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    What functions do you think are evident in the following conversation?



    You have no choice. This is what you have to do.

    Itíd be easier if I didnít have a choice, but I do.

    This way results in success; this one - failure. Who in their right mind would choose failure? So you donít have a choice.

    Well I do. I have a choice between success or failure then Ė if you want to label them like that.

    But failure isnít an option.

    Why not?

    What are you talking about? Of course itís not an option.

    Iím just saying that technically, I have a choice. I donít understand why you want me to tell myself that I donít, when I do. Do you think I can trick myself into believing thereís only one way to go about this?

    Itís not about tricking. Itís about looking at the situation logically. There is only one logical way to go about this, and once you determine which way that is, you have to go that route. Why on earth would you go the other way?

    Itís not about why. Iím just saying that I canít pretend to myself that I donít have a choice when I do.

    But you donít!! Success or failure. What sane person would choose failure?

    Thatís just zooming ahead to the end result though. If I were a robot, that would be really helpful. But it's not taking into account willpower or lack thereof, continued motivation and things like that.

    So this is why you make your plans ahead of time. That way youíve made a commitment in your head Ė itís set in concrete, and you know you have no option but to stick to it.

    But I do have an option! How is it stuck in concrete?!

    etc..
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    This conversation reminds me of these (BTW, I'd say the people of your conversation are superegos)


    http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=k9lo_qeeR6Y


    http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q3FlvsLFpY
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    Person in cursive Ni.
    ...the human race will disappear. Other races will appear and disappear in turn. The sky will become icy and void, pierced by the feeble light of half-dead stars. Which will also disappear. Everything will disappear. And what human beings do is just as free of sense as the free motion of elementary particles. Good, evil, morality, feelings? Pure 'Victorian fictions'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    This conversation reminds me of these
    lol yeah (c:
    (BTW, I'd say the people of your conversation are superegos)
    Why superegos?
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    is this you with your mom again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jem View Post
    lol yeah (c:Why superegos?
    TBH I'm not sure, but I think they (you?) are from different quadras, probably alpha and gamma. They value different things. It reminds me of a typical alpha-gamma talk: "do things my way, being different is wrong"- "fuck you, I know what is best for me"
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    Quote Originally Posted by redbaron View Post
    is this you with your mom again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by redbaron View Post
    is this you with your mom again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    TBH I'm not sure, but I think they (you?) are from different quadras, probably alpha and gamma. They value different things. It reminds me of a typical alpha-gamma talk: "do things my way, being different is wrong"- "fuck you, I know what is best for me"
    oh ok thanks (c: :-/
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    What stands out the most to me is Ne/Si irrational vs. Se/Ni rational.
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    I think the italics person is a shallow idiot.

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    Interesting that you posted that video, slater. Mr. Smith is a textbook Ti-ISTj. And the logic in that situation seemed sort of beta ST absolute'ish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    Interesting that you posted that video, slater. Mr. Smith is a textbook Ti-ISTj. And the logic in that situation seemed sort of beta ST absolute'ish.
    Yeah!

    Beta: you have two options, A and B

    Whoever: B

    Beta: don't you prefer A

    Whoever: No

    Beta: so, it's gonna be A for you. I'm happy you chose A

    Whoever: aarrrggg

    Beta: damn!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warlord View Post
    Person in cursive Ni.
    It looks more Se-Ti to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    Interesting that you posted that video, slater. Mr. Smith is a textbook Ti-ISTj. And the logic in that situation seemed sort of beta ST absolute'ish.
    I agree, although I wouldn't put it past any ISXj to talk like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    Yeah!

    Beta: you have two options, A and B

    Whoever: B

    Beta: don't you prefer A

    Whoever: No

    Beta: so, it's gonna be A for you. I'm happy you chose A

    Whoever: aarrrggg

    Beta: damn!
    lol

    I'd have a lot of trouble with the italicized argument if it was presented to me. Probably I'd end up thinking of random examples/situations as a challenge, for fun, and obviously to frustrate them until they gave up on me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mn0good View Post
    I agree, although I wouldn't put it past any ISXj to talk like that.
    I couldn't see an ISFj being that peremptory about something dealing with a "logical" decision; they have an aversion to those types of formulations regarding people, choices, etc. They may definitely possess the same undertone of firmness and rigidity, but I don't think they would bother with absolutist categorical stuff.
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    The italics person is probably Se/Ni valuing. The other one is Si/Ne. The italics person seems to be a rational feeler, but I'm not so sure about that.

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    The person in italics drinks Pepsi. The other doesn't.
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    This way results in success; this one - failure. Who in their right mind would choose failure? So you donít have a choice.

    Well I do. I have a choice between success or failure then Ė if you want to label them like that.

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    The first person is thinking along the lines of the choice defines the motive

    The second person is thinking along the lines of the motive defines the choice

    Both are right, its just a matter of perception - one is looking outward-in the other inward-out

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    It looks more Se-Ti to me.
    Yeah I speculated that the person is ISTj. But the Ni-valuing was most obvious to me.
    ...the human race will disappear. Other races will appear and disappear in turn. The sky will become icy and void, pierced by the feeble light of half-dead stars. Which will also disappear. Everything will disappear. And what human beings do is just as free of sense as the free motion of elementary particles. Good, evil, morality, feelings? Pure 'Victorian fictions'.

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    A "failure" now may lead to future successes.

    I'd probably kill that person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warlord View Post
    Yeah I speculated that the person is ISTj. But the Ni-valuing was most obvious to me.
    Ah, you meant Ni-valuing, then okay, yes, that seems to be a resolute quadra kind of thing.
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    The person in italics really brought up some nice points, on success vs failure. If you don't want to fail, there is only one choice in any situation. Although as Mr. Mariner said,

    A "failure" now may lead to future successes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamangir View Post
    The person in italics really brought up some nice points, on success vs failure. If you don't want to fail, there is only one choice in any situation. Although as Mr. Mariner said,

    A "failure" now may lead to future successes.
    Yeah ... I get the concept of "choosing success" and whatnot - my main problem with that viewpoint is the assumption that there is only one road to success and the implication that the definition of success is something universally agreed upon .. as opposed to an individually-defined thing. But there's no point in arguing it with italics :-p ... seriously, we're as different as night and day. Which makes me think that perhaps we're conflictors. There are just too many ?? moments ... where we just can't believe that each other would think or feel the way she does.
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    Success is relative. Just tell her that. Just hit her in the face and say it. (:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamangir View Post
    Success is relative. Just tell her that. Just hit her in the face and say it. (:
    Ok - I'll let you know how it goes!
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