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    What sort of actions/thoughts characterize someone who is Ti HA?

    ie. asking lots of questions

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    I knew an ISFp at school who would do homework in the library at lunchtime because he was too shy to make the rounds around school for the whole break. Maybe that was a HA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Subterranean View Post
    I knew an ISFp at school who would do homework in the library at lunchtime because he was too shy to make the rounds around school for the whole break. Maybe that was a HA?
    How?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirena View Post
    How?
    Oh I dunno. He just liked to withdraw and relax while getting things in order at the same time. It obviously allowed him more time to do the things he wanted when he got home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirena View Post
    ie. asking lots of questions
    IME, that correlates with HA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirena View Post
    ie. asking lots of questions
    People have one time in my life told me I ask more question than anybody else they know in their life. I am not sure if I am an which beta NF.
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    A girl who I want to date, asks me: well first tell me how tall you are?
    My reply: well I will answer that, if you first tell me how much you weigh!

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    A girl I was dating said she was oh so great at sex etc, but she didn't do blowjobs.
    My reply: Oh I'm really romantic etc, I just will never take you out to dinner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Subterranean View Post
    Oh I dunno. He just liked to withdraw and relax while getting things in order at the same time. It obviously allowed him more time to do the things he wanted when he got home.
    Ah I see
    Quote Originally Posted by tuturututu View Post
    IME, that correlates with HA.
    Can you elaborate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirena View Post
    Can you elaborate?
    You're IEE-Ne.

    Ti Super Id's appreciate those with easily understandable and applicable subjective belief systems (or just answers) that are clear cut and consistent. If someone with Ti HA were to ask a lot of questions to a Te ego, the Ti HA person might feel that the Te ego was giving them alot of unnecessary "extra information" and become frustrated at the Te ego's unwillingness to commit to a firm, solid conclusion and perceived propensity to "beat around the bush." Conversely, the Te ego just feels that they were being thorough in their attempt to accurately convey all of the background info while letting the info receiver come to their own conclusions without directly stating it to them.

    I've fed your Te-seeking so many times it's not even funny.

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    Eh, I find that Te PoLR's ask more questions than Ti PoLR's do. Not only that, Ti PoLR often ask what seems to me the same questions over and over. Maybe it's because they are searching for a Ti over-arching explanation, and practical examples aren't enough for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    Eh, I find that Te PoLR's ask more questions than Ti PoLR's do. Not only that, Ti Te PoLR often ask what seems to me the same questions over and over. Maybe it's because they are searching for a Ti over-arching explanation, and practical examples aren't enough for them.
    Have I corrected this correctly? (Why would a Ti PoLR be searching for a Ti explanation?)



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    Quote Originally Posted by DeAnte View Post
    You're IEE-Ne.
    whatever, you just want to be my dual
    Ti Super Id's appreciate those with easily understandable and applicable subjective belief systems (or just answers) that are clear cut and consistent. If someone with Ti HA were to ask a lot of questions to a Te ego, the Ti HA person might feel that the Te ego was giving them alot of unnecessary "extra information" and become frustrated at the Te ego's unwillingness to commit to a firm, solid conclusion and perceived propensity to "beat around the bush." Conversely, the Te ego just feels that they were being thorough in their attempt to accurately convey all of the background info while letting the info receiver come to their own conclusions without directly stating it to them.

    I've fed your Te-seeking so many times it's not even funny.
    Actually, I find merely clear-cut, practical answers annoying. I like theorizing too much and I need to understand the why behind it all...that's the whole point to asking the questions to me.

    I'll try to explain how it feels to me. Being fed objective facts leaves me feeling...confused and unsatisfied. For instance, being told "Ti means blah blah blah and Te means meh meh meh" is not good enough for me. I want to go into a discussion on how it all makes sense in the context of the theory. So I'll keep asking questions if the discussion doesn't occur naturally (which is often necessary with SLIs IME and which frustrates them). I had a conversation with an SLI the other day and we had such a dynamic occur. He kept making statements in response to my questions and I kept asking more questions to get him to explain how all the information was connected. He got frustrated because to him, he had already answered my question, so he was unsure why I kept asking. To me, he was far from actually answering my question and in my desperate search to make sense of it all, I kept asking things like "but why, how does that relate to such and such". Or I would say something like "so you're saying that if blue and green that means yellow, right?" It was obvious that he wasn't helping me put the information together like I needed and I was frustrating him by putting this demand on him.

    I'll admit that this is the dichotomy I am having the most trouble understanding. Understanding the differences between Te and Ti, that is. But if I think of practical/effective vs. theory/analyzing, it is clear to me that I value the second and not the first. And yes I know there's more to it than those 2 word descriptions, which is where I'm trying to get in this thread. I want to truly understand the 2 functions and find out how they fit in with being IEI, IEE, whatever.

    Does that make any sense? Please analyze.

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    examples of Ti HA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    Nope.
    You might've misread him. He corrected what I also noticed to be a typo on your part. You meant that Te polr tends to ask the same question over and over, not Ti polr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    examples of Ti HA

    joining back the university at old age
    how so?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brilliand View Post
    Have I corrected this correctly? (Why would a Ti PoLR be searching for a Ti explanation?)
    Yes you did, thank you B.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirena View Post
    whatever, you just want to be my dual
    You just don't want to admit that you are my dual.

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    Why wouldn't ISFps and INFps ask people questions about things they are interested in? Why wouldn't they ask questions to people they are interested in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeAnte View Post
    You just don't want to admit that you are my dual.
    ok then, your statement isn't good enough for me. pick apart my explanation and explain how it fits Te HA>Ti HA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirena View Post
    What sort of actions/thoughts characterize someone who is Ti HA?

    ie. asking lots of questions
    in short, you'd think that someone with a Ti hidden agenda, is someone on the continuous lookout to justify one's own creative Fe.....by whatever means available at that point in time. Should a Ti dominant enter the picture, these lookouts become satisfied quite readilly, but after such ongoing stimulation one is quite deep within the psyche and must make one's way out.
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    At one point or another, you have mistyped yourself, your mother, God knows if anyone else, therefore, I cannot verify the typing of this alleged SLI with an opinion of my own or comment on your description of this occurence with absolute certainty.

    Tbh, you've described Ti mobilizing quite well. If you really believe you are IEI then fine, just don't come running back to me for more cyber sex.

    We're over, Sirena.

    "His feeling that this world is not his Fatherland, and that it does not represent his proper condition, so to speak—his feeling that, basically, he 'comes from afar'—will remain a fundamental element which will not give rise to mystical escapism and spiritual weakness, but rather will enable him to minimise, to relativise, to refer to higher concepts of measure and limit, all that can seem important and definitive to others, starting with death itself, and will confer on him calm force and breadth of vision." — Julius Evola

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeAnte View Post
    You're IEE-Ne.

    Ti Super Id's appreciate those with easily understandable and applicable subjective belief systems (or just answers) that are clear cut and consistent. If someone with Ti HA were to ask a lot of questions to a Te ego, the Ti HA person might feel that the Te ego was giving them alot of unnecessary "extra information" and become frustrated at the Te ego's unwillingness to commit to a firm, solid conclusion and perceived propensity to "beat around the bush." Conversely, the Te ego just feels that they were being thorough in their attempt to accurately convey all of the background info while letting the info receiver come to their own conclusions without directly stating it to them.

    I've fed your Te-seeking so many times it's not even funny.
    This is pretty much spot on. It's not necessarily that we're looking for some Ti-ego to give us absolute, logical certainty; it's just that for Pi-IxFps (the real Ti agenda types), our Ti focus can become very scattered, and Ti-ego types give us the succinctness that we need. I don't think the volume of questions a type asks is indicative of anything, because that behavior will be very dependent on the context, level of understanding, and the type of the interlocutor (i.e. an ENFp will probably end up asking a lot of questions to an ISTj, because they are looking for Te but not getting it). I can relate to the frustration at Te-ego/valuing types' descriptions. I always want them to sum it up, colligate it into some overriding principle, and every time I try to get them to, they end up going on into a new sequence. I am sure that they feel they are being thorough, as that detailed, bottom-up style of processing is all they know; but to me, it is redundant.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sirena View Post
    whatever, you just want to be my dual


    Actually, I find merely clear-cut, practical answers annoying. I like theorizing too much and I need to understand the why behind it all...that's the whole point to asking the questions to me.
    Right, well I think anyone should want to understand the "why" behind an idea. It's not as if Te-seeking types simply want a bunch of facts thrown at them with no conceptual understanding; it's just that the nature of the logical structure they give to their ideas will always have a ostensibly causal direction to it -- "ok, so we have this and it affects these two variables like this, and they compound into this more general notion," etc. etc. Ti is more about finding those overriding effects and working back to the core causes -- "so, there is this variable, and it relates to these several others in this manner, thus the relationship between them can be summated as," etc. etc.

    I'll try to explain how it feels to me. Being fed objective facts leaves me feeling...confused and unsatisfied. For instance, being told "Ti means blah blah blah and Te means meh meh meh" is not good enough for me. I want to go into a discussion on how it all makes sense in the context of the theory. So I'll keep asking questions if the discussion doesn't occur naturally (which is often necessary with SLIs IME and which frustrates them). I had a conversation with an SLI the other day and we had such a dynamic occur. He kept making statements in response to my questions and I kept asking more questions to get him to explain how all the information was connected. He got frustrated because to him, he had already answered my question, so he was unsure why I kept asking. To me, he was far from actually answering my question and in my desperate search to make sense of it all, I kept asking things like "but why, how does that relate to such and such". Or I would say something like "so you're saying that if blue and green that means yellow, right?" It was obvious that he wasn't helping me put the information together like I needed and I was frustrating him by putting this demand on him.
    That's interesting. I think there will be this frustration between types who don't value the same "T" function in general, but it is frequent that a Ti-valuer will feel unfulfilled when trying to get certain questions answered by a Te-valuer, because there never seems to be any overall structure illustrated. But, I also know that my delta parents can get frustrated when I give them overly-truncated answers to questions, because it isn't "thorough" enough for them, so it goes both ways.

    I'll admit that this is the dichotomy I am having the most trouble understanding. Understanding the differences between Te and Ti, that is. But if I think of practical/effective vs. theory/analyzing, it is clear to me that I value the second and not the first. And yes I know there's more to it than those 2 word descriptions, which is where I'm trying to get in this thread. I want to truly understand the 2 functions and find out how they fit in with being IEI, IEE, whatever.
    I don't think it's very conducive to compare Ti and Te past a very general level. This is because they work in completely different ways: the former attempts to establish holistic coherence throughout an explicitly defined system, and the latter attempts to establish a logical sequence from ostensibly manifest information. And the whole "facts/pragmatism/work vs. theory/analyzing/ideas" dichotomy is absolute bullshit.

    Does that make any sense? Please analyze.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeAnte View Post
    At one point or another, you have mistyped yourself, your mother, God knows if anyone else, therefore, I cannot verify the typing of this alleged SLI with an opinion of my own or comment on your description of this occurence with absolute certainty.
    Why would you need to verify that he is SLI? You can base your opinion/conclusion on the interaction I described. Anyway, he is a self-typed SLI. :tongue:
    Tbh, you've described Ti mobilizing quite well. If you really believe you are IEI then fine, just don't come running back to me for more cyber sex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    Right, well I think anyone should want to understand the "why" behind an idea. It's not as if Te-seeking types simply want a bunch of facts thrown at them with no conceptual understanding; it's just that the nature of the logical structure they give to their ideas will always have a ostensibly causal direction to it -- "ok, so we have this and it affects these two variables like this, and they compound into this more general notion," etc. etc. Ti is more about finding those overriding effects and working back to the core causes -- "so, there is this variable, and it relates to these several others in this manner, thus the relationship between them can be summated as," etc. etc.
    Yeah this makes sense. That's pretty much what I meant.


    That's interesting. I think there will be this frustration between types who don't value the same "T" function in general, but it is frequent that a Ti-valuer will feel unfulfilled when trying to get certain questions answered by a Te-valuer, because there never seems to be any overall structure illustrated. But, I also know that my delta parents can get frustrated when I give them overly-truncated answers to questions, because it isn't "thorough" enough for them, so it goes both ways.
    That's how I feel when talking to SLIs, for instance. I keep trying to get them to put everything into structure. It does seem scattered and unfocused. Like "okay, now what the fuck does that have to do with anything." It gives me a headache because I am forced to structure it on my own and I'm not very confident about putting it all together myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirena View Post
    Can you elaborate?
    That's the thing which -HA -PoLR persons often do. Please elaborate,elaborate,elaborate,elaborate,elaborate, elaborate,elaborate, elaborate, elaborate,elaborate,elaborate,elaborate,elaborate, elaborate,elaborate...ad infinitum. As far as I'm concerned, I just had enough of elaboration. Have a nice day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tuturututu View Post
    That's the thing which -HA -PoLR persons often do. Please elaborate,elaborate,elaborate,elaborate,elaborate, elaborate,elaborate, elaborate, elaborate,elaborate,elaborate,elaborate,elaborate, elaborate,elaborate...ad infinitum. As far as I'm concerned, I just had enough of elaboration. Have a nice day.
    Wow you're an ass (just an opinion). Unless you want me to elaborate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirena View Post
    Wow you're an ass (just an opinion). Unless you want me to elaborate.
    Haha, no need. I'm not an ass. It's just these forums don't transfer well the tone in which something was written, nor do I know how to express myself properly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tuturututu View Post
    Haha, no need. I'm not an ass. It's just these forums don't transfer well the tone in which something was written, nor do I know how to express myself properly.
    okay, now i feel like an ass

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirena View Post
    okay, now i feel like an ass
    Stop it right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tuturututu View Post
    Stop it right now.
    lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimosa Pudica View Post
    Hmm... I like thorough answers, I think...? I hate if I am fed information I can't use to form new conclusions. Could you explain more what you mean here?
    Yeah. Anyone should seek a thorough answer to a problem. My point was that, the determination of what is thorough will depend on the valued elements of the people involved.

    Example:
    I just asked you a question, and my goal is to understand what you said "to my core", so that I have a "feel" for it, and can recognize Ti/Te later, for example if I try to type others, etc. Would this way of thinking be more typical for a Te HA or Ti HA, and why?
    I think it's typical for any person who cares about understanding an idea. Te/Ti will just determine the manner in which they need it to be presented for it to be deemed "thorough," "complete," etc.
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