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    I've been scanning the board for a while, and I figured I'd make an introductory thread before I just jumped right in.

    First off, I don't buy the VI stuff, but if you can convince me, I might upload a pic or two.

    Ok, about me:

    I'm pretty social, and I have a wide circle of friends but I don't usually seek out other people or make plans specifically to be with others. I tend to let the action come to me. Most of my classmates would probably say that I'm a bit quiet, but never afraid to give an answer or opinion. I enjoy my solitary time immensly, and I love to read and write, but sometimes I feel like I would be having more fun if I was with other people.

    When it comes to my actual social behavior, I feel like I have a few different personas. When you first meet me, I'll always be amicable and polite: I try to make a good first impression, and to give people the benefit of the doubt, in spite of what I may have heard about them. However, once I feel comfortable around you, you'll likely encounter one of two "Me"s: the somewhat tactless, sometimes harsh, always sarcastic, and generally goofy me that I like to put on at parties and in big groups. The other me comes out one-on-one, or in a small group: I can be a bit taciturn, somewhat sluggish, and more reserved and intellectual.

    I like to pretend that I know alot more about things than I really do. When I develop a new interest, I tend to go online and research it until I feel like I have a good grasp on whatever "it" is. Once I've got the general premises of an idea down, I can generally infer the rest for myself: when I first became interested in political theory, I read the Wikipedia description of Communism and listened to a few debates, and from just that knowledge I was able to argue it's ups and downs in a forum, even with some of the more learned participants, quickly becoming one of the more active members. However, once greater principles were being argued, my lack of knowledge of Marx himself, the actual events of the

    As far as my beliefs go, they're pretty simple: consider everything, discredit nothing. I become livid whenever someone attempts to discredit my ideas or opinions before they've heard the whole story. Although deep down somewhere I hold a personal preference for a belief philanthropy and general kindness, I don't let it intefere with the views that I argue, and I always try to remain objective and unbiased, even if it's sometimes against my natural inclinations.

    My mother is an ESTj, and my father an INFj. My mother and I get along pretty well for the most part, but once in a while we have little tiffs over silly things (usually either me being rediculous or her being stubborn, or a mix of the two with alot of miscommunication). My father and I are close, but somehow distant. It's hard for us to maintain a conversation. He is always asking me to try to understand my mother when we have our little fights, because he seems to think that most of the problems stem from a lack of understanding between the two of us.

    Is there anything else you might like to know in an attempt to type me? I've been typed before, but I want a bias-free diagnosis for once.
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    First off, I don't buy the VI stuff, but if you can convince me, I might upload a pic or two.
    I don't buy these carefully rehearsed self-descriptions

    (not to scare you off or anything -- I'm just suggesting that self-descriptions convey only the part of you that you've been able to consciously elaborate, along with all the things you'd like to believe and avoid in yourself)

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    INTJ.

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    INTJ.
    Care to elaborate?

    Is it because I sound like an ENTp, but seem to lean towards introversion? Or is there something else going on?
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    As an experienced socionics typer, here is the information I was able to glean from your description:

    1. You consider yourself a smart, intellectual person
    2. You are quite verbally gifted
    3. You are used to writing a lot

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    ENTp ALL THE WAY.

    No doubt.
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    A few more tidbits:

    I'm very absent-minded and messy.

    If I'm being completely honest, I'm rather confident in my aesthetic taste, but I have major issues with others' perception of me. I can glean bits and pieces via their reactions and how they behave around me, but I'm never, EVER really sure of it.
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    I've been typed before, but I want a bias-free diagnosis for once.
    I think it's time to count up his particles of speech -- right, FDG?

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    I've been typed before, but I want a bias-free diagnosis for once.
    I think it's time to count up his particles of speech -- right, FDG?
    Ok, a relatively unbiased diagnosis that uses only what I say and how I say it, as opposed to one incorporating knowledge of how I have previously been typed. Is that good enough for you, Mr. Technical?
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    INTp.
    MAYBE I'LL BREAK DOWN!!!


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    Rocky's posts are as enjoyable as having wisdom teeth removed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick
    I've been typed before, but I want a bias-free diagnosis for once.
    I think it's time to count up his particles of speech -- right, FDG?

    I think we shoud apply n-dimensional vector spaces in order to figure out the type, where the result is given by summing up the eigenvalues of the diagonalized m*n matrix of words per paragraph, where m=paragraph and n=number of words. The entries of the matrix are defined as the number of letters of the word.
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    Writes like an INTj, but everything said points to ENTp.

    I'm not feeling the Gamma from him, Rocky. Why INTp? The behavioral stuff?
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    sounds like
    MAYBE I'LL BREAK DOWN!!!


    Quote Originally Posted by vague
    Rocky's posts are as enjoyable as having wisdom teeth removed.

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    is slathered on this guy like cum on a pornstar. I'm having serious doubts about you, Rocky.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    ... apparently, I have no life...

    Quote Originally Posted by Hellus Flagellus
    I'm pretty social, and I have a wide circle of friends but I don't usually seek out other people or make plans specifically to be with others. I tend to let the action come to me. Most of my classmates would probably say that I'm a bit quiet, but never afraid to give an answer or opinion. I enjoy my solitary time immensly, and I love to read and write, but sometimes I feel like I would be having more fun if I was with other people.
    ... not usually initiator... hopes action comes to him... only speaks when he has an opinion... enjoys solitary... Introvert...

    When it comes to my actual social behavior, I feel like I have a few different personas. When you first meet me, I'll always be amicable and polite: I try to make a good first impression, and to give people the benefit of the doubt, in spite of what I may have heard about them.
    Fi?

    However, once I feel comfortable around you, you'll likely encounter one of two "Me"s: the somewhat tactless, sometimes harsh, always sarcastic, and generally goofy me that I like to put on at parties and in big groups. The other me comes out one-on-one, or in a small group: I can be a bit taciturn, somewhat sluggish, and more reserved and intellectual.
    IxTp. Lack of Fe, a perceiver most likely, sluggish.

    I like to pretend that I know alot more about things than I really do. When I develop a new interest, I tend to go online and research it until I feel like I have a good grasp on whatever "it" is.
    Te?

    Once I've got the general premises of an idea down, I can generally infer the rest for myself:
    perception.

    As far as my beliefs go, they're pretty simple: consider everything, discredit nothing. I become livid whenever someone attempts to discredit my ideas or opinions before they've heard the whole story.
    perception

    Although deep down somewhere I hold a personal preference for a belief philanthropy and general kindness, I don't let it intefere with the views that I argue, and I always try to remain objective and unbiased, even if it's sometimes against my natural inclinations.
    Fi hidden agenda.

    Fi PoLR? hmm...
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    I interpreted what he said differently, but I also think he is an INTp. The fourth paragraph shows Te, the third demonstrates intuition, and the part about how he interacts with those he feels comfortable with fits with INTps in general.

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    I think we shoud apply n-dimensional vector spaces in order to figure out the type, where the result is given by summing up the eigenvalues of the diagonalized m*n matrix of words per paragraph, where m=paragraph and n=number of words. The entries of the matrix are defined as the number of letters of the word.
    Sorry to interrupt these concerted typing efforts, but this was just too funny! FDG, du bist aber sehr lustig!

    In typing Hellus Flagellus based on the content of his text, we are limiting ourselves to only the information he has chosen to give us, which is as much or more about self-concept than about type. What can be noted about the between-the-lines style? (let me think... maybe I can come up with some useful observations)

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    Sorry, can't come up with anything new -- only that Hellus's self-concept is concerned with ideas and views. Heck, we don't even know how old he is.

    Maybe some questions would help:
    1. how old are you?
    2. what are you studying and what do you like and/or dislike about this field?
    3. (any other questions?)

    (I am going to be quiet after this post, because I think I have spoiled the atmosphere -- sorry )

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    1) 18

    2) Still in high school, don't really know what I want to study in college: most likely political theory, but I'm also (as you've observed) rather inclined to writing, and the world of literature in general. Psychology is a pet interest of mine that I feed with things like this (I have alot of pet interests...)

    Some more general info about me...

    My musical interests are pretty wide-ranging. I enjoy Radiohead, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin Morphine, The Beatles, Marilyn Manson, Stereolab, Beck, Cake, Bob Marley, Nine Inch Nails...the list goes on, but in general, alot of Post Modern stuff and Alternative in general, as well as classic rock.

    I have, as a rule, a general perception of myself as being "better" or "above" people in some way: I'm not sure if it's an upper-end IQ thing (I test around 150), or if I just have some sort of complex/neurosis, but I feel it almost no matter who I'm with.

    In any group situation, I tend to do one of two things: I either seize leadership and take command, and direct the group using my ideas and any others that I see as valuable, or I linger and simply offer ideas, seldom contributing to the brunt work.

    I'm a fast learner. Once I've got a concept well in place in my mind, I apply it to anything and everything, even if the connection between the two is not necessarily obvious to other people.

    You seem to have a misperception of what I said. I'm actually really talkative in social situations, and even in some classes; I'm never afraid to say what I have to say. It's not uncommon that I stray from the topic at hand to say something silly or unnecessary. Also, from time to time when I'm alone, I feel as though I would be enjoying myself more if I was with other people; I don't mind being alone, but I think I'm most myself when I'm with others. I could very well be an introvert, but I don't want you to get the wrong impression about what I've said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick
    (I am going to be quiet after this post, because I think I have spoiled the atmosphere -- sorry )
    You haven't ruined the atmosphere; you've contributed more than anyone else yet. Please, I'd be glad to hear any more of your insights. Don't discredit yourself for something irrelevant.
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    In any group situation, I tend to do one of two things: I either seize leadership and take command, and direct the group using my ideas and any others that I see as valuable, or I linger and simply offer ideas, seldom contributing to the brunt work.
    This sounds pretty ENTp to me.

    I'm really not seeing the as a creative function. It seems like he gathers the information in order to form his own conclusions (), because he clearly said that he doesn't seek to learn all the facts. It seems to me like he's taking the little bit of information that he gathers and giving his own take on the subject, which would suggest creative.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Well hello sailor!!!

    It's true I am not the most knowlegable in the socionics area, BUT, people have been leaning more towards ENTp for you. And after reading what you've written, I have compared you to numorous ENTp friends that I am close to and I'm feelin the ENTp vibe radiation off of you. It's just a feeling and I can't back it up with smarty words or anything. So....uhm...just take what I'm givin and ...put it in your pants or something...

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    INTp or ENTp. At first I thought INTp but the 2nd post (mainly the social stuff) made me doubt cause it reminded me a lot of my ENTp friend.
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    most likely political theory, but I'm also (as you've observed) rather inclined to writing, and the world of literature in general. Psychology is a pet interest of mine that I feed with things like this (I have alot of pet interests...)
    I agree that if you are describing yourself adequately, we get a picture that matches well with ILE ('ENTP').

    First of all, this interest in political theory is typical of ILE's. The program of their strong functions produces a strong interest in discovering what makes various logical systems and organizations tick, and political theory seems to be one of those areas that would allow you to study societal systems from the highest possible level and hence gain the most general possible understanding of what governs societies.

    That being said, you are only 18, and many people change their direction and their majors a dozen times after this. We cannot be sure that this is a permanent interest of yours or that it is indeed coming from your ego block functions. For example, you could also be an IEE ('ENFP') who feels that logical systems are somehow more 'heavy-weight' than human/psychological systems.

    I have, as a rule, a general perception of myself as being "better" or "above" people in some way: I'm not sure if it's an upper-end IQ thing
    This is from being 'overly' smart and is not type-related. Do you feel comfortable letting your peers know that you're smarter than others, or do you try to hide it (i.e. not talk about it with your peers)?

    Once more, the weakness of trying to determine someone's type this way is that we are not able to come to unexpected conclusions, but can only find the type that best fits your current self-identity. Hence, a few photos of you looking straight on would round out the picture (see http://the16types.info/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2731 for examples of pretty good photos).

    Other questions:

    3. here you have tried carefully to describe what you feel is most important in yourself. How did you come to these conclusions?
    4. is it typical for you to discuss yourself this way with other people? Isn't it a waste of energy/time? If not, what does it do for you?
    5. if you were to discover your 'true' type (in this case, socionic type), what would that give you? What knowledge would you find important/useful, and why?

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    Do you feel comfortable letting your peers know that you're smarter than others, or do you try to hide it (i.e. not talk about it with your peers)?
    I don't feel the need to directly assert myself as "the smart one;" the way I see it, anyone who is intelligent enough to want to engage me in any sort of intellectual discourse will be able to spot me for what I am without me having to shout it out. And if they aren't interested in some sort of exchange, well, then they need not have their perception of me distorted by knowing my IQ. I don't feel the need to exercise my intelligence as a way of making myself superior to others; again, anyone who cares will more than likely be able to tell on their own.

    3. here you have tried carefully to describe what you feel is most important in yourself. How did you come to these conclusions?
    I've arrived at them mostly by a) taking stock of my personal interests, b) observing myself and the way I behave around others within the context of how socionics defines human interaction, and c) asking others for their observations of me.

    4. is it typical for you to discuss yourself this way with other people? Isn't it a waste of energy/time? If not, what does it do for you?
    5. if you were to discover your 'true' type (in this case, socionic type), what would that give you? What knowledge would you find important/useful, and why?
    I think I can answer both of these at once. One thing that plays a role in almost everything I do is my ultimate desire to understand. My greatest passion in life is figuring out what lies behind things, and what makes them work: it's what propels my interest in things like politics and psychology. Seeing the motive behind the speeches of a politician, using my knowledge of both politics and behavioral psychology, is something that, quite honestly, fascinates me, although I think the real fascination comes from the concept of psychology or a political system itself, rather than the person (politician) on whom I practice my observational skills.

    So no, this is not a waste of my time. It may not have any logical end, but it's stimulating, and I enjoy it.
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    You sound almost exactly like me.

    Except

    Also, from time to time when I'm alone, I feel as though I would be enjoying myself more if I was with other people; I don't mind being alone, but I think I'm most myself when I'm with others. I could very well be an introvert, but I don't want you to get the wrong impression about what I've said.
    and

    In any group situation, I tend to do one of two things: I either seize leadership and take command
    I always try to lead, but often no one listens to me and ignores my ideas.

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    I've arrived at them mostly by a) taking stock of my personal interests, b) observing myself and the way I behave around others within the context of how socionics defines human interaction, and c) asking others for their observations of me.
    Another question. Do you have your own opinion about your socionic type? If so, how much (if at all) has it affected the way you've described yourself here?

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    I've taken tests, and I have an idea about what I think my type is, which very well may have affected at least the way in which I say things about myself. However, I assure you that everything stated here is true of me.
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    Well, I think that based on everything here you are most likely to be an Intuitive logical extravert (that's supposedly the ENTP). I still remain somewhat skeptical just in case, though, since these things are often very tricky. Are you against posting a couple decent photos? It would be a meaningful addition to your posts, at least for me. Photos often convey part of one's temperament, typical states of mind, and help create associations with other people one has studied.

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    I think I'll hold back on the photos for now.

    In the mean time, I think we've narrowed down the possibilities to these:

    INTj
    ENFp
    ENTp
    INTp

    What about sensory types? Do any seem feasible?

    Could we compile the evidence that point towards each one of these? I'm not EXACTLY sure of what to look for concerning what represents each function, so would someone be willing to give some kind of assessment here? I'd like to see the reasoning behind each one.

    Let's talk about some of my work habits:

    I have to be in the right frame of mind to do serious work. Most of the time, I can sit down and read a book or write a paper, and I'll still write well and be able to understand the book, but I have "phases" during which I do my best work. When I'm in the "mood," I can knock off a 2 or 3 page essay in about 15 minutes. It's like I'm in "hyper-focus" mode, but it's not even just that. My brain works better, all of the cogs turn more smoothly, and everything just flows straight from my unconscious thought process right out onto the page, with no sort of conscious "barrier" at all. I'm not sure what this might have to do with type, but take it for what you will.
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    If you were an IEE/ENFp, that would make you an ethical type, and writing all of your posts in this [dry] logical tone without betraying any subjective personal/emotional attitudes towards things would cause quite a bit of strain. However, I see no signs of such strain.

    If you were a LII/INTj, I would expect to sense some different vibes coming a dominant introverted logic. For example, I get the impression from each of your posts that you could have said things more briefly if you had wanted to, but you wanted to write more. For example, you keep adding new material to your description that no one specifically asked for, as if satisfying some internal need to express "on paper" something you've been thinking about that may be related to this topic. In general, the inner drive to expand each task beyond its necessary bounds is characteristic of extraverts, while introverts generally obtain satisfaction from saying what needs to be said for the task and not more (i.e. minimizing tasks). Which fits you better (not just in this situation, but in general)?

    I have to be in the right frame of mind to do serious work.
    While anyone could have said this, for irrational types one's frame of mind and psycho-physiological state is something that leads them and dictates what they're able to do in most situations. It's like they are constantly cultivating the state of mind that happened to appear inside. Rational types are rarely so dependent on states of mind/body and can willfully decide to do what needs to be done or said, thus submitting their states of mind to their will. Which fits you better?

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    Also, some features to help distinguish between ILE and ILI.

    1. ILE's dominant state is active mental activity that implies or demands some sort of discussion with others. New information gleaned from an interesting source must be transmitted to others. Because this need is so dominant, an ILE always has "colleagues" around who receive and digest his/her information. Extraverted intuition "shines" most when discussing and relaying information and expressing ideas. An ILE will light up and put immense energy into this task.

    2. ILI's dominant state is 'receptive' mental activity -- sort of like registering on an internal slate signals from external reality -- even from outer space. This information does not necessarily demand verbal transmission to others. One expresses it is a more subtle way -- in one's reactions to others' statements and actions. When verbally expressed, this information is no less interesting than extraverted intuition, but it usually has to be sought out by others, and it requires interpretation, whereas ILE's messages are adapted to his audience.

    These two types also have different kinds of suggestibility.

    1. ILE is suggestive to comfort, relaxation, and states of mind that focus on tuning in to internal physiological sensations. He/she cannot create these conditions himself, but if you do it for him, he loves it and finds total rejuvenation.

    2. ILI is suggestive to powerful desires (willpower) and drives to do or obtain something no matter what. He/she cannot create this state of mind himself, but if you do it for him, he gets drawn into the thick of exciting events in the outside world in a way that totally rejuvenates him and balances him out.

    Do either of these descriptions fit you well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick
    2. ILI is suggestive to powerful desires (willpower) and drives to do or obtain something no matter what. He/she cannot create this state of mind himself, but if you do it for him, he gets drawn into the thick of exciting events in the outside world in a way that totally rejuvenates him and balances him out.
    Can you give some examples of this? I find it intriguing.

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    Okay, here's a situation I remember very well from college. There was this couple that had been hanging around outside a lot at night and making out. The guys in my apartment started discussing this, and ILI was very vocal in his criticism and distate for this couple's mushy public behavior. The other guys created a plan to attack them in the middle of the night with water guns (super soakers) and douse them in the act -- incognito and with face masks on. ILI totally lit up and got completely carried away with the plan, as if it were his long-held fantasy. He was so excited and absorbed with planning and execution and showed his willingness to go "all the way" with the other guys -- as long as they go first (which they did). Afterwards he couldn't get over what they had done and laughed loudly and uncontrollably about it for quite a while.

    Oh, and needless to say, this behavior surprised us. ILI was a fairly quiet and studious guy, really into computers, who always liked making short ironic comments about nearly everything.

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    Can you give examples of the version of this for an LII?

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    Unfortunately, I haven't had the chance to observe LIIs as closely. But I can say that when there's someone around who is really emotionally dynamic and expressive (displaying positive, creative emotions) and this person directs their emotional attention towards LII's, they light up and get this child-like look in their eyes and put on a silly smile -- quite a contrast from their usual dry selves. I wish I could say more.

    So, how do you recognize a "suggested" state? The individual gets totally absorbed and enters a child-like state of pleasure and spontaneity -- as if you've just given him a bunch of candy and told him he's the best in the world. Also, this should be a compensatory state -- quite unlike the person's usual behavior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellus Flagellus
    In the mean time, I think we've narrowed down the possibilities to these:

    INTj
    ENFp
    ENTp
    INTp

    What about sensory types? Do any seem feasible?
    I'm too tired at the moment to do a step by step analysis so I do an unofficial and adhoc version.

    I have a hard time seeing you as introvert...you seem to be somewhat an attention seeker and you have no problems talking about yourself. Then again this is written media and many introverts are different here. I was considered extrovert first so...

    Same thing with "S". I have hard time seeing you as a sensor based on your writing style. Then again you are in a new environment and maybe you are just trying to project a certain kind of image of yourself. I would like to see what your humor is like and how you are when you are relaxed and write posts without honing their content too much. So far you write mostly official sounding analysis that could very well be written by S. Anyways you seem more Ne than Ni which would rule INTp out.

    So until I see more I think you are ENTp...I would not count ENFp out they can sometimes sound soooo official and overly logical until their silly switch turns on hehe. But I won't turn the tables and I stick with the majority: ENTp. ENTps are kind of narcistic so do you consider to be like that? Or has anyone said that you are? Hmm..many ENTps are quick to post their pictures here but ENFps not so much. Maybe you are keeping from posting your pics because you want to be methodical or something..hmm I stay with ENTp. Then again INTj might resemble ENTp being a mirror type...damn I'm not helping much with my monologue here Well I did criticize the INTp diagnosis if that counts...

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    So, how do you recognize a "suggested" state? The individual gets totally absorbed and enters a child-like state of pleasure and spontaneity -- as if you've just given him a bunch of candy and told him he's the best in the world. Also, this should be a compensatory state -- quite unlike the person's usual behavior.


    If this is the case, then is, beyond any reasonable doubt, my suggestive function. I'll explain why if you care to hear it, but I don't think that's entirely necessary.

    As for your other questions, Extraversion and Perception fit me quite clearly.

    Can we go into a little more detail about the functional differences between ENTp and ENFp, such as what roles the PoLR and Hidden Agenda would play (basically, I'm looking for a description like the one you provided for the suggestive above). I think discussing the differences between Alpha and Delta Quadras might also prove beneficial.

    You're excellent at these descriptions, you should write out a full functional analysis on your website (some day).
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    You're excellent at these descriptions, you should write out a full functional analysis on your website (some day).
    Thanks! I'll get to it eventually.

    Okay, let's look into some of the differences between ILE and IEE. In writing this, I often have to think carefully and focus on definitions ( ) rather than on creative psychological and interpersonal applications ( ). As an IEE, this can be a strain, and I come across as more serious than I usually am (hahahaha, there we go ). However, I am fairly well-trained, and have had several years to mull over and observe these things, and I have so-called "classical socionics" behind me to support my statements.

    A ILE, on the other hand, talks about logical systems and definitions without strain, and actually generates much more of them in discussion. IEE's like to stick to one system or set of definitions wherever possible. ILE's gobble up new systems and abstract categories. IEE's accept categories that they can somehow relate to their understanding of people.

    Now take an ILE and an IEE and ask them to study and describe a real person. An ILE will stick to his categories and abstractions in describing the person, while an IEE will study the actual person from that person's point of view, making occasional references to categories.

    Now stick an ILE and an IEE into a serious logical discussion with people they don't know. The ILE will tune into the ideas themselves and enter discussion quickly (provided he has something to say). The IEE won't feel comfortable expressing his opinions until he has established personal, individual contact with other group members. IEE's try to establish personal, subjective contact with people before passing on ideas and information. ILE's either don't know what personal, subjective contact with people is or, more likely, they avoid such contact, because they are not sure of themselves in this area. Likewise, many IEE's avoid expression their opinions in order to avoid painful criticism of their views.

    Hence the acronym "Reporter." A reporter is someone who knows everything and everyone, but uses situations and interviews to convey his knowledge rather than expressing his views outright. This way he is invulnerable.

    Other IEE's express their opinions on logical matters more often, but only if they have a whole string of logical arguments to back them up just in case.

    ILE's are strong in logic, but weak in personal contact. They can convey interesting information to people they don't know, but they avoid sharing personal sentiments and experience that might be understood incorrectly. IEE's, on the other hand, are fearless in baring their personal experiences and sentiments and in showing where they come from.

    I think that's good enough for now.

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