Sleep

[Creepy-]

I was thinking about this bc I wanted to go and visit my mom the other day, but then I realized that she would be tired from work and probably going to bed soon, so I didn't.

Do you ever feel like sleep is a waste of time? Sometimes I do. But I said that to a friend of mine, and he looked at me like I was crazy. He’s ENTp, which made me wonder if Si-dual-seeking had to do w his reaction [he's often sleep-deprived bc of his always-going mind].

What I meant wasn’t that I don’t enjoy sleep or that I don’t feel refreshed by it [I certainly do!], but that I feel like it’s kind of a shame that so many hours – literally a third of our time – are devoted to it.

Thoughts?

[munenori2]

That's the happiest third of my life there. Though, idk, if I didn't have to sleep I'm not sure what I'd do. I mean, I get bored NOW.

[jessica129]

I've often said it's a waste of time. Even on the weekends, I feel guilty if I sleep past 8 am. I typically stick with a 12-6am sleep schedule and it's just right.

[Creepy-male]

You people with your ability to sleep normally.

Apparently true geniuses aren't allowed to have a functional biological clock.

So, I get jetlagged, and I've been awake for two days.

This thread is like a sick joke |:

[confused84]

You people with your ability to sleep normally.

Apparently true geniuses aren't allowed to have a functional biological clock.

So, I get jetlagged, and I've been awake for two days.

This thread is like a sick joke |:

Wow It's like looking into a mirror.

[mikemex]

I consider sleep time to be "well spent". It's about the only thing which prevents me from burning down; my mind seems to never stop.

One curious thing I've discovered is that if I have a problem and go to sleep, I usually have the answer to it by the time I wake up. And it's probably not a coincidence: I believe that there is not one, but two, persons living inside each brain. The most used (conscious) functions make the conscious person and the least used (unconscious) functions make a hidden dual.

[Creepy-]

That's the happiest third of my life there. Though, idk, if I didn't have to sleep I'm not sure what I'd do. I mean, I get bored NOW.

Yeah, sleep is definitely pleasant - I didn't mean that by any means. Maybe if sleep was optional... but then I guess people who chose to sleep would be deemed lazy.

As for what to do w all that time, I can think of all kinds of things... then again I'm not doing a lot of those things with the 2/3 of waking time I have, so it's probably unreasonable to say I would do them if I didn't need sleep

[Creepy-]

It's completely a fucking waste of time, and people who enjoy it repulse me. Ye sloth, awaken yonder from the odious quicksand you call a bed, the sonorous self-mutilation you call sleep! Nonsense. I prefer to go as long as possible without sleeping, ignore it at all costs, and when I do decide to "recharge," set my alarm to keep it below 6 hours, so that I'm not all languid and pathetic when I wake up. Sleep deprivation increases dopamine concentration in the brain as a survival mechanism, and getting less than the "right" amount of sleep injects you with a good type of anxiety, keeping you sharp, alert and active.

So, yeah. When someone complains about not getting enough sleep, I just laugh.

Wow - that's some vehement criticism of sleep-lovers.

Interesting approach. I think you may be on to something, actually. That said, I don't think I would ever want to live that way, though - tbh it sounds very unpleasant. How long have you been going like that, and how apparent to you is your natural-dopamine high?

I've often said it's a waste of time.

Well, I'm glad to find I'm not the only one who thinks this.

Even on the weekends, I feel guilty if I sleep past 8 am. I typically stick with a 12-6am sleep schedule and it's just right.

Me too. The last few weeks I have not been as regular w my sleep, but I stick to getting around 6-8 hours [much more and I feel "off," though I can go for a while on less than that]. Plus occasional naps

[strrrng]

Wow - that's some vehement criticism of sleep-lovers.

They deserve all of it. Infidels.

Interesting approach. I think you may be on to something, actually. That said, I don't think I would ever want to live that way, though - tbh it sounds very unpleasant. How long have you been going like that, and how apparent to you is your natural-dopamine high?

It's not unpleasant. The only unpleasant thing is feeling bound to sleep. I've been going like this ever since last year, basically. It's a very rhythmical thing. Once you get past the one day barrier, you develop an ability to get into a groove with things, and gradually increase the time you can stay up. It's all mental, too. I don't really apply any schedule to it; I just rely on the fact that I know I really don't want to sleep, and go from there. I may stay up for a day, sleep 5 hours, stay up 18 more hours, sleep 6, etc. If there was some cycle to it, I would probably aim for 2 day intervals with 6-8 hour rests in between. And when you add exercise into the mix, it gets interesting. It perpetuates the energy, but also has a sort of 'empty' effect. I actually remember falling asleep during a workout before. Although I haven't done that stuff lately, instead relying on whimsical calisthenic workouts and black n milds. I think most would find my lifestyle "unhealthy," but whatever.

[tereg]

I'm frustrated that I have to sleep, I mean in the sense that it's a necessity that can't be avoided. So, I largely feel like it is a significant amount of time that can be used otherwise. Although, I will say that I have a difficult time waking up really early in the morning and getting an early start to the day. It generally doesn't take me long to get going in the morning once I am out of bed, but sometimes it's hard to get started.

Like, my pattern these days goes something like, I will usually stay up on average until about 1:00 or so and then I wake up around anywhere between 6:45 and 7:00. Well, that's actually partially true. I first wake up at 6:00, then walk over to my cell phone to turn off the alarm, fall asleep on the couch until about 6:30 (sometimes with the tv on, sometimes not) when the 2nd alarm goes off and then snooze a few times which is typically close to 7:00.

I honestly don't feel much different during the day if I get 3 hours of sleep and if I get 7 or more hours. The only time I feel like I'm not with it or my body isn't doing what my mind wants it to do is if I get less than 3 hours of sleep.

Anyway, yeah, the amount of time sleeping largely does feel like a wasted block of time as far as utility goes.

[strrrng]

It's completely a fucking waste of time, and people who enjoy it repulse me. Ye sloth, awaken yonder from the odious quicksand you call a bed, the sonorous self-mutilation you call sleep! Nonsense. I prefer to go as long as possible without sleeping, ignore it at all costs, and when I do decide to "recharge," set my alarm to keep it below 6 hours, so that I'm not all languid and pathetic when I wake up. Sleep deprivation increases dopamine concentration in the brain as a survival mechanism, and getting less than the "right" amount of sleep injects you with a good type of anxiety, keeping you sharp, alert and active.

So, yeah. When someone complains about not getting enough sleep, I just laugh.

[xyz]

It's completely a fucking waste of time, and people who enjoy it repulse me. Ye sloth, awaken yonder from the odious quicksand you call a bed, the sonorous self-mutilation you call sleep! Nonsense. I prefer to go as long as possible without sleeping, ignore it at all costs, and when I do decide to "recharge," set my alarm to keep it below 6 hours, so that I'm not all languid and pathetic when I wake up. Sleep deprivation increases dopamine concentration in the brain as a survival mechanism, and getting less than the "right" amount of sleep injects you with a good type of anxiety, keeping you sharp, alert and active.

So, yeah. When someone complains about not getting enough sleep, I just laugh.

What the hell? You're not a robot. Or a machine. You need sleep, plain and simple. Too little and your senses start being dulled, too much and your body doesn't wanna jumpstart back to "doing shit" mode.

Life isn't about how much any sort of "stuff" you can cram into life, like cars, skills, or drugs.

I love my sleep. From the lowliest beggar to the mightiest king, every man enjoys a good sleep.

[implied]

i absolutely adore sleep.

[Park]

i absolutely adore sleep.

+100

[Not A Communist Shill]

I only think sleep is a wase of time when I remember I'm mortal. Otherwise, sleep is one of the things that make life worth living. Although...I feel extremely miserable when my bed is so cold.

[strrrng]

What the hell? You're not a robot. Or a machine. You need sleep, plain and simple. Too little and your senses start being dulled, too much and your body doesn't wanna jumpstart back to "doing shit" mode.

Sleeping on a regular schedule for an extended duration feels more robotic to me than doing it minimally and haphazardly. And I have never felt my senses dulled from sleep deprivation; quite the opposite, actually. And yeah, after a while you burn out, hence why I mentioned the short naps at intervals. Saying "you need sleep, plain and simple" is just a retarded way of imposing your opinion on someone else. So, if it works for you, fine. But I don't see the point in actually debating it.

Life isn't about how much any sort of "stuff" you can cram into life, like cars, skills, or drugs.

To you. Others need more frequent stimulation.

I love my sleep. From the lowliest beggar to the mightiest king, every man enjoys a good sleep.

Why do you have to make it some objective fact? Don't you deltas preach that whole individualism shit? If you love your sleep, fine. But I don't see why that suddenly means everyone else "should."

[jewels]

I love sleep. I'd say I'm naturally made to sleep about 10 hours a day. I can do OK on 7 or 8, but I'm a bit on edge. They say that before we had electricity (lights keep us up longer) people would sleep about 10 a night. I think everyone would be less grumpy if that were the case.

Though I am jealous some of you need only 6 hours...that must be nice. And it gives you an hour or two extra a day...you could totally take up a new hobby in that time.

[Cheesy]

I love sleep. I'd say I'm naturally made to sleep about 10 hours a day. I can do OK on 7 or 8, but I'm a bit on edge. They say that before we had electricity (lights keep us up longer) people would sleep about 10 a night. I think everyone would be less grumpy if that were the case.

Though I am jealous some of you need only 6 hours...that must be nice. And it gives you an hour or two extra a day...you could totally take up a new hobby in that time.

I'm also like that. I function on a good level when I sleep for more than 8 hours. If it's 7 hours I'm o.k. but if it's less I'm like a zombie all day. I wish I could do with less sleep but my body demands it from me and I do try to
push my limits sometimes but it always catches up to me in the end. So while I want to be awake and take advantage of my free time, I can't because I'm too tired to do something. I wish I could function on 6 hours of sleep...

[duality is cringe]

Why do you have to make it some objective fact?

Perhaps he believes human need/enjoyment for sleep is objective fact?

Don't you deltas preach that whole individualism shit?

I like to think so.

If you love your sleep, fine. But I don't see why that suddenly means everyone else "should."

lol, it's not like he wants to 'force' it on you or anything. Just an expression of his puzzlement over how much others, like yourself, devalue it.

Is it annoying when I butt in like this? I honestly can't tell.

[xyz]

Is it annoying when I butt in like this? I honestly can't tell.

Heh, no, it's quite helpful especially when you're right on the money.

I wasn't forcing you or anyone else anything. I never gave you an interger of time that you need to sleep, or even a value. Lots of people do need different amounts of sleep. What I was objecting to was your complete dismissal of sleep and acting like we don't need it to survive. Next you'll tell me taking a shit is a waste of time.

[strrrng]

Perhaps he believes human need/enjoyment for sleep is objective fact?

Perhaps. Erroneously so, if that is the case.

I like to think so.

Ok.

lol, it's not like he wants to 'force' it on you or anything. Just an expression of his puzzlement over how much others, like yourself, devalue it.

If he's puzzled, he should express puzzlement; not state what 'should' be.

Is it annoying when I butt in like this? I honestly can't tell.

Must be the Fe polr! And no, it isn't. Because I've observed you, and don't think that you come bearing any pretenses.

[redbaron]

sleep is glorious, people. Not too much, mind you. but when you know how much you need, and get it on a regular basis, it becomes almost a medicine for your body AND soul. I can literally feel my subconscious working on things while I'm under and I can wake up feeling like I'm ready to tackle the problem. I simply don't know how people can function without it. Yes, I can understand how it seems like a waste of time. But it's very necessary. Besides, the sheer sensuality of sleep... warmth, smooth sheets, the skin next to you (or not), how can you resist it?

[Warlord]

Do you ever feel like sleep is a waste of time?

Most of the time. But ask me when I'm really tired; then I'm going to say that's the only thing I ever want to do