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    Default Insomnia.

    Who has it? I've been wondering if it is related to your type. I have always thought Introverts would have more trouble with falling asleep at night.

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    I always thought that sometimes insomnia could be caused by not reflecting on something (repression).
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    I would think that ANY person who is working hard on a project, anxious about something, or excited about something would have a difficult time falling asleep.

    I've known extroverts who pace, clean house, go for a run, etc because their mind is working on solving a problem and they can't sleep cuz of it.
    I've also known introverts who do similar.
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    Well as I said in another thread I do have trouble falling asleep. But I don't have insomnia I think because after I manage to fall asleep I can sleep very very long.

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    Everyone has a period of insomnia one time or another at their lifetime. I had it when I was younger, but now it is gone. I can sleep quite well unless I have something to think about. I think like crazy when I'm worrying about something I have to do or I think about something that I could do. I tend to analyze things and study things a lot during nighttime. It is quite a bizzarre proccess when I tend to light sleep and do this. The weirdest part is when my brain seems to make up random stories that make no sense when I light sleep.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XoX
    Well as I said in another thread I do have trouble falling asleep. But I don't have insomnia I think because after I manage to fall asleep I can sleep very very long.
    That's me too. I just need more time to fall asleep (let's say an hour)

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    Never had trouble falling asleep. Usually, in 10 minutes it's done.
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    I never shut my brain. I must think of something in order to fall asleep.
    It is worse when I have a problem or an unsettled situation because my mind is consantly reviewing the recieved information which causes me headaches... but even then, I have to shift thinking to something else in order to fall asleep. I just don't understand how can someone shut their brain off. Ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winterpark
    ... I just don't understand how can someone shut their brain off. Ever.
    I feel the same way. I've talked about this with my ISFP bf before. He says he can go at times with almost nothing running through his head. The periods don't last long, but they come often. For myself, I can't shut the darned thing up! Even after walking miles upon miles, my thoughts are still going, though at a somewhat dampened speed.
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    I sleep two to three hours a day. Drug induced.


    Is it any wonder I'm insane?

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    On weekends, I get over 12 hours of sleep per day.

    On regular days, I get from 4-5, at most. That's because I don't get tired until after midnight usually. I have a tendency to become energetic once I get into bed.
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    Yeah, it sounds like it


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    I've seen insomniacic and nigh-narcoleptic introverts, so no, I wouldn't be so sure this can be considered the direct result of type, though it may play a part in the matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anndelise
    Quote Originally Posted by Winterpark
    ... I just don't understand how can someone shut their brain off. Ever.
    I feel the same way. I've talked about this with my ISFP bf before. He says he can go at times with almost nothing running through his head. The periods don't last long, but they come often. For myself, I can't shut the darned thing up! Even after walking miles upon miles, my thoughts are still going, though at a somewhat dampened speed.
    The problem is that you have to do the thinking before you go to bed. Go to your bed an hour earlier then your supposed and don't try to sleep. Instead think all those thoughts and write them down. If something is worrying you, then get that thing done before the hour is over. See if that works.

    Quote Originally Posted by Herzblut
    On weekends, I get over 12 hours of sleep per day.
    On regular days, I get from 4-5, at most. That's because I don't get tired until after midnight usually. I have a tendency to become energetic once I get into bed.
    By sleeping in the weekends tends to mess you up for the weekdays. Also, it is not proven that sleeping in another day will help make up for the sleep lost. I recommend you just wake up early on Sunday to set you up well for the weekdays. I also tend to get hyper before I go into bed, but that's only I slept in and woke up late that morning or afternoon.
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    I've been an insomniac my entire life. I blame ADD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    I've been an insomniac my entire life. I blame ADD.
    The reason behind it I think is because people with A.D.D. have problems sleeping according to a schedule. Your brain is made to be set up with one and you will sleep at the right times with ease if you set one up. Unfortunately for some people it is impossible to set one up, though there are ways to solve it. I think that if you wake up early in the morning and exercise it should make you tired enough to sleep regardless. You need to be awake for 15 hours before your body starts winding to sleep.
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    My schedule is *reasonably* consistant, and as a child I had an 8:00pm bedtime everynight like clockwork. I have decided that I just don't need as much sleep as most people.I average about 4 hours a night I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy
    My schedule is *reasonably* consistant, and as a child I had an 8:00pm bedtime everynight like clockwork. I have decided that I just don't need as much sleep as most people.I average about 4 hours a night I think.
    Oh so it's not insomnia. There are people that can go by with 5 or 6 hours of sleep and there are others that need up to 10 hours of sleep. There's no universal sleep time, every individual is different. If you could sleep 4 hours without feeling an effect and feeling great the same day or the days after then it is fine to do so. Especially if you feel awful after sleeping more than 8 hours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sycophant
    I sleep two to three hours a day. Drug induced.


    Is it any wonder I'm insane?
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    Ive had insomnia since I was 12ish. I can easily be physically exhausted with my mind on full blast. I hate it.

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    i use to have trouble falling asleep, but i dunno. I'm really obsessed with my internal state, i like to know exactly how much sleep i get, the health value of the food i'm going to eat, etc. I'm always attempting to find links between my sleep and the way my mind operates. That said, I have no trouble falling asleep, I mull over things sort of, but my conscience is really quiet if i'm not thinking about important things, know what i mean?
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    As for type, I think introverts may have more trouble falling asleep, as they seem to lead more stressful inner-lives(since they seem to have them), and what better place to let out stress from your inner-life than when you are all alone in your bed at night? But any person who is under stress, or doesn't take care of themselves is going to have trouble sleeping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heath
    . I'm really obsessed with my internal state, i like to know exactly how much sleep i get, the health value of the food i'm going to eat, etc.
    I have the same "issue"? I do not honestly know if I can consider this an issue, since I know an enormous quantity of people who lament of not being fit but then keep eating like shit, sleeping like shit, and so on.
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    I don't get enough sleep, and I don't eat enough either. It distresses me that I lead this lifestyle but there isn't really anything I can do. If I exercise during the day you can be sure I won't be sleeping that night. More likely is that I'll just skip sleeping altogether, go read in my room for a few hours while I wait for my mum to get up, then tell her I went to bed at 3am or something

    And then I wait for the inevitable headache after 30 hours of being awake and the subsequent adrenaline rush... fun!!!

    But it is definately insomnia as my health suffers as a result of all this.

    My eating patterns are the same (if not worse)! 3 hours ago I had my first meal in 3 days...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG
    I have the same "issue"? I do not honestly know if I can consider this an issue, since I know an enormous quantity of people who lament of not being fit but then keep eating like shit, sleeping like shit, and so on.
    i'm placing my bet that american people are much more subject to such lamenting, and also the VERY last people to do anything about it. But i'm glad you take care of yourself, cause goddamn, it makes you feel better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ishysquishy
    I don't get enough sleep, and I don't eat enough either. It distresses me that I lead this lifestyle but there isn't really anything I can do. If I exercise during the day you can be sure I won't be sleeping that night. More likely is that I'll just skip sleeping altogether, go read in my room for a few hours while I wait for my mum to get up, then tell her I went to bed at 3am or something

    And then I wait for the inevitable headache after 30 hours of being awake and the subsequent adrenaline rush... fun!!!

    But it is definately insomnia as my health suffers as a result of all this.

    My eating patterns are the same (if not worse)! 3 hours ago I had my first meal in 3 days...
    *bonk* go eat silly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jadae
    *bonk* go eat silly.
    I haven't eaten today either... I'm waiting for someone to make dinner and then I can eat

    (I know, I am very silly sometimes)

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    silly is not the word i would use to describe how insanely retarded your statements seem.

    heh..

    ahahah..

    sorry. just read that sentence, it's weird. lololz lollers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ishysquishy
    Quote Originally Posted by Jadae
    *bonk* go eat silly.
    I haven't eaten today either... I'm waiting for someone to make dinner and then I can eat

    (I know, I am very silly sometimes)
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    wow. can't believe how many people are insomniacs on this forum.

    i'm rarely unable to sleep. i need the 8 hours, and have no trouble falling asleep. in fact, one of my responses to things i don't want to think about is to shut it off, and i sleep. it's like an automatic trip switch. and when i'm depressed, i sleep more. i'd skip meals but not sleep as i get pretty screwed up next day if i had no sleep.

    so, totally in the opposite direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jadae
    Dont make me order you online pizza hut and listen to you whine about how crappy their pizza is! :wink:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Young_and_Confused
    Quote Originally Posted by anndelise
    Quote Originally Posted by Winterpark
    ... I just don't understand how can someone shut their brain off. Ever.
    I feel the same way. I've talked about this with my ISFP bf before. He says he can go at times with almost nothing running through his head. The periods don't last long, but they come often. For myself, I can't shut the darned thing up! Even after walking miles upon miles, my thoughts are still going, though at a somewhat dampened speed.
    The problem is that you have to do the thinking before you go to bed. Go to your bed an hour earlier then your supposed and don't try to sleep. Instead think all those thoughts and write them down. If something is worrying you, then get that thing done before the hour is over. See if that works.
    I don't even know where to begin with this one:

    1. The suggestions assume a need to do ALL my thinking before I go to bed.
    2. The suggestions assume that the problems I am working on are simple enough to be solved within an hour.
    3. The suggestions assume that all or most of my thinking can be written down. The facts is, there are so many thoughts flying through my head at any one time that it requires even more effort/mental energy to attempt to pin one down long enough to write it.
    4. The suggestions assume that I am deliberately doing the thinking. The fact is, most of the information I obtain and most of the thinking I do is processed just under my awareness. Which means that I can hear and feel the thoughts moving around as if behind a curtain. (The intense walking makes the curtain heavier so that I feel/hear less of it.) Laying in bed, as I drift off, I never quite make it to sleep. I feel suspended throughout most of the night. Tossing and turning because of the sheer amount of "noise" going on in my head. Waking up once in a while with an "ah-ha" moment which I sometimes write down if it pertains to an important project I am working on (and yes, I've already limited my project average to about 3-5 major projects at a time.)

    Basically, the suggestions above might be great for simple and/or convergent thinking. But it leaves little room for
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    Quote Originally Posted by anndelise
    Quote Originally Posted by Young_and_Confused
    Quote Originally Posted by anndelise
    Quote Originally Posted by Winterpark
    ... I just don't understand how can someone shut their brain off. Ever.
    I feel the same way. I've talked about this with my ISFP bf before. He says he can go at times with almost nothing running through his head. The periods don't last long, but they come often. For myself, I can't shut the darned thing up! Even after walking miles upon miles, my thoughts are still going, though at a somewhat dampened speed.
    The problem is that you have to do the thinking before you go to bed. Go to your bed an hour earlier then your supposed and don't try to sleep. Instead think all those thoughts and write them down. If something is worrying you, then get that thing done before the hour is over. See if that works.
    I don't even know where to begin with this one:

    1. The suggestions assume a need to do ALL my thinking before I go to bed.
    2. The suggestions assume that the problems I am working on are simple enough to be solved within an hour.
    3. The suggestions assume that all or most of my thinking can be written down. The facts is, there are so many thoughts flying through my head at any one time that it requires even more effort/mental energy to attempt to pin one down long enough to write it.
    4. The suggestions assume that I am deliberately doing the thinking. The fact is, most of the information I obtain and most of the thinking I do is processed just under my awareness. Which means that I can hear and feel the thoughts moving around as if behind a curtain. (The intense walking makes the curtain heavier so that I feel/hear less of it.) Laying in bed, as I drift off, I never quite make it to sleep. I feel suspended throughout most of the night. Tossing and turning because of the sheer amount of "noise" going on in my head. Waking up once in a while with an "ah-ha" moment which I sometimes write down if it pertains to an important project I am working on (and yes, I've already limited my project average to about 3-5 major projects at a time.)

    Basically, the suggestions above might be great for simple and/or convergent thinking. But it leaves little room for
    a) what i do naturally, and
    b) the complexity of what I am working on.
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    I have had trouble falling asleep since I was a kid, but I don't have insomnia.

    Drinking coffee messes things up, too. One of the biggest problems is becoming obsessed with some idea. I can't stop reading something that I am interested in.

    Anyways, its WAY past my bed time.
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    I wouldn't say i have insomnia, but it usually takes me a lot longer than most to fall asleep and even when im tired it can take me a long time to fall asleep, although once I am asleep, I stay asleep.

    I also find it very difficult to go to bed early and fall asleep if I have to be up early in the morning, I just end up lying there awake, however if I need to stay up longer than normal I find it quite easy.
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