and Reus, who is SLI. So I thought they're all of the same quadra. But he has some IEI facial expressions. Although, I would still stick with IEE cause he has a somewhat superficial vibe, an outwardly focused energy. I don't see a strong Ti in him, but more of a Ti Polr. Maybe that's why he didn't do well in Bayern Munchen... with so many conflictors! LSIs everywhere!!! Lol. In Dortmund, Schurlle and Reus are great friends of him, of his same quadra: Delta. Aumabeyang is also Alpha.

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    Bayern Munchen = Betas
    Borussia Dortmund = Deltas

    Similar rivalry as Barça and Real, who are also Delta x Beta. Interesting.



    Hummels - EIE-Fe - ENFj (Hamlet)



    Lewandowksi EIE-Ni - ENFj (Hamlet)


    Gotze IEE-Ne - ENFp (Huxley)


    Andre Schurlle LSE-Te - ESTj (Stierlitz)



    Marco Reus SLI-Te - ISTp (Gabin)

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    Barcelona:

    Lionel Messi SLI-Te - ISTp (Gabin)



    Andreas Iniesta SLI-Te - ISTp (Gabin)



    Gerard Piqué IEE-Fi - ENFp (Huxley)



    Jordi Alba IEE-Ne - ENFp (Huxley)



    Neymar SEI-Fe - ISFp (Dumas)



    Luis Suárez ESE-Fe - ESFj (Hugo)



    André Gomes ILE-Ti - ENTp (Don Quixote)



    Luis Enrique LSE-Te - ESTj (Stierlitz)



    Javier Mascherano LSE-Si - ESTj (Stierlitz)


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    Real Madrid:

    Cristiano Ronaldo EIE-Ni - ENFj (Hamlet)



    Gareth Bale EIE-Ni - ENFj (Hamlet)



    Toni Kroos EIE-Fe - ENFj (Hamlet)



    Sergio Ramos SLE-Ti - ESTp (Zhukov)



    Pepe LSI-Se - ISTj (Maxim)



    Karim Benzema SLI-Te - ISTp (Gabin)



    Luka Modric SEI-Si - ISFp (Dumas)

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    PSG just won 4-0 against Barcelona, the best team in the world

    Great players in PSG:

    Marco Verrati - ENFj-Ni - EIE (Hamlet)



    Edinson Cavani - ISTj-Ti - LSI (Maxim)



    Julian Draxler - ENFp-Fi - IEE (Huxley)



    Angel Di María - ISTp-Si - SLI (Gabin)



    Two dualities in the offensive side of the field. Interesting!

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