Stephenie Meyer
oh no, why do you say that?Originally Posted by ScarlettLux
LOL... leave it to the beta NFs (seriously). Her stuff is some garbage.
I once thought that Twilight may have been partially brought about by her stilted high-school experience -- you know, sitting alone at a lunch table, gazing across the room at the cute guy, etc. Anyway, she says the inspiration came from a dream -- more like a DAY DREAM (in school), lol. Sigh. I won't be presumptuous; I just think she's annoyingly complacent. And books that facilitate the entertainment of washed-up romance fantasies add -nothing- to human society -- both materially and spiritually -- instead polluting us and exacerbating the already-festering wound of imagination > work. The fact that someone can get rich off of this shit doesn't exactly bode well, in regards to what we as Americans have come to value. Yeah. Fuck off, meyer.
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Actually, I'm beginning to think once again that Ne-INFj is very likely. This is mostly based on her demeanor in the interview: a combination of complacence and seriousness that seemed very delta overall. Plus, she comes across as much more controlled in her overall disposition than most ISFps I've seen.
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I don't read novel at all, the only one i remember reading are by James perterson, what type is he? Beta NF? most novel author who are popular, I would asumme has Beta NF drama in them, I can see INFj having a bit of that as well, if they are a E-4 as well.
(D)IEE~FI-(C)SLE~Ni E-5w4(Sp/Sx)/7w8(So/Sp)/9w1(sp/sx)
Dude, I love Patterson. And yes, he's Ni-INFp 4w5 sp/sx. That is a real writer. The Alex Cross Series -- that is what fiction is supposed to be.
And I don't think delta NF writers have the same *spark* that beta NFs do. Sorry
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Heed the bolded. She likes to test boundaries and takes risks in her writing? What does that prove? That she has an active imagination? That she entertains fantasies in her writing that she would never dare carry out in real life? That doesn't sound like an ENTj to me (especially if they're such entrepreneurial risk-takers and all). And I don't see how she VIs as EJ or Se-valuing in the slightest, but whatever.
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+1
I see lots of Si, actually.
Climb the mountains and get their good tidings. Nature's peace will flow into you as sunshine flows into trees. The winds will blow their own freshness into you, and the storms their energy, while cares will drop off like autumn leaves.
John Muir
I think she could be Delta NF, Fi-ENFp. She seems extraverted but in a subdued manner imo.
On a other hand, her portrayal of Edward Cullen, who could be a representation of her ideal partner, seem rather ISTp to me - strong and silent, traditional mindset, liking supposedly Si-like hobbies eg. collecting cars, caregiving and always looking out for Bella etc.
Moreover, she seems to have a very high opinion on the actor Robert Pattison and got on quite well with him. He seems like an introverted Delta type to me.
I could say the same thing about my writing.
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I just don't see how the fact that she is so focused on pushing boundaries in fiction writing points to ENTj specifically. She seems very self-contained and complacent overall, with lower energy levels than I would expect from any extrovert. But if you're persisting in this opinion, it's obvious we have completely different ideas of what constitutes an ENTj. And you seem to be completely disregarding her demeanor and mannerisms, in the name of what? Some trait taken out of context and correlated with a type? Just because one specific trait isn't completely incompatible with a given type, does not mean the argument for that type has any more substance. What kind of logic is that? I'm sure that same trait is compatible with other types, so there, the argument for ENTj has been liquidated, based on redundancy.
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How many not so gifted writers are able to convincingly evoke a message in their writing different from what they normally see? I wouldn't call the fan girls of Twilight as mostly deltas living out fantasies they would never dare, particularly given the more Se desirous aspect of it all. How many people write about their PoLR being awesome and breathtaking? I can't help but think of the movie as being heavily geared towards Se/Ni and Te/Fi. Those who've actually read the books may disagree with me.
VI is not my strong suit so I don't have much to share there.
Who cares about her skill as a writer? That has nothing to do with her type. The comment about entertaining things she wouldn't do in real life was a speculation, not a definitive claim; regardless, it bore nothing in regards to her type. The trait glam tried to correlate with ENTj is -not- correlated with ENTj -- at least to the exclusion of its correlation with other types.
I don't think there's an Se desirous aspect of any of it. It's just some writer detailing supernatural romantic fantasies; not function-related. Nor do I think that the type of an author will always necessitate a demographic predominantly populated by people of their quadra.I wouldn't call the fan girls of Twilight as mostly deltas living out fantasies they would never dare, particularly given the more Se desirous aspect of it all.
Well, it's not Se-related.How many people write about their PoLR being awesome and breathtaking?
I haven't seen the movie, and I've read a brief portion of the first book. Nothing about it stood out as especially Se/Ni to me; the writing style itself was overflowing with Si-focused metaphors, imagery and context-building. What I mean is, metaphors would always have some correlation to an impression which could be tied to a sensory experience, not just an abstract interpretation; the imagery was always saturated with details about the physical environment, not the character's internal impressions or whatever (Ni's focus on dynamic descriptions of abstract processes); and the way the book seemed to proceed was very gradational and smooth, as opposed to the more abrupt thematic changes many Ni/Se writers like to utilize, just due to the nature of the functions.I can't help but think of the movie as being heavily geared towards Se/Ni and Te/Fi. Those who've actually read the books may disagree with me.
But, I think VI alone rules out -any- Se-valuing type. I guess most people don't place as much emphasis on it, though.
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Skill of writing is not type related sure, but the ability someone has in conveying aspects more personal or more universal might be. And I think amateurs are more likely to relate from where they stand than looking at people in a more nuanced manner. I get that it isn't a definitive claim, but I think it certainly doesn't preclude ENTj by itself. Plus, and we're in disagreement here since we're talking about different things, but the content and flavor of the material (by this I mean the movie, you by what you've read of the book) does seem all about the guy that sweeps in and puts everything right accordingly to how he privately sees it (which I may rightly or wrongly think is more ISxj oriented). The particular way it's played out in the movie I think is probably more Fi-oriented.
Well, I disagree according to what I've said above. The supernatural fantasies as they seem to be portrayed I think lend themselves to a particular coloring of things. They don't seem to be just a coloring or gimmick, they play a part themselves in reinforcing what you're supposed to see or feel. I won't disagree that there's overlap and some distortion of what a particular quadra might propose, but I do think there are aspects that are more clearly brought forth out of someone that would be odd if they were not the one's they would normally work out of. Granted, most of this is probably more true of the director perhaps than the writer. I don't know how much input she had, if it was true to or fucked up what the author saw in her head.I don't think there's an Se desirous aspect of any of it. It's just some writer detailing supernatural romantic fantasies; not function-related. Nor do I think that the type of an author will always necessitate a demographic predominantly populated by people of their quadra.
Um, book vs movie phenomenon still probably.Well, it's not Se-related.
Totally can't comment here. I'll agree it doesn't sound like the more Ni writers I've read, like Nora Zeal Hurston or James Baldwin, though those were both INFp I think.I haven't seen the movie, and I've read a brief portion of the first book. Nothing about it stood out as especially Se/Ni to me; the writing style itself was overflowing with Si-focused metaphors, imagery and context-building. What I mean is, metaphors would always have some correlation to an impression which could be tied to a sensory experience, not just an abstract interpretation; the imagery was always saturated with details about the physical environment, not the character's internal impressions or whatever (Ni's focus on dynamic descriptions of abstract processes); and the way the book seemed to proceed was very gradational and smooth, as opposed to the more abrupt thematic changes many Ni/Se writers like to utilize, just due to the nature of the functions.
Yeah, I leave that to you. I do think you're damn good at it, but I gotta say where I think something may be wrong, whether I'm full of shit or not.But, I think VI alone rules out -any- Se-valuing type. I guess most people don't place as much emphasis on it, though.
Also, I might add that my ability to read and write sentences right now is fucking phenomenal, relatively speaking.
Which is slightly different than when Ezra said there was some relative lesbian action on Skins. I was thinking relative to whaaa...oh.
Maybe. But it's the coloring of the expression of this ability which I think ultimately illustrates functions.
Well, yeah. But I don't think it precludes any other type.And I think amateurs are more likely to relate from where they stand than looking at people in a more nuanced manner. I get that it isn't a definitive claim, but I think it certainly doesn't preclude ENTj by itself.
Yeah, I haven't seen the movie, so I can't fully interpret what you're referring to. Although, despite not knowing the full extent of the trait you mentioned, I am hesitant to take something behavioral like that and draw a direct correlation to a function.Plus, and we're in disagreement here since we're talking about different things, but the content and flavor of the material (by this I mean the movie, you by what you've read of the book) does seem all about the guy that sweeps in and puts everything right accordingly to how he privately sees it (which I may rightly or wrongly think is more ISxj oriented). The particular way it's played out in the movie I think is probably more Fi-oriented.
Hm, good points. I do think there is a certain inevitability to functions, in the sense that no matter what we do, they will always shape the contours, to some degree. So, I suppose when examining certain quadra themes in reference to a specific style implemented by a writer/director, those preferences may be pointed to. On the other hand, that matter seems too detailed to be utilized frequently, and I see little worth in the case of this person.Well, I disagree according to what I've said above. The supernatural fantasies as they seem to be portrayed I think lend themselves to a particular coloring of things. They don't seem to be just a coloring or gimmick, they play a part themselves in reinforcing what you're supposed to see or feel. I won't disagree that there's overlap and some distortion of what a particular quadra might propose, but I do think there are aspects that are more clearly brought forth out of someone that would be odd if they were not the one's they would normally work out of. Granted, most of this is probably more true of the director perhaps than the writer. I don't know how much input she had, if it was true to or fucked up what the author saw in her head.
Yeah, ok. Thanks. And I appreciate the honesty.Um, book vs movie phenomenon still probably.
Totally can't comment here. I'll agree it doesn't sound like the more Ni writers I've read, like Nora Zeal Hurston or James Baldwin, though those were both INFp I think.
Yeah, I leave that to you. I do think you're damn good at it, but I gotta say where I think something may be wrong, whether I'm full of shit or not.
lol.
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I would say that my goal in writing is to make the reader feel how I feel when I write, to live through my eyes. This might sound a little feminine, but I love writing doomed romance stories, and of course, one could say that everything romantic has been written already, in one form or another. So I try to experiment and push the limits, test what sounds new and hasn't been done over again and again. Every story needs to have romance in it when I write stories, it just plain has to. I want them to hold the paper to their chest and sigh longingly. Therefore, you must push the limit, because you are nothing if you're just another.
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Man, Kam! It's eerie how much that sounds like me, especially when I was younger.
This is interesting, but I can't say I really relate. Mainly just that I would not want to make the reader feel how I felt, or see it through my eyes; that, to me, would detract from the essential quality of the writing. I'd rather produce something that had the same effect, regardless of the readers' interpretations of my feelings or perspective or whatever. Because when there's that fundamental consistency in the message it communicates and the feelings it engenders, to me, that epitomizes "true" quality.
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I have noticed irl that Twilight's following is composed of Alpha's mainly and also Delta's.
I cannot fathom a gamma enjoying that atmosphere, and I think Beta's also would not be keen on it.
I have neither read the stories nor seen the movie, but I get a general Alpha/Delta impression from the fans.
*edit: Maybe a good thread would be "goals in writing"?
The end is nigh
Maybe I exaggerated a little bit in what I said. I don't believe that it would be possible for someone to feel how I felt when I wrote it when they read the story. I meant more of the superficial, "This is good writing/This is a cute story." thing. To reach into my reasons for writing the story or to get someone to feel the same exact way I do, it'd be nice, but I don't think it is possible nor would I want it to be possible. Once again, it was more of the "cute story, how nice" emotions.
Anyway, I think we need to ask meyers what her goal is.
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Ok, that makes sense.
Apparently she just writes for herself. I think she said that like three times in the first half of the interview. It was really annoying to me, and it conjured the image of her gorging herself with pages of text -- which, when viewed in light of her general personality, is quite appropriate IMO.Anyway, I think we need to ask meyers what her goal is.
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That makes a little sense for me, I see writing as a personal thing, so if she writes for herself, that's cool. And if legions of girls want to read it, that's cool too.
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I agree with ENTj.
Really? Because I have noticed, in real life, that Twilight's following is composed mainly of Alphas, Betas, Gammas and Deltas.
Strangely, I have also noticed, in real life, that Alphas, Betas, Gammas and Deltas dislike it.
We must be on to something.
Ceci n'est pas une eii.
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I think, though, that external circumstances aside (such as hype backlash), certain types are going to like certain things about Twilight; and that might well lead to certain types being more present in the fandom than others. I think this was Jake's point. Or rather, Jake's point was about Quadras--I think it could be more about ego elements. But I refuse to say anything conclusively one way or the other on that.
Yeah. It's a bunch of bland, distended pseudo-sensory descriptions with all of the most irrelevant details piled into one garbage heap.
And lol @ whoever suggested she pushes boundaries in her writing.
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I understand what ArchonAlarion is saying, I just happen to disagree.You need to post more
I think, though, that external circumstances aside (such as hype backlash), certain types are going to like certain things about Twilight; and that might well lead to certain types being more present in the fandom than others. I think this was Jake's point. Or rather, Jake's point was about Quadras--I think it could be more about ego elements.
Just because, in this particular forum, the Betas are the most vocal about their loathing for this novel, does not necessarily mean that it is mainly Betas who dislike it nor does it imply that Deltas (or Alphas) will make up most of the fan base.
But I refuse to say anything conclusively one way or the other on that.
Ceci n'est pas une eii.
Oh, fine :tongue:
Types of people I know that are instantly interested in any fiction as soon as you mention the world "relationships":
EII, ESI, IEE. The EII has read Twilight. I will confess to being interested in it
Types of people I know that instantly recoil:
SLI, SLI, SLI. (Though to be fair, one of those SLIs otherwise seems to enjoy immersing himself in heartbreak.)
Conclusion: inconclusive? I think Fi egos are naturally drawn to things with Fi in it, though. There's any number of personal things that could contradict this, however.
I'd like to hear what Cyrano and you have to say about this, though
From her video, I think she's EII. She came off as introverted, didn't move a lot, probably IJ. I also got a delta vibe from her. Definitely more Fi than Fe.
LII-Ne with strong EII tendencies, 6w7-9w1-3w4 so/sp/sx, INxP
SEI
ILE "Searcher"
Socionics: ENTp
DCNH: Dominant
Enneagram: 7w6 "Enthusiast"
MBTI: ENTJ "Field Marshall" or ENTP "Inventor"
Astrological sign: Aquarius
To learn, read. To know, write. To master, teach.
Fe ego
ESE-Si
At first glance I would think Alpha introvert but might lean more towards LII over SEI.
Would need to take a further look when free if I remember.
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