Miley Cyrus: Such an enneagram type 3

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

Nobody's Perfect: A very 'type 3' song.

Typical enneatype 3 'at their best' brainwashing gimmick used to make our American youth all consumers instead of creators. Self-depreciating yet self-confident, Miley is everything she seems to be. The ideal image is rubbing against Miley's true self (they constantly play with the two forces in order to create the emotional resonance of the song. "Patchin up the holes, then it overflows"), and you can practically see how psychologically the two inner worlds are connecting and making her a star. That's what makes the song so catchy and inspiring. "Always get it right in the end you know I do" typical type 3 positive bullshit that is screaming to the rest of the country 'GET OVER YOUR INTROVERTED EMO NESS AND JUST DO IT YOU LIBERAL SCUMS!'

The lighting of the song also looks very integrate-y. Just when you think she's being too cocky it retains this kinda dorky, social worker glaze, the 'aw shucks' yellow soft-glow light of suburban teen dorkiness and faux-ambivalence that lets us know she has fully integrated into a 6 and thusly is secure, and won't use her incredible power over us to stomp all us losers into total submission. (The average/unhealthy 3s are still doing this in high schools across america)

My god this country sure does have its ass up 3s though doesn't it.

Whoever said before that Miley was an enneagram type 4, is clearly wrong btw. I just don't see how you could see that. No offense though, I just... it's weird to me that she could be considered a 4. It's not a true work of art, its a catchy/mainstream pop song that is mind controlling me to buy Miley dolls to play with in my basement and worship the enneagram type 3 for all of time.

But still I can't help but like it. Argh!

[Binky]

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

That dude's hot.

[jessica129]

UGH

What type is she? I need some solid reason as to why I hate her so much. Seeing her in those dumbass poses makes my skin crawl. Oh god she is grating. She needs to fix those horse teeth.

Oh yeah all the Baldwins are hot.

[strrrng]

Fe-ISFp. That's a good point, Sam, although I don't necessarily think that singing some bullshit song that was ghostwritten for you makes you a 3. Consider: 3 values have pervaded American society for the past century—so strongly in fact, that in a correlational study between the enneagram and DSM III, there was no mental disorder to assign to the 3 fixation/neurosis (deceit, vanity). I'm open to reconsidering her e-type, but I think one has to consider that a teenage female singer living in the spotlight of a society that promotes said values, is likely to express them, if for no other reason than being told to by her agent, etc.

Celine Dion is an Fe-ISFp 3w4; Amanda Bynes is an Fe-ISFp 4w3. Also, Cyrus is most likely so/sx instinct, which is the most attention-seeking stacking.

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

Hmm. Yeah, that... is a good point. Problem is Miley Cyrus is so incredibly popular and powerful, who she is basically IS the media image. She's outgoing and spends lots of time with people. so yeah, she hasn't even developed her own self yet and although she says she'll be upbeat, I'm a realist and I don't wish her any harm, but I see her basically pulling a Britney in a few years from all the intense fame and responsibility that's placed on her. she was already involved in topless photos. Not that I care, me of people certainly is somebody that isn't a sexual prude. But I just hope she doesn't die young.

Who she is is basically whatever her agent/everybody around her tells she is. Dear god that must be... weird. But part of me always understood what it was like to be a celebrity. Not that I'll ever be famous I just kinda get the essence weirdly, of being admired and not fitting in at all.

3 ideals are just... too much in the world. It's gotten ridiculous. We value them too much. The types are all supposed to be equal. I just want to see a bunch of 3s getting the shit kicked out of them for some kind of karma balance already. But I suppose in other cultures 3s are despised of. Hmm. What culture would a 3 be hated in?

[betterthan]

Hmm. Yeah, that... is a good point. Problem is Miley Cyrus is so incredibly popular and powerful, who she is basically IS the media image. She's outgoing and spends lots of time with people. so yeah, she hasn't even developed her own self yet and although she says she'll be upbeat, I'm a realist and I don't wish her any harm, but I see her basically pulling a Britney in a few years from all the intense fame and responsibility that's placed on her. she was already involved in topless photos. Not that I care, me of people certainly is somebody that isn't a sexual prude. But I just hope she doesn't die young.

Who she is is basically whatever her agent/everybody around her tells she is. Dear god that must be... weird. But part of me always understood what it was like to be a celebrity. Not that I'll ever be famous I just kinda get the essence weirdly, of being admired and not fitting in at all.

3 ideals are just... too much in the world. It's gotten ridiculous. We value them too much. The types are all supposed to be equal. I just want to see a bunch of 3s getting the shit kicked out of them for some kind of karma balance already. But I suppose in other cultures 3s are despised of. Hmm. What culture would a 3 be hated in?

Um, no culture coz they would morph into the ideal of the culture. Though 'society' 'values' 3s, I think the vast majority of individuals despise them tbh, from myb experience at least, even friends of 3s get really pissed off with that morphing shit they pull. It's like WHO ARE YOU?! And who am I in comparison? Do you really love me or do you love the benefits of being with someone in my 'position'...I do like a lot of threes a lot, but they seem like shadows, there seems no real depth so how can you have a proper relationship with them...?

But lol, good post, miley is so annoying, and I reckon you a right about her going to do a Britney, oh what type (e & socionics?) do you think Britney is btw?

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

Britney seems like a 7, actually. Socionics type hmmmm not sure. (sorry I'm a bit stuck on e-types now)

I agree, 3s are very shallow and shadow-y because how morphy they are. Like, the general society and authority figures and somebody's grandma. I think they may have a really deep rooted fear of parental rejection... since their stuff is so mainstreamy only the most whitebread person on existance would like them.

I'm guilty of it myself, being white and rather bland. But there's just no quirk, no color. It's all 'society.' What society wants. Who is society? That's very Orwellian....

[betterthan]

Britney seems like a 7, actually. Socionics type hmmmm not sure. (sorry I'm a bit stuck on e-types now)

I agree, 3s are very shallow and shadow-y because how morphy they are. Like, the general society and authority figures and somebody's grandma. I think they may have a really deep rooted fear of parental rejection... since their stuff is so mainstreamy only the most whitebread person on existance would like them.

I'm guilty of it myself, being white and rather bland. But there's just no quirk, no color. It's all 'society.' What society wants. Who is society? That's very Orwellian....

Yeah e7 seems like a good bet, it explains the whole 'sudden' erruption followed by a spiral. I was watching Britney on record (or something like that) and she was talking about how she was distracting herself from the pain by going out and about how she chased after 'ideals' - she said that she married Kevin, not because she loved him but more for the idea of being married, which seems very e7 like, I think I haven't be up with the E for a long time! But then she seems too vulnerable, and not as manic (maybe bipolar manic, but she doesn't have that crazy energy of a 7 running from their pain) also sort of introspective (which isn't really easy to see, because she doesn't seem very intelligent lol) - so I also think she could be e6 maybe, do you think she could be? I have heard of ISFp & SEE for he type, but I don't think she is SEE at all, but you could well be ISFp.


LOL! Yeah I agree ! Me too, but with IEIs I think it's real, we value realness, I feel like to be fake would be a betrayal of self, which is why I feel so uncomfortable around e3s.

[strrrng]

What culture would a 3 be hated in?

Isn't this a paradox? If 3s embody ideals and values which they think will be praised, the culture will sort of dictate this. But then again, I don't think 3s are simply about embodying normal values; at their essence, they just want to implement some image. Some rebel and ignore decorum; but they are still creating a persona for themselves.

And britney isn't a 7... lol, lord. 4w3 or 3w4. And not ESFp. bleh.

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

She's moody and self-absorbed and emotionally withdrawn like 4s? I guess... she always seemed kinda bubbly tho well until her obvious break down. Well... I think that's typical of a lot of celebs who can suffer from loneliness and like 'nobody understands the real them' I was shocked to learn how many celebs are dating 'normal people' now as supposed to other celebs. It seems to work better for them.

Oh yea good point on the paradox thing.... that's really, dangerous 3s are more of a bothersome to other people than themselves, there really is no helping them in my book since they tend to do everything themselves. Most of the other types just self-destruct. I'm probably oversimplying things. But they just don't seem to be the type that would harm themseves and set themselves back. Except for their 'true inner emo feelings' or whatever but nobody cares about that besides each individual.

[strrrng]

She's moody and self-absorbed and emotionally withdrawn like 4s? I guess... she always seemed kinda bubbly well until her obvious break down. Well... I think that's typical of a lot of celebs who can suffer from loneliness and like 'nobody understands the real them' I was shocked to learn how many celebs are dating 'normal people' now as supposed to other celebs. It seems to work better for them.

so/sx 4s are the most shame-ridden, thus the most likely to act all jubilant and stuff. 3s will always have a willful drivenness about them; most of the ISFp female celebs are little 4w3s looking for a real self to be valued by others. sp-lasts have a more expansive quality, so they can easily mesh with the hollywood image, especially if they introject those ideals (once a 4 takes on a trait, it's indelible in a way... combine that with 3 wing...).

Oh yea good point on the paradox thing.... that's really, dangerous 3s are more of a bothersome to other people than themselves, there really is no helping them in my book since they tend to do everything themselves. Most of the other types just self-destruct. I'm probably oversimplying things. But they just don't seem to be the type that would harm themseves and set themselves back. Except for their 'true inner emo feelings' or whatever but nobody cares about that besides each individual.

They can be pretty bothersome; a sociopathic 3 is not infrequent in the business world, ignoring feelings and doing what it takes to get ahead and "win." Once in that state, you can't help them. They don't want to see anything, and will most likely use and run over you to keep the facade up. 4s self-destruct, 6s can, 8s might; 3s are competency harmonic and assertive (future-oriented, cut off from emotions, manipulating systems), so self-deprecation is very unlikely, as is any introspection that could 'slow them down.' They're "true emo feelings" will either be exposed unpleasantly or recycled into convoluted remnants of something long gone.

[Christy B]

They can be pretty bothersome; a sociopathic 3 is not infrequent in the business world, ignoring feelings and doing what it takes to get ahead and "win."

American Psycho!

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American Psycho!

lol... classic movie. He's a 3w4 irl, I believe. Maybe ESTp.

[07490]

so/sx 4s are the most shame-ridden, thus the most likely to act all jubilant and stuff. 3s will always have a willful drivenness about them; most of the ISFp female celebs are little 4w3s looking for a real self to be valued by others. sp-lasts have a more expansive quality, so they can easily mesh with the hollywood image, especially if they introject those ideals (once a 4 takes on a trait, it's indelible in a way... combine that with 3 wing...).



They can be pretty bothersome; a sociopathic 3 is not infrequent in the business world, ignoring feelings and doing what it takes to get ahead and "win." Once in that state, you can't help them. They don't want to see anything, and will most likely use and run over you to keep the facade up. 4s self-destruct, 6s can, 8s might; 3s are competency harmonic and assertive (future-oriented, cut off from emotions, manipulating systems), so self-deprecation is very unlikely, as is any introspection that could 'slow them down.' They're "true emo feelings" will either be exposed unpleasantly or recycled into convoluted remnants of something long gone.

This must be especially hard if the 3 is an ENFj, since they are a feeling type as opposed to ESTp, and when have a set belief of moral system in them, then its being repress in the business world becuase of the need of thinking that feeling gets the way of accomphlishing things, which will result in them creating more doubts, and contradictions like the description +/- description of ENFj in socionics.com

[strrrng]

This must be especially hard if the 3 is an ENFj, since they are a feeling type as opposed to ESTp, and when have a set belief of moral system in them, then its being repress in the business world becuase of the need of thinking that feeling gets the way of accomphlishing things, which will result in them creating more doubts, and contradictions like the description +/- description of ENFj in socionics.com

I don't know. ENFjs can be pretty depraved fucks. And ESTps can be decent people with strong morals. If anything, a sociopathic ENFj 3 would just use FeNi for all the wrong purposes. T/F isn't about thinking and feeling; it's about processing information in an explicit or implicit way.

And socionics.com is a pile of garbage.

[calenwen]

And socionics.com is a pile of garbage.

+1,000,000,000

[ArchonAlarion]

Eh.

Why should we frown upon her doing this, if like every f'ing teenage girl is taking the same sort of pictures?

and yeah probably 3w? so/sx Fe ISFp

actually I could see Fe ESFj, she sort of has that EJ feel, but then again I do not know much about her.

[strrrng]

At least her tits look nicer. Pre-pubescent semi-porn photos aren't the most palatable when you haven't even developed

[strrrng]

lol. I'd smack the shit out of my daughter for doing that, as well. Rotten kids, these days.

[ArchonAlarion]

I'd tap that

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

She *does* have nice tits.

[ProcrastinateTomorrow]

lol. I'd smack the shit out of my daughter for doing that, as well. Rotten kids, these days.

+1

If I had a daughter.

[ProcrastinateTomorrow]

my honest opinion is that she is good for nothing

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