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    ...the entire compatibility of the two systems.

    We agree that Fives can be ILIs, yes? And that they can be LIIs?

    Well, the stereotypical Two is an ESE.

    That means any 2-5 relations described in the literature should be a total headfuck of a contradiction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra View Post
    ...the entire compatibility of the two systems.

    We agree that Fives can be ILIs, yes? And that they can be LIIs?

    Well, the stereotypical Two is an ESE.

    That means any 2-5 relations described in the literature should be a total headfuck of a contradiction.
    Enneagram isn't "incompatible" with Socionics. It just has noobish descriptions of physiological types.

    Enneagram comes from the Sufi tradition, and this caused Enneagram to fill itself with stereotypes. Such as "E5s are all a bunch of stupid introverts", or "E8s can be cool and magnanimous". (that's why you should go for Model Phi, it doesn't follow Sufi caricatures, and doesn't describe you Eights as cool people)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra View Post
    ...the entire compatibility of the two systems.

    We agree that Fives can be ILIs, yes? And that they can be LIIs?

    Well, the stereotypical Two is an ESE.

    That means any 2-5 relations described in the literature should be a total headfuck of a contradiction.
    My solution is that the Enneagram does not describe relationships. It describes motivations, which can be respected by any type. If the literature describes enneagram relationships, ignore it.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Brilliand View Post
    My solution is that the Enneagram does not describe relationships. It describes motivations, which can be respected by any type. If the literature describes enneagram relationships, ignore it.
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    Except 7s and 4s...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mn0good View Post
    Except 7s and 4s...

    O.O
    ENTps and ISFps or ESFjs and INFps?



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    Or SLEs and IEIs. Or SEEs and ILIs.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mn0good View Post
    Except 7s and 4s...

    O.O
    Oh... you're saying 7s and 4s can't respect each others' motivations?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Brilliand View Post
    My solution is that the Enneagram does not describe relationships. It describes motivations, which can be respected by any type. If the literature describes enneagram relationships, ignore it.
    What, because you tell me to?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    Or SLEs and IEIs. Or SEEs and ILIs.
    Yeah. Fours and Eights are actually very compatible in both socionics and Enneagram literature.

    Not sure about Sevens and Fives (if that's what you're alluding to with the second example), but I think Eights and Fives are supposed to be quite compatible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra View Post
    What, because you tell me to?
    Well, between the two of us, we've explained why I'd suggest ignoring the Enneagram relationship material. The Enneagram types can easily apply to Socionic types with very different relationships, so there's no way to give consistent relationship descriptions for some of them (I'd like to say all of them, but I haven't read all of them). Of course, it's your call.

    Now, come to think of it... Conflictor relationships start out well. It may be that the Enneagram simply describes a more superficial relationship, before the PoLR explosions start.



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    interesting. yet somehow I find the relationship compatibility stuff on the enneagram site to be pretty accurate when describing long-term marriages of good friends I know, including my own. I guess it depends on the extent to which your internal motivations affect your relationships, regardless of type? idk.

    for instance, I know a dual marriage SLE/IEI. The SLE is a 7w8 and the IEI is a 6w5 and although they don't fight at all, there is a tension regarding her anxiety and reluctance to do adventurous things and his need for excitement and always moving on to the next new thing.
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