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    Quote Originally Posted by idolatrie View Post
    Ugh, tell me about it. I'm just kind of fucked up over this guy.
    ISN'T IT LOVELY.

    It's not really about how much I like the guy in that situation - I think the requirement to be wanted back would supersede most things. It's kind of like...I want him to want me most, above all other girls, and that's a total requirement, what I feel comes second to that. So yeah, I'd compete in the sense that I'd make him see that I'm the option he wants, but the onus is still on the other party to make the decision, and I'm not going to wait around if I think I'm not going to win.
    Oh yeah, that's normal female behaviour in my books.

    But hey, I myself, would never want to go with a "second" girl anyway. Doesn't mean I'd ignore a second girl though. I've got a little order in my head.. Although to be honest, I flip my order, and often pay first/last attention to girls I like. So they'll be last or first priority

    Which means if a girl is last priority I probably like her

    I think it is probably more a SLE v LSI thing. One SLE guy I know doesn't care at all about the relationship status of the girl he's after, his only concern is whether she's into him. The LSI guy I know probably shares my values. I'm not disparaging your/the SLE approach, because my general attitude is that it's really the problem of the party that's already in the relationship. I
    True. Lots of relationships are functional, and bullshit made up relationships that don't count. Look at my cynicalism!

    just wouldn't want to be part of anything that involved breaking up an existing relationship - I think part of it would be the fear that if they did it before, they can do it again, and thus it means they hold the relationship in a lesser light than you do. Whether that is true or not. I don't know. It just seems morally wrong for me personally. If they were to break up, that's totally different, I think they'd be fair game again.
    Actually want time this girl wanted to have sex with me. Then her boyfriend rung up. And then she gave him some kind of lame excuses about where she was, what she was doing, whatever. Anyway, my interest kind of dropped.

    Then later, it seemed like she was trying to increase her interest in me, and I wasn't paying her as much interest. Thing is - she was resisting at first. And that's what drew me in. And it's like I still don't know if it was because she had a boyfriend, or because she'd never met me before that night. But the sexual tension was pretty high.

    Anyway, in the end she seemed to want to make it happen. And I kind of just kind of shifted. And then she said something about me offering and blah..... But she left. But then like afterwards, i actually wonder why I should have cared. I mean seriously, I'd never met hey boyfriend. She was willing. The sexual tension was pretty high, it would have been fun blah blah...

    But yeah, I mean in the past, I've kissed girls with boyfriends etc. But like, one time this girl was kissing me when her boyfriend was METRES away, and it's like wtf. Anyway, I asked her if she liked me or her boyfriend more, and she was like she likes us the same. And then I kind of just left. She was actually pretty young too. And yeah, I don't know. If she liked me more, I'd care. Thing is, her boyfriend was kind of dark, but he didn't seem to react to her kissing me that much. I don't know if she was trying to make him jealous, or if she'd just go for anyone, or what. But it wasn't really doing much for me And I was kind of drunk, she was kind of drunk blah blah.

    But like in the past I've also talked to girls, who then have a boyfriend who gets REALLY jealous. And it's like OMG, it's just conversation. But when the jealousy sets in it can be like do you want to talk to a girl so much that you'll deal with her jealous boyfriend. And then is her boyfriend going to step in the way of her talking to anyone. Am I such a risk? Anyway, I was remembering one night then.. and it's like that night.. I actually went and started an interaction with this girl that was sitting down not socialising on her own... and built up interaction with her pretty well, she was standing.. blah blah... but it's like.. it's not like I'm incapable of bringing people out of isolation.. but it does require more effort/time... anyway, she started to spin out a bit... it got complicated.. I actually left in the end, even though we clicked pretty well in the end. She was probably an introvert.. and I suppose introverts are harder...

    I just resent any suggestion or implication that I'm a gold-digging whore, because, you know, that's insulting. I pretty much try to make sure we spend the same amount, money-wise, when I date guys.
    Hmm, I used to make out I was poor all the time when meeting girls when I was younger and had more money than my peers....

    But I knew one girl, who used to try and keep things even... and I kind of liked it.. but we didn't date. We were kind of close though. Probably closer in social situations then most couples I knew. Go figure. I was cynical about relationships, but most couples that I knew weren't very close too.

    Haha, I think it's because my issues are probably less typically girly or whatever. But I mean, I think guys do get intimidated by the fact that I'm not needy and I'm not going to pretend to be vulnerable and in need of their protection.
    Are you open? I'm not sure what to make of your neediness/vulnerability/lack of protection. Sometimes, a little neediness can be endearing I know. But like maybe it should just run both ways a bit.

    Completely non-needy girls seem to turn me off

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    Quote Originally Posted by idolatrie View Post
    AHAHA holy crap Merky, that's pretty much exactly my thought processes. Which is why I insist on switching off on who pays if I date a guy more than once - to avoid that whole obligation to have sex because they think they're entitled to it after paying for your meal thing. I've been told that other people don't actually think paying for something = obligation to have sex, but frankly, I don't believe it. Better to neutralise that expectation.
    You know, one way to get a girl to open up, is to mirror her thinking patterns so that she thinks you'll understand her. Thing is even if you're wrong often girls will correct you. Because a lot seem to like it when guys try to understand them, even if they're wrong. And then they can hilight their individual differences.

    Although some get creeped out. Those ones are probably liars/cheats/frauds/etc.. . harbouring dark thoughts...

    Now the obvious solution, in your situation is for "cuddling" with candles, some light moody music. And if something happens, it happens. If it doesn't, then you can pay for dinner next time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mercutio View Post
    Are you open? I'm not sure what to make of your neediness/vulnerability/lack of protection. Sometimes, a little neediness can be endearing I know. But like maybe it should just run both ways a bit.

    Completely non-needy girls seem to turn me off
    Yeah, it should run both ways. Like I said, I have my issues, and my needs. If I'm with a guy, I want to know that he wants me above anyone else. I need to come first with him. And like, I'd put him first too, I'm not saying I want something I won't give myself. It's just...I'm not going to pretend to be like, incapable of doing things myself in order to let the guy feel he's useful and can do stuff. If something needs to be done, I'll do it, I won't wait around and act helpless and be like 'save me from my own incompetence!' or whatever. I don't know. I don't know what I'm talking about, I find a lot of other girls behaviour bizarre.

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    Wow, that was insanely candid for me. OK, in the spirit of oversharing, I'll post it but may take this down later, so please don't quote. I kind of find my inner life pretty lame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by idolatrie View Post
    It's just...I'm not going to pretend to be like, incapable of doing things myself in order to let the guy feel he's useful and can do stuff. If something needs to be done, I'll do it, I won't wait around and act helpless and be like 'save me from my own incompetence!' or whatever. I don't know. I don't know what I'm talking about, I find a lot of other girls behaviour bizarre.
    Obviously that behaviour is pretty lame, but um, obviously (and I feel it almost goes without saying) a lot of 'save me from my own incompetence' is actually genuine. Some PEOPLE are just...bad at certain things and that 'badness' isn't faked to attract guys or anything. And feeling confident about one's abilities to 'get things done' doesn't mean that that person is GOOD at it; neither does being overwhelmed by a sense of inevitable failure (as often is the case with me) necessarily mean you're going to suck at it. Like, I get that this is OBVIOUS, but the line 'other girls behaviour bizarre' sort of bugged. Coz it's not just girls, it's people. Guys do it too. And I don't think a lot of the girls who it are doing it to get guys -- some girls do, but that takes a great deal of self-possession and manipulation. A lot of people just really are helpless -- at things you think are mundane. Their strengths lie elsewhere -- and possibly outside the realm of anything that can be DONE. =p

    I kind of find my inner life pretty lame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
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    A girl who I want to date, asks me: well first tell me how tall you are?
    My reply: well I will answer that, if you first tell me how much you weigh!

    2)
    A girl I was dating said she was oh so great at sex etc, but she didn't do blowjobs.
    My reply: Oh I'm really romantic etc, I just will never take you out to dinner.

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    idolatrie, do you know what is your instinct subtype?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
    1)
    A girl who I want to date, asks me: well first tell me how tall you are?
    My reply: well I will answer that, if you first tell me how much you weigh!

    2)
    A girl I was dating said she was oh so great at sex etc, but she didn't do blowjobs.
    My reply: Oh I'm really romantic etc, I just will never take you out to dinner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unefille View Post
    Obviously that behaviour is pretty lame, but um, obviously (and I feel it almost goes without saying) a lot of 'save me from my own incompetence' is actually genuine. Some PEOPLE are just...bad at certain things and that 'badness' isn't faked to attract guys or anything. And feeling confident about one's abilities to 'get things done' doesn't mean that that person is GOOD at it; neither does being overwhelmed by a sense of inevitable failure (as often is the case with me) necessarily mean you're going to suck at it. Like, I get that this is OBVIOUS, but the line 'other girls behaviour bizarre' sort of bugged. Coz it's not just girls, it's people. Guys do it too. And I don't think a lot of the girls who it are doing it to get guys -- some girls do, but that takes a great deal of self-possession and manipulation. A lot of people just really are helpless -- at things you think are mundane. Their strengths lie elsewhere -- and possibly outside the realm of anything that can be DONE. =p
    Dude, no, there are totally girls who act like they have lobotomies when they get around boys. I'm not saying it is because they are girls, I'm sure guys do it too, I just don't care nor 'see' guys who do things like that. I've just spent way too much time recently around those girls and aarghghg. I'll tell you on the phone so I can drop names. And I definitely think they do it to get guys.

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    idolatrie, do you know what is your instinct subtype?
    Ask unefille.
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    ok. unefille, what is idolatrie's instinct stacking?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
    1)
    A girl who I want to date, asks me: well first tell me how tall you are?
    My reply: well I will answer that, if you first tell me how much you weigh!

    2)
    A girl I was dating said she was oh so great at sex etc, but she didn't do blowjobs.
    My reply: Oh I'm really romantic etc, I just will never take you out to dinner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 07490 View Post
    ok. unefille, what is idolatrie's instinct stacking?
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    I think there is a could be a chance that she is a 1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
    1)
    A girl who I want to date, asks me: well first tell me how tall you are?
    My reply: well I will answer that, if you first tell me how much you weigh!

    2)
    A girl I was dating said she was oh so great at sex etc, but she didn't do blowjobs.
    My reply: Oh I'm really romantic etc, I just will never take you out to dinner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 07490 View Post
    I think there is a could be a chance that she is a 1.
    And? There's a chance I'm a One. What's your point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra View Post
    And? There's a chance I'm a One. What's your point?
    I think three get along better with one than eight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
    1)
    A girl who I want to date, asks me: well first tell me how tall you are?
    My reply: well I will answer that, if you first tell me how much you weigh!

    2)
    A girl I was dating said she was oh so great at sex etc, but she didn't do blowjobs.
    My reply: Oh I'm really romantic etc, I just will never take you out to dinner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krae View Post
    As for numbers - he is fabulous, and if the approach he has yields results then it's a legit approach, despite how it's being perceived by random bystanders.
    Krae thanks for the kind words. You are a great person too. I really wish you the best in life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
    1)
    A girl who I want to date, asks me: well first tell me how tall you are?
    My reply: well I will answer that, if you first tell me how much you weigh!

    2)
    A girl I was dating said she was oh so great at sex etc, but she didn't do blowjobs.
    My reply: Oh I'm really romantic etc, I just will never take you out to dinner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dinki View Post
    How does an ISTj act when they are interested in someone?



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    Is all around you blood and mire?
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    And the angel approaches, kisses me,
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    Quote Originally Posted by idolatrie View Post
    I think I've been away from the forums too long to tell if someone is being serious or not, but I'll pretend this is a serious question.



    Generally like they're not? And also, it depends on what you mean by interested - because hooking up and wanting an actual relationship are two very different kinds of interest (and expressed in very different ways, in my opinion).

    I think if an ISTj wanted to hook up with someone, they'd make that fairly clear in a physical manner. As in, making physical contact, and using verbal cues to indicate that. There'd be an element of it being a response though - I don't think an ISTj would pursue someone who made it clear they were uninterested - but once there was some indication of reciprocation of desire, then yeah, I think the ISTj would just take the situation and run with it. Just don't expect the ISTj to respect you in the morning. (And I don't mean they would think you are a slut or whatever, but that I don't think an ISTj actually wants a relationship with anyone they hook up with casually.)

    If you're talking about interested as in a relationship, well, then there's a whole lot more issues. The matter of reciprocation becomes far more of an issue. I think ISTjs can like someone and do their best to make sure that person never finds out - how effective that effort to hide it is you'll have to ask someone else. The fear of being emotionally hurt and well, not wanted, is huge. And gender may come into this point for me, but I categorically refuse to take the first step in terms of asking somebody out - at least, with the intention of that being a 'date', as opposed to just friends going out.

    I think ISTjs are very bad at appearing vulnerable, so waiting for them to seem like they genuinely want a relationship is an exercise in futility. They play games though. A lot of strategic maneuvering goes on for sure. It's about finding out what the other party wants and is thinking. I know I'm playing these games with another LSI guy, and it's hilarious because I'm fairly certain we totally see through each other's little games - but it is also very comfortable and, well, fun. In a quiet and very exclusionary way.

    Oh, and don't expect ISTjs to not be massively hypocritical when it comes to jealousy. I think they will totally use it as a tool in the whole game-playing thing, but if you try to use it back on them, it'll make them start to shut down if not totally make you out of bounds. As in, if a guy says he's seeing a girl, I'll take that as him being off the market. But I'll tell a guy I'm interested in about another bloke I'm seeing to make him jealous. Or I'll hook up with someone in front of him, again, to make him jealous. It is a bit of a throwing down the gauntlet to see if he'll try to stake a superior claim (which yes, he has), but couple that with the whole make-sure-he-never-finds-out-I-like-him thing, and well, haha, ISTjs are kind of fucked up.

    Sooooo...anyways. Look for physical and verbal cues. If an ISTj is cooly polite to you, then no, they're probably not interested. If they try to catch your attention with a well-placed barb or some other sharp comment, then you're on the right track. If they put their hand on your arm (or your leg, or your c...well, you get the idea), then they probably want you physically (it may only be physically, or it may be more than that). But I think an ISTj, for all the verbal sparring, will never try to make someone they like look bad, especially in front of other people. They just want to test you out, make sure you're able to stand up to them.
    fuck it. I wrote this, not you. Looks like the LSI shows much dexterity with double standards anyway. Playing games rocks when they do it.

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