One Enneagram/Socionics inconsistency which could lead to the downfall of

[Ezra]

...the entire compatibility of the two systems.

We agree that Fives can be ILIs, yes? And that they can be LIIs?

Well, the stereotypical Two is an ESE.

That means any 2-5 relations described in the literature should be a total headfuck of a contradiction.

[machintruc]

...the entire compatibility of the two systems.

We agree that Fives can be ILIs, yes? And that they can be LIIs?

Well, the stereotypical Two is an ESE.

That means any 2-5 relations described in the literature should be a total headfuck of a contradiction.

Enneagram isn't "incompatible" with Socionics. It just has noobish descriptions of physiological types.

Enneagram comes from the Sufi tradition, and this caused Enneagram to fill itself with stereotypes. Such as "E5s are all a bunch of stupid introverts", or "E8s can be cool and magnanimous". (that's why you should go for Model Phi, it doesn't follow Sufi caricatures, and doesn't describe you Eights as cool people)

[Brilliand]

...the entire compatibility of the two systems.

We agree that Fives can be ILIs, yes? And that they can be LIIs?

Well, the stereotypical Two is an ESE.

That means any 2-5 relations described in the literature should be a total headfuck of a contradiction.

My solution is that the Enneagram does not describe relationships. It describes motivations, which can be respected by any type. If the literature describes enneagram relationships, ignore it.

[ArchonAlarion]

My solution is that the Enneagram does not describe relationships. It describes motivations, which can be respected by any type. If the literature describes enneagram relationships, ignore it.

yep

[Wynch]

Except 7s and 4s...

O.O

[Brilliand]

Except 7s and 4s...

O.O

ENTps and ISFps or ESFjs and INFps?

[Gilly]

Or SLEs and IEIs. Or SEEs and ILIs.

[Brilliand]

Except 7s and 4s...

O.O

Oh... you're saying 7s and 4s can't respect each others' motivations?

[Ezra]

My solution is that the Enneagram does not describe relationships. It describes motivations, which can be respected by any type. If the literature describes enneagram relationships, ignore it.

What, because you tell me to?

Or SLEs and IEIs. Or SEEs and ILIs.

Yeah. Fours and Eights are actually very compatible in both socionics and Enneagram literature.

Not sure about Sevens and Fives (if that's what you're alluding to with the second example), but I think Eights and Fives are supposed to be quite compatible.