I could be either. Who knows. Who cares.
Why do most assume I am SLE-Ti?
I could be either. Who knows. Who cares.
QFTOriginally Posted by Ezra
ILE
7w8 so/sp
Very busy with work. Only kind of around.
Moonlight will fall
Winter will end
Harvest will come
Your heart will mend
maybe your agressiveness.
If I may stereotype ESTP's (or ESTp's as you would like to see it),
Se subtype: the standup comedian: joking, likes performing, likes attention
Ti subtype: the boxer: more agressive and loud, ready and not afraid, less attention seeking
Just my point of view.
By that definition... I'm not SLE.
I avoid the stereotypical "fearless", "ready to kick the shit out of you!" stereotype of the SLE, but manage to fall right into the loud, aggressive, confident, self-centred, playful, attention-seeking categories.
I wouldn't call you aggressive. You seem harmless. You are, though quite playful and 'rambunctious' is a better word. However you are not intimidating in the least. Your frat boy, gonzo porn-esque howard stern-y style of humor isn't really biting so much as it is juvenile. But I kinda like the same stuff so yeah. I don't mind.
As for confident? Yes, I agree that you're self-confident. And loud? Maybe... you're definitely extroverted though.
Yeah, you are right. I'm not aggressive. It's just that some pussy Alphas and Deltas don't like the fact that I might "come on too strong". I am quite intense in real life conversation; maybe that's what they see as aggressive. Also, I am quite confrontational and challenging, and some people who aren't used to my tone can perceive this as being aggressive.
lolYou are, though quite playful and 'rambunctious' is a better word. However you are not intimidating in the least. Your frat boy, gonzo porn-esque howard stern-y style of humor isn't really biting so much as it is juvenile. But I kinda like the same stuff so yeah. I don't mind.
I remember reading about Howard Stern a while ago. Can't remember why. You're probably right. It is all those things. I truly do belong in America.
I'm certainly not British.
Again, it's an Alpha/Delta issue with my levels of "loudness". I used to get sick of people telling me to be quiet when there was no need for it. Okay, discussing sensitive topics like why a lot of black people are into knife crime while walking through a predominantly black neighbourhood may be reason to keep the noise levels low, but when it's just ordinary conversation - no.As for confident? Yes, I agree that you're self-confident. And loud? Maybe... you're definitely extroverted though.
This pissed me off for some reason.....I guess I pictured it being said to me.....
I'm just saying, its kind of annoying.
SEE Unknown Subtype
6w7 sx/so
[21:29] hitta: idealism is just the gap between the thought of death
[21:29] hitta: and not dying
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I'm sorry I pissed you off.
i don't know. i think you are sle-se, but i think you hide your mob boss demeanor well. We all secretly fear your retribution when it comes to analysis of historical figures- that, like your secret demeanor, is something we hide.
asd
Ezra is just play acting to me when he thinks he's all macho thuggery. It just comes across as campy rather than actually masculine. He calmed down a lot since he's been here though, much like me, so I like him for that.
Personally I think you're reactionary. Everyone calms down, you calm down.
Precisely.
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Se subtype would make more sense to me as well. You're much closer to gamma and I would even consider Se-SEE as your type, be it just because of your physical resemblance to Scarlett Johanson.
Seriously though, you're too far from ILE-Ti.
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Um, I was just saying thaaaat, if B&D had addressed ME that way, I'd be annoyed....
....I guess the only reason I'm mentioning is to point out how annoying it is? Guess no one else cares/relates.
SEE Unknown Subtype
6w7 sx/so
[21:29] hitta: idealism is just the gap between the thought of death
[21:29] hitta: and not dying
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maybe, however they aren't to be ignored.
thanks ;p
SEE Unknown Subtype
6w7 sx/so
[21:29] hitta: idealism is just the gap between the thought of death
[21:29] hitta: and not dying
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Watch your bum, Ez!Se subtype would make more sense to me as well. You're much closer to gamma and I would even consider Se-SEE as your type, be it just because of your physical resemblance to Scarlett Johanson.
Seriously though, you're too far from ILE-Ti.
Though I can see the point being made here.
Moonlight will fall
Winter will end
Harvest will come
Your heart will mend
Maybe it's because I'm just so fucking confident in my capacities I override all of that. I shit on Fi PoLR insecurities.
Oh I see how you're working. Basically, if I was Ti subtype, that would make me closer to Alpha, and if I was Se subtype, that would make me closer to Gamma (based on each quadra's values).i hadn't entirely conceived what a Se-SLE would be like until more recently (a lot of my past Se-SLE typings probably better fit the prototype, e.g. Mike Tyson.) but as for Se-SLE themselves, i think Ezra probably is one. note his past self-typings tend away from Alpha, or how he receives Ne arguments like Ti-ILE user Steve's.
Yeah, I've always definitely been Se/Ni. To consider otherwise is just fucking... stupid.Se subtype would make more sense to me as well. You're much closer to gamma and I would even consider Se-SEE as your type, be it just because of your physical resemblance to Scarlett Johanson.
Seriously though, you're too far from ILE-Ti.
Sounds like my kinda guy.
I don't understand that sentence.
I suppose it's easy initially to get mixed up between opposing quadra types of the same club. Like I saw my brother as SF club for definite, but I didn't know if he was an SEE or ESE until I observed him more closely. Hence, "quasi identity"!well not everyone is as aware of Gamma values. when i observe Gamma values, more superficial charachteristics of theirs stand out and they can resemble Alphas (at a distance).
In that case, you are wrong.
If subtype does actually mean that you are closer to the type that shares the subtype function, then I agree.
lol
And what sentiments in particular are you suggesting I'm showing?
LOL
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
I still don't understand what you're trying to say. Speak plainly, man, and with ease! Or I shan't trust thy lies with all of that which is in my power.
is this accurate??
so Ti subtype tries to get more Fe response, not paying any attention to Fi matters, may make more Fi blunders than Se subtype and not care, or does he worry over this as a weakness of his? or maybe is not type but is related to individuals
okay, thanks.. i need to look more into the enneagram then. what types are SLEs usually, are SLE-Tis one type typically a type and SLE-Ses typically a type??
ooh, i had not heard that before, that makes sense to me. i will have to think about this and look for it in the SLEs i know
Theoretically SLE-Tis will have all their introverted functions strengthened (or at least more in focus) than SLE-Ses.
Also, I think how you deal with your PoLR is individual. Some SLEs will ignore Fi matters, some will over-focus on them.
Way I saw it (mainly based on how the two subtypes are described), SLE-Se can be more outwardly aggressive (as well as more flamboyant and playful), whereas SLE-Ti is more subdued, more likely to keep an eye on their surroundings for ways to take control and assert their influence.
Sort of. It's accurate to the extent that it describes SLEs as an aggressive and playful type focused mainly on making an impact in its surroundings. As I just mentioned though I think he got the subtypes wrong. Here's what Gulenko has to say on the matter:
SLE-Se: 8w7, 7w8, 3w4, 6w7 (counter-phobic).
SLE-Ti: 8wX, 3wX, 1wX, 6wX (counter-phobic).
Last edited by Aleksei; 12-02-2010 at 03:26 PM.
What do these signs mean—,
, etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason,
Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function(extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).
For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.
-Victor Gulenko, Dmitri Lytov
No waySLE-Ti:1wX
To be honest I am not even sure six exist for them.
(D)IEE~FI-(C)SLE~Ni E-5w4(Sp/Sx)/7w8(So/Sp)/9w1(sp/sx)
Sure it does.
Any type can be a Six, counterphobia's the reason why. Beta STs could easily be counterphobic.Other Sixes adopt the opposite strategy of dealing with fear, and become counterphobic, essentially taking a defiant stand against whatever they find threatening. This is the Six who takes on authority or who adopts a dare devil attitude towards physical danger. Counterphobic Sixes can be agressive and, rather than looking for authorities, can adopt a rebellious or anti-authoritarian demeanor. Counterphobic Sixes are often unaware of the fear that motivates their actions.
What do these signs mean—
Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function
For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.
-Victor Gulenko, Dmitri Lytov
You have any real life people example? I would gladly take a look.
(D)IEE~FI-(C)SLE~Ni E-5w4(Sp/Sx)/7w8(So/Sp)/9w1(sp/sx)
I'll get back to you on that one, but from a theoretical perspective wouldn't an attitude of charging head-on against anything that provokes fear or anxiety sound like a very Beta-ST attitude?
What do these signs mean—
Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function
For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.
-Victor Gulenko, Dmitri Lytov
Generally, I don't think it's a good idea to base socionics 's type attitude with Ennegaram type. I know people here have said EIE with Fe ego can mostly likely be two, or ISFj with Se ego describe an eight, and so far. But I have never met any of those types in real life, that's when I think concrete evidences measures up.
(D)IEE~FI-(C)SLE~Ni E-5w4(Sp/Sx)/7w8(So/Sp)/9w1(sp/sx)
Isn't that a good example of Ti acknowledging the need for Te in real life? Nevermind...
"Everyone carries a shadow, and the less it is embodied in the individual’s conscious life, the blacker and denser it is.
At all counts, it forms an unconscious snag, thwarting our most well-meant intentions."
C. G. Jung
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Potentially, any Socionics type could equate to any Enneagram type, as they are two separate systems. The same is true with MBTI, Keirsey and any other separate style of Jungian typology, but people have a harder time buying it. :wink: What I'm doing here is equating a given Socionics type with E-types that are likely to correspond to it.
Besides, your initial statement (which if I'm not mistaken was along the lines of "SLEs can't be 6") would be correlating Socionics to Enneagram, no?
As a general rule though, any type that can be 8 can be counter-phobic 6. They're very similar (I actually mistook my counter-phobic cousin for 8w7 once). Incidentally, said cousin is a good real-life example of a Beta ST Six (LSI-Se, 6w7 sp/so), but you don't know her so it doesn't work.
What do these signs mean—
Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function
For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.
-Victor Gulenko, Dmitri Lytov
I definity don't buy this, maybe for Meyer briggs but not for socionics, one socionic type can only be a few enneagram types, not all.
(D)IEE~FI-(C)SLE~Ni E-5w4(Sp/Sx)/7w8(So/Sp)/9w1(sp/sx)
Why not?
What do these signs mean—
Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function
For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.
-Victor Gulenko, Dmitri Lytov
it's just not true in real life, after you type someone by socionics and enneagram (and it tooks me a while to come to this conclusion for me) you noticed that one socionics only matches some enneagram types and not others.
Now I wouldn't know why..... said, "Higher power created personality this way, like say why does physics or chemistry just work the way it does on earth?"
(D)IEE~FI-(C)SLE~Ni E-5w4(Sp/Sx)/7w8(So/Sp)/9w1(sp/sx)
And same between MBTI and socionics.
"Everyone carries a shadow, and the less it is embodied in the individual’s conscious life, the blacker and denser it is.
At all counts, it forms an unconscious snag, thwarting our most well-meant intentions."
C. G. Jung
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That doesn't really shut out the possibility of type combinations outside of the normal range existing. It just means they haven't been found yet. Maybe they don't exist, to be sure, but in the world of theoretical possibilities, it's not an impossibility.
Not that this really affect this discussion anyway. As I said, a counter-phobic 6 is basically equivalent to a hyper-paranoid 8. By the way, examples of Beta ST Sixes:
Josef Stalin- LSI-Se 6w5 sp/sx
Tony Soprano (The Sopranos)- SLE-Se 6w7 sp/sx
Ben Reynolds (Lie to Me)- LSI-Se 6w5 sp/so
That one I can assure you is bunk. I habitually type people using both systems, and I've found no less than 5 MBTI types corresponding to any one Socionics type, and vice-versa.
What do these signs mean—
Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function
For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.
-Victor Gulenko, Dmitri Lytov
Only if you assume socionics and enneagram are about the same aspect of personality. For me, I found most "incompatible combinations lists" I met with laughable. One had ESE and 6 as impossible (have they ever heard of Ni-PoLR, I wonder? Not all ESEs are 2s, by the way), someone else tried to explain that only Sensors can be 1s, 9s and 8s, since it's a gut triad, then I keep hearing how 7s have to be extraverts because of "energy levels" (wtf?), or that LIIs can't be 4s (seriously?). Yes, stereotypical ESE is E2, stereotypical IEI is E4, stereotypical LII and ILI - E5. Strong correlations like these are what creates these stereotypes in the first place, and influences type profiles, often by an inclusion of traits which otherwise don't seem related to information metabolism. It doesn't make it set in stone, still. I am not claiming each and every combination exists, and some are hard to imagine. Those I've met with aren't, obviously, which is likely what creates bias in everyone, but it doesn't mean there aren't there.
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