I dont think this is new ground, i probablly actually got this idea somewhere from this forum. Im interested if its all gammas, or if it is more my ISFj mums viewpoint. I had a big discussion / argument with my ESTj friend. I dont really want to argue the ins and outs of the situation that much, as i just like playing the devils advocate.
I talked to my mum about global warming. She doesn't really believe in it or think about it (thats cool no worries), and she said to me that if i felt so strongly about it, i would change my ways. I am in total agreement with her, and i said to my ESTj friend that it is not possible for me to make an argument against this kind of reasoning, its morally indefensible. He disagreed and said that until the government changes things, nothing will possibly change. So ESTj and i got into an argument that was like
"But if every single person cared enough then the situation would change"
"ESTj: but they dont so the government needs to step in"
"I agree definately, but you see that my mum is right in saying that i should do my bit"
"ESTJ: no she is wrong. What can you do about it if no one else does?"
"That is her point, i need to make a change myself to try to instigate change in others (practice what i preach)".
"ESTJ: But you cant change anything"
"So you are basically giving me liscense to litter and do what i want because it is not my problem?"
And so on.. The argument continued like this.
Another topic of discussion was the Aboriginal people in Australia. Let me just say that i am not racist and i do understand what they have been through, i just enjoy being a devils advocate. I was basically arguing from my ISFj mums viewpoint.
"its time for them to get over their problems, they are too focused on the past and caring about things that happened in the past"
"ESTj: but they have had an awful history of what the white man did to them, etc etc is in dissaray"
"I do totally agree, but i just wonder at what point there true empowerment is going to happen. If we coddle them and say sorry to them we keep validating them when they should be moving on".
etc etc. Anyway i hope with those examples you might be able to see the different quadra values. Something like this
Delta: People aren't really responsible for their own actions. They are a product of their history and need to be helped.
Gamma: People should have enough willpower to overcome their problems, they are responsible for their own lives and actions.
I personally think both viewpoints are correct, theres just a line that needs to be drawn. If you took the extreme delta viewpoint for example, you could make excuses for every human action. "He raped her?" Well he was raped as a child so thats why. If you took the extreme gamma viewpoint, it might be a bit harsh. "what a looser alcoholic" when his father used to beat him.