Page 1 of 4 1234 LastLast
Results 1 to 40 of 138

Thread: Experiences with Superego Relations

  1. #1
    redbaron's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    9,315
    Mentioned
    17 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Experiences with Superego Relations

    Anyone have experience with this relation? Especially introvert superego relations? Wherein lie the misunderstandings? Intentions? Actions? What?
    IEI-Fe 4w3

  2. #2
    Jarno's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Netherlands
    TIM
    ILI-Te
    Posts
    5,428
    Mentioned
    34 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    I was scary for the conflicts that would arise, but I haven't experienced them yet.

    I've had a brief relationships with ISFP women. It starts easely, because of the same temperament, but probably even more because of the seemingly Ideal partner.

    Although I recently saw in a threat Strnggg (INFP) and Cyclops (ISTP) have a big fight, they are superego too... so I guess the fights can be pretty mean.

    But so far for me personally, superego relations are fine. Yet the socionics descriptions still scares me enough not to look for another superego girlfriend.

    BTW now I remember a particular trait of this relationship which stood out. One partner is too clingy. In my case the ISFP women was way to clingy. Also the reason I broke the relationship. I've had this similar experience with an male ISFP aquantance of mine. They both kept page messaging me for a year... after I broke contact.

  3. #3
    ILE - ENTp 1981slater's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    Spain
    TIM
    ILE (ENTp)
    Posts
    4,870
    Mentioned
    16 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default x

    Super ego and conflictor relationship are the worst by FAR. Avoid it, at any cost. Another point of view is to believe that gamma SFs are bad for every non gamma person. Who knows? Fuck gamma SFs! (I mean down with them-hate-fury, not romantic relationship with them)
    ILE "Searcher"
    Socionics: ENTp
    DCNH: Dominant --> perhaps Normalizing
    Enneagram: 7w6 "Enthusiast"
    MBTI: ENTJ "Field Marshall" or ENTP "Inventor"
    Astrological sign: Aquarius

    To learn, read. To know, write. To master, teach.

  4. #4
    jessica129's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Posts
    10,121
    Mentioned
    77 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    It's really rough...really, really rough. Really.



    I think the number one thing that sticks out for me is the major misunderstandings that hurt each other to the core.

  5. #5
    Grand Inquisitor Bardia's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    TIM
    ESI
    Posts
    1,251
    Mentioned
    7 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    I have a pretty good frienship with an INTj. We don't do a lot of stuff together and she is at least 10 years olders so that might help. I know that we both do make an effort to make sure misunderstandings are resolved and we do have misunderstandings.

    I had another friend who I thought might be INTj. We fought a lot and often intensely.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    Super ego and conflictor relationship are the worst by FAR. Avoid it, at any cost. Another point of view is to believe that gamma SFs are bad for every non gamma person. Who knows? Fuck gamma SFs! (I mean down with them-hate-fury, not romantic relationship with them)
    Your just jealous.
    “No psychologist should pretend to understand what he does not understand... Only fools and charlatans know everything and understand nothing.” -Anton Chekhov

    http://kevan.org/johari?name=Bardia0
    http://kevan.org/nohari?name=Bardia0

  6. #6
    redbaron's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    9,315
    Mentioned
    17 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by jessica129 View Post
    It's really rough...really, really rough. Really.



    I think the number one thing that sticks out for me is the major misunderstandings that hurt each other to the core.
    Oh right. I think I remember you posting about a relationship you had with an IEI.

    It makes a certain amount of sense (to me anyway) that the ethical one would be the more clingy. Was that true in your case, Jessica?
    IEI-Fe 4w3

  7. #7
    redbaron's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    9,315
    Mentioned
    17 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    And what do you think these misunderstandings ride on? Assumptions that the other one knows what's going on when they don't? Or assuming you value the same things when you don't. Or... what?

    I'm not sure I've ever known an SLI irl except for my hair person (who's great but obviously we're not that close and there's a chance she could be LSI).
    IEI-Fe 4w3

  8. #8
    ILE - ENTp 1981slater's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    Spain
    TIM
    ILE (ENTp)
    Posts
    4,870
    Mentioned
    16 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default x

    Misunderstandings are created by , which is usually unwilling to accept changes, the opposite of , prone to accept and promote changes
    ILE "Searcher"
    Socionics: ENTp
    DCNH: Dominant --> perhaps Normalizing
    Enneagram: 7w6 "Enthusiast"
    MBTI: ENTJ "Field Marshall" or ENTP "Inventor"
    Astrological sign: Aquarius

    To learn, read. To know, write. To master, teach.

  9. #9
    redbaron's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    9,315
    Mentioned
    17 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    Misunderstandings are created by , which is usually unwilling to accept changes, the opposite of , prone to accept and promote changes
    so you're talking about for you in a superego relation, right?

    So for me it would be the clash of and ?
    IEI-Fe 4w3

  10. #10
    Grand Inquisitor Bardia's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    TIM
    ESI
    Posts
    1,251
    Mentioned
    7 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Hmmm its hard to pinpoint but I think part of it is trying to work together we just do things differently and the other will say but this way makes more sense. So there is just sort of an akward moment and we just kind of pick one way and do it. I think the Fe valuing on her part can be a little draining because I try to give it to her and it takes energy for me to do that. It probably also drains her when I ask her all sorts of Te related things. I think overall we get along well though.
    “No psychologist should pretend to understand what he does not understand... Only fools and charlatans know everything and understand nothing.” -Anton Chekhov

    http://kevan.org/johari?name=Bardia0
    http://kevan.org/nohari?name=Bardia0

  11. #11
    redbaron's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    9,315
    Mentioned
    17 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Hmmm, okay, thanks everyone for your replies.
    IEI-Fe 4w3

  12. #12
    jessica129's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Posts
    10,121
    Mentioned
    77 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by redbaron View Post
    And what do you think these misunderstandings ride on? Assumptions that the other one knows what's going on when they don't? Or assuming you value the same things when you don't. Or... what?

    I'm not sure I've ever known an SLI irl except for my hair person (who's great but obviously we're not that close and there's a chance she could be LSI).
    Yeah, he was extremely clingy. I mean, I couldn't even go out with friends without him claiming i was "abandoning" him...but that's an entirely different story right there. I think the misunderstandings were just do to our complete opposite way of processing information. He really took my high level of introversion as me being uninterested and bitchy when that wasn't the case at all. I'd imagine this relation would be much harder between two introverts. I could tell the type of woman he needed and it wasn't me. We had more in common than most people but our communication skills were just non existant. I'd say something and he'd complain i was too blunt or not caring enough. Matter of fact, all his complaining seemed to revolve around how "passive" he thought i was. It was basically walking on egg shells the entire time. When it was good, it was amazing but when it was bad...my god, it was bad.

  13. #13
    redbaron's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    9,315
    Mentioned
    17 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by jessica129 View Post
    Yeah, he was extremely clingy. I mean, I couldn't even go out with friends without him claiming i was "abandoning" him...but that's an entirely different story right there. I think the misunderstandings were just do to our complete opposite way of processing information. He really took my high level of introversion as me being uninterested and bitchy when that wasn't the case at all. I'd imagine this relation would be much harder between two introverts. I could tell the type of woman he needed and it wasn't me. We had more in common than most people but our communication skills were just non existant. I'd say something and he'd complain i was too blunt or not caring enough. Matter of fact, all his complaining seemed to revolve around how "passive" he thought i was. It was basically walking on egg shells the entire time. When it was good, it was amazing but when it was bad...my god, it was bad.
    yeah, I can see not wanting to be with someone who's as passive as I am (or, horrors, even more passive). this friend I have who is either SLI or SEI is very passive. It's funny cause I think he expects me to start every single conversation. So we both stand there, neither of us talking, both of us wanting to talk and then walking away from it thinking that the other one doesn't really even want to be friends anymore or whatever. It's truly ridiculous. Our friendship only works when I feel like I have the freedom to approach him and play the extravert. Unfortunately, that freedom is gone at the moment. But anyway, I can sort of see how a superego thing would work. I mean, and how it would be difficult.
    IEI-Fe 4w3

  14. #14
    Twist-Tie Spider iAnnAu's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Knoxhell TN
    Posts
    987
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    With my ex-husband and I ... he would follow his habits (notably, diving so deep into video and board games that he would hardly even feed himself) and I would go looking for adventure (usually out-of-doors and frequently at the suggestion of an eager cohort), and then sometime later we'd notice we'd had hardly anything to do with one another for weeks, and both feel hurt. I kinda imagine he was expecting me to be more ESTp-ish and force him to come out and do things, and I was expecting him to be more ENFp-ish and want to come along at a mere suggestion of the unexpected. Obviously there's more to it, but when things unraveled, it was obvious that we each felt abandoned by the other ... like our expectations went unforgivably unmet.
    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Bukowski
    We're all going to die, all of us, what a circus! That alone should make us love each other but it doesn't. We are terrorized and flattened by trivialities, we are eaten up by nothing.
    SLI

  15. #15
    redbaron's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    9,315
    Mentioned
    17 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by iAnnAu View Post
    With my ex-husband and I ... he would follow his habits (notably, diving so deep into video and board games that he would hardly even feed himself) and I would go looking for adventure (usually out-of-doors and frequently at the suggestion of an eager cohort), and then sometime later we'd notice we'd had hardly anything to do with one another for weeks, and both feel hurt. I kinda imagine he was expecting me to be more ESTp-ish and force him to come out and do things, and I was expecting him to be more ENFp-ish and want to come along at a mere suggestion of the unexpected. Obviously there's more to it, but when things unraveled, it was obvious that we each felt abandoned by the other ... like our expectations went unforgivably unmet.
    oh wow. This is the best concrete description I've read yet! thanks.
    IEI-Fe 4w3

  16. #16
    Your DNA is mine. Mediator Kam's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Wisconsin
    TIM
    SEI
    Posts
    4,477
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Well, my mother and father are ESI and LII respectively. As Ann pointed out, my mother and father don't really spend quality time together, although they love each other. They get into fierce arguments about once a week about something or other, with my mother incessantly yelling and my father unable to cope with it. He feels mentally sick after these arguments, in which he loses his appetite and lays in his room for hours, fuming. They still love each other, but it is especially hard for my father because his ideal woman(imo) is someone who would take care of him and not give him a hard time with everything, which my mother does a lot of the time. He has told me on numerous occasions that when I eventually get married to make sure I don't have the type of problems he does.
    D-SEI 9w1

    This is me and my dual being scientific together

  17. #17
    redbaron's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    9,315
    Mentioned
    17 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Kamangir View Post
    Well, my mother and father are ESI and LII respectively. As Ann pointed out, my mother and father don't really spend quality time together, although they love each other. They get into fierce arguments about once a week about something or other, with my mother incessantly yelling and my father unable to cope with it. He feels mentally sick after these arguments, in which he loses his appetite and lays in his room for hours, fuming. They still love each other, but it is especially hard for my father because his ideal woman(imo) is someone who would take care of him and not give him a hard time with everything, which my mother does a lot of the time. He has told me on numerous occasions that when I eventually get married to make sure I don't have the type of problems he does.
    awwww. that makes me really sad.
    IEI-Fe 4w3

  18. #18
    Your DNA is mine. Mediator Kam's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Wisconsin
    TIM
    SEI
    Posts
    4,477
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by redbaron View Post
    awwww. that makes me really sad.
    Yeah, I definitely sense the friction sometimes. They only see eye to eye on political and issues of morality, but on day-to-issues they could not be farther apart.

    *ESI: Private=agressive public=meek
    *LII: Private=meek public=agressive-ish

    EDIT: They just came in arguing about the number of hours they work and how my dad doesn't work around the house. :|
    D-SEI 9w1

    This is me and my dual being scientific together

  19. #19
    ~~rubicon~~ Rubicon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Chatbox
    TIM
    SEI, 9
    Posts
    5,248
    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Kamangir View Post
    *ESI: Private=agressive public=meek
    *LII: Private=meek public=agressive-ish
    Is that just what you've noted? How are LIIs aggressive(ish) in public?
    "Language is the Rubicon that divides man from beast."

  20. #20
    Your DNA is mine. Mediator Kam's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Wisconsin
    TIM
    SEI
    Posts
    4,477
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Jem View Post
    Is that just what you've noted? How are LIIs aggressive(ish) in public?
    When it comes to their deftness in argumentation.
    D-SEI 9w1

    This is me and my dual being scientific together

  21. #21

    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    NYC
    Posts
    1,833
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    super-ego for me can be bad w/ girls especially. I don't like to be told what to do or have my stuff moved. Very bad. It could just depend on the one girl I knew.

    But w/ guys they were more chill and really didn't bother me. It was more that it was almost boring because I knew they were all about Se. However, I also didn't ever think they were assholes (and I guess it can be hard for ESTps when everyone thinks they are an asshole because of the Se). I could definitely see the niceness in them and I liked that.

    Occasionally when they were quiet they'd remind me of ISTps though I'd be like "hmm! maybe he's an ISTP!" and get all interested. but then he'd walk into a room and have that ESTp aura and I'd realize that I'd rather the aura be all about me and not have to compete for attention.
    Hi! I'm an ENFP. :-)

  22. #22
    redbaron's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    9,315
    Mentioned
    17 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by jewels View Post
    super-ego for me can be bad w/ girls especially. I don't like to be told what to do or have my stuff moved. Very bad. It could just depend on the one girl I knew.

    But w/ guys they were more chill and really didn't bother me. It was more that it was almost boring because I knew they were all about Se. However, I also didn't ever think they were assholes (and I guess it can be hard for ESTps when everyone thinks they are an asshole because of the Se). I could definitely see the niceness in them and I liked that.

    Occasionally when they were quiet they'd remind me of ISTps though I'd be like "hmm! maybe he's an ISTP!" and get all interested. but then he'd walk into a room and have that ESTp aura and I'd realize that I'd rather the aura be all about me and not have to compete for attention.
    IEI-Fe 4w3

  23. #23
    ESTj Tom's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Posts
    562
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    I usually get along very well with EIEs, to tell the surprising truth.

    Every one of them I know is kind (to a reasonable extent); I usually find the conversations to be civil and beneficial to both parties involved (by this I mean that we seem to exchange a rather large amount of useful information).

    Sometimes I can't understand why they would do certain things, and I always wish that they would be more frank; I sometimes get frustrated with their seemingly innate need to go with the crowd on their personal beliefs, but I go to a small school where ArchonAlarion and I usually hold enough sway (or have convinced enough people of our beliefs), so this isn't usually a problem in these situations.

    Actually, one of my best friends is an EIE; he's the guy all the way to the right in my avatar, and I genuinely enjoy being around him; he's one of the nicest, most personable people I have ever met.
    Wond'ring aloud, How we feel today. Last night sipped the sunset, My hand in her hair. We are our own saviours, As we start both our hearts, Beating life Into each other. ~Ian Anderson

  24. #24
    sunnycalih's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Orange County, CA
    Posts
    12
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Sorry for the Massiveness.

    Quote Originally Posted by jewels View Post
    super-ego for me can be bad w/ girls especially. I don't like to be told what to do or have my stuff moved. Very bad. It could just depend on the one girl I knew.

    But w/ guys they were more chill and really didn't bother me. It was more that it was almost boring because I knew they were all about Se. However, I also didn't ever think they were assholes (and I guess it can be hard for ESTps when everyone thinks they are an asshole because of the Se). I could definitely see the niceness in them and I liked that.
    So this was super interesting for me to read. I've been sort of hypothesizing about whether or not certain super-ego combos can be more damaging than others. Again, I'm IEE and my fiance is SLE. ENFP/ESTP. Sometimes, I drive myself nuts wishing I was just a little more introverted, or pretending he is, cuz then, we'd be Duals! Just a letter off. lol.

    But anywho, we're not, and I've come to have this little hope, that contrary to everything I read here, that we're ok. It snuck into my head after realizing how much I love him. How much he loves me. How much we want this to work. How incredible it is when we're in sync. And what a great equality I feel with him. My best friend is an SLI. I've known her since I was 2 and have never valued her more since I understood all this Dual business. But in reality, while we are incredibly comfortable together, who said comfortablity makes the ideal couple? I know plenty of people who are comfortable together who should never date, and also many who didn’t work out at all. The path of least resistance is not necessarily the best road

    For me, what makes our relationship so interesting, is the differences we have. What I've read so often about super-ego pairs is so negative. And the truth is, the things they speak about (the fear, the discomfort), are there. But so is this incredible respect and admiration for the person. They embody your weaknesses. Embody the traits you wish you had. In many ways we’re like a left and right shoe. We just make a pair, especially when we’re goin somewhere, or doing something. We work extremely well together when we have a common goal in mind. And both of us appreciate immensely eachother’s lack of harsh reactions. We don't break eachother down for not having them, or for not being a certain way. Actually, he doesn’t stop telling people how smart I am, or how caring, loving, etc I am, especially when in a group. He also says all those things to me. And I do the same for him. To him directly, and about him to others. He’s a wonderful man, who works his butt off every day. He can be completely selfless, and is one of the most honest people I know. It’s a very respecting, level playing field, where you really feel like you’re with your equal. I suppose that has something to do with our relationship being monovert (from socioncics.us, in regards to monovert relationships: “Sense of level playing field and fair competition. Relationship revolves either around expansion and external business [two extraverts] or closes in on the relationship itself [two introverts].”). I would hope more people who've been in super-ego pairs post. I'd like to develop this idea more. Maybe two SuperEgo E's together don't hurt internally as much as two SuperEgo I's, as the relationship can revolve around external business, rather than closing in on itself. Also/Or, maybe romantic relationships lend themselves more to the superego pair, as it is more expected to have more open conversation, where as a friendship may not merit such deep convo. It could be odd to expend energy and request deeper connection from ‘just a friend’. N

    These are just some of my theories. I should also note that when we first met, we did not speak the same language. Literally. He speaks only Spanish. I’ve now learned it (those yrs in HS come right back when u start using it, u’d be surprised ) and we now can speak fluently together. Interestingly (tho probably not shockingly) enough, that was when I really started to sense the super-ego ness. That’s when I got on the web, read up about it, and the light bulb went on. I’m not gonna lie, it’s not all roses. Hello, it’s a SuperEgo pair. But it’s also not nearly as bad or negative as it’s cracked up to be. ‘Least not for our combo.

    To me, he is an incredible person. He has so much potential and so much to offer to the world, and to me. Through socionics, i've really been able to understand which things really should concern me, and which things are just our super-egos running into eachother. I am beginning to be able to weed through, and recognize when our functions are just hitting wrong, and know that nothing horrible is happening, no need to panic. Lol. And that in itself is calming. I remember before I read about socionics, in my David Keirsey, Please Understand Me days, I read that “Any two well-developed types can have a successful relationship”. And I really feel that is true. I would hope more comes of this thread. If I don’t destroy it with my massive post, that no one will get through. I’m sorry, I just have so many ideas! Ick. And this sucker is edited! Sorry! Lol :/


    [however, on one more quick, and I emphasize quick, note, one of my best friends is going on yr 7 in a conflict pair. There should be another thread ‘bout that tho I’ll stop on this one]
    ENFP * IEE *

    "You don't have a soul. You have a body. You are a soul."

  25. #25
    Sauron, The Great Enemy ArchonAlarion's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    TIM
    Yet to be determined
    Posts
    4,411
    Mentioned
    12 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    One of my good friends is an ESFp.

    She's made my life miserable, but other then that we get along great.
    The end is nigh

  26. #26

    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    NYC
    Posts
    1,833
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by sunnycalih View Post
    So this was super interesting for me to read. I've been sort of hypothesizing about whether or not certain super-ego combos can be more damaging than others. Again, I'm IEE and my fiance is SLE. ENFP/ESTP. And I really feel that is true. I would hope more comes of this thread. If I don’t destroy it with my massive post, that no one will get through. I’m sorry, I just have so many ideas! Ick. And this sucker is edited! Sorry! Lol :/
    I read it all, and found it interesting! Hey, if your and your fiance are happy and it works, then it works. Why even question it? Socionics is one little part, but not the whole enchilada.
    Hi! I'm an ENFP. :-)

  27. #27
    sunnycalih's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Orange County, CA
    Posts
    12
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default MY UN-EDITED RANT #2

    Quote Originally Posted by jewels View Post
    I read it all, and found it interesting! Hey, if your and your fiance are happy and it works, then it works. Why even question it? Socionics is one little part, but not the whole enchilada.
    **WARNING, UN-EDITED RANT COMING ON**:

    So, this response gave me hope. And I tried to get away from the super-ego labelness for a while. but my god have things gone horribly wrong this weekend. I cried. I don’t even remember why. Oh wait, yes I do, it was because he got drunk cuz he got let go from his job, and I don’t get him when he’s drunk. He’s Super loud, and dances, and calls friends like rapid fire. I mean, I guess he’s an E, afterall, but I think just the way our E’ness expresses itself is SO different, it scares me when it’s thrown in my face. I catch myself in the mirror w/ a furrowed brow, and tense shoulders, just a, “what on Earth are you doing?” look. Which tends to only make him do it more for some reason. I imagine there’s some sort of inner voice which picks up on the implied pressure oozing from my looks, saying “calm the F down. what is wrong w/ you??” but instead of calming, his inner self makes him want to rebel against any voice that is trying to silence or control him. Tho its my function that’s seems to be trying to keep my sanity that is asking him to calm down. It’s like, there’s this part of me that is silently Pleading with him to calm down. to be “normal” again. And it’s doing this because otherwise I’ll lose my mind. But to him, it doesn’t matter why I’m doing it, just that he feels the pressure to change, to do something other than what he feels inclined to do. so he rebels against that “pressure”.

    I woke up with a Horribly tight neck and shoulders. I cried the next morning, because I’d been yelling at him at night, saying “I’ll see you in the morning! I sure do miss my boyfriend right now, don’t know where he went! There’s some nutjob here in my room instead, yelling and dancing and stumbling, but I won’t see my bf til the morning!” And then, in the morning, when it was “him” again, I cried. Cuz the whole episode hurt me terribly. I am, in the end, an Idealist. And that episode was Anything but ideal. Thing is, he really wasn’t that horrible. He was just dancing and laughing loud. Why did it Terrify me to the point of a feeling of raw fear? I felt Terrified, and that’s not an exaggeration. I was terrified of Why he was acting like that. I don’t like not getting things. And I don’t get how when someone looks at you like you’re nuts, you don’t even acknowledge it. you get louder! And not someone you hate. Your fiancé, is the one doing it. wouldn’t that make you want to simmer down a notch? Or, laugh? Or make fun of the fact that I’m all scared for no reason? I can take a joke, make fun of me for it. making light of the fear would make it lighter. But he just seemed to take it as a challenge. So I felt worse for reacting that way, which then turned into this feeling of guilt. He asked me to come sit by the radio w/ him, because he wanted to keep his mind off the job stuff, and just relax. And he wanted me to sit there w/ him. but he was so loud! It just made me cringe every time he laughed. The E’ness was terrifying me. I just wanted to plead w/ him to get into bed and sleep. But I could tell that he was relaxing. I just couldn’t stand being around it. He just got louder and louder. I didn’t know what to do to make him stop, but I wanted him to stop so badly. Thing is, he can get like this anytime he’s around friends. He’s just loud, and, oh god, the answer is so clear when I write it here. it’s just SUPEREGO problems all over the place.

    Anyway, getting to the point, I cried. He got irritated. To the point where he resembled me the night before. Me crying makes him feel horrible. I cry because I feel weak, or am concerned, and it’s basically just whatever inner turmoil I have, bubbling over. But there’s always this underlying hope for me, that someone will just hold me and make it all ok. Because really, it’s rarely based in any rational fear. It’s just a “what are we doing here?” “why is there so much sadness in the world?” “why does the world scare me?” “what if we don’t make it?” “do you know how much I’d miss you if you weren’t here?” These are the things going through my head when I end up tearing up. and then, at these moments, I want SO badly, to look into your eyes, and have you see how much I’m hurting, and just want to calm me down. I need to be calmed down at these times so bad. I know no one has answers to these questions, but just to hold me, and not take it seriously. I don’t want to concern you more, and want to know that these fears I have are insignificant, and will never effect us. that it doesn’t get to you that I have random fears. That it won’t effect you.

    Not gonna happen apparently w/ an ESTP. He feels like SH*T when I cry. We almost broke up about 3 times this weekend. He looks at me like I’m nuts when I cry. He’s like, “why are you crying? What did I do?” “you didn’t do anything! I don’t know, just…” And I try to go in for a hug, cuz that’s all I need and I’ll shut up. just hug me, protect me. calm me. be stronger than I am. show me that the things that terrify me, don’t get to you at all. But he can’t. I know these things don’t get to him, but he can’t accept that they get to me. We’re so torn today. I want to cry all the time. I don’t know how we got to this point. It’s breaking my heart. He’s met my parents, we live together. We have two cars together, and a bedroom set we make payments on. I feel like my hopes and dreams are falling down around me. I had a panic attack last night, I webmd’d it. I have chest pain, and thought I was losing my mind. I don’t know how to deal w/ this. I feel like if we break up, it will be because I cry. And I know I’ll only cry more when we break up. should I go to a therapist and try to work us out? should I let the whole thing go, and just go on some sexy, ISTP (SLI) search. How will I deal w/ this loss? Should I try to get Prozac or something, so I can numb the irrational fear and pain I feel? Will that help? Am I lying to myself? Will we always end up in this same position? What if I actually have kids with the guy. What then? Post pardum depression?? Who will work me through that? this relationship, if it fails, will devastate us both, because we’ve both put so much into it. He cooks, and cleans, and buys me flowers, and rubs my back, and goes to movies w/ me that he hates, and goes to all girls parties, cuz I invite him. and I keep our place spotless, and make him a priority, and make dinner, and have turned into a housewife. He’s motivated me to get a better job, and to stick to it, and motivates me to finish my psychology degree, and wants to help me do so, and is so generous, and gives money to whoever needs it, whenever. And he admires how kind I am, and always tells his friends and family how we hate to argue, and how we just get along so well. and it’s usually so true! We both respect and adore eachother as people. we have idealized eachother for over a yr. I love him. I love the little things he does. How I wake up at 4 am and his feet are searching inadvertently through the sheets for mine. How when we get ready for bed, he brings me my slippers in the bathroom so my feet don’t get cold on the tile, or he’ll prep my toothbrush w/ toothpaste, or just randomly start washing my hair in the shower. Or hug me when we’re in line somewhere, or just look into my eyes and tell me how beautiful my eyes are, or just how beautiful I am. he makes me feel like a princess 90% of the time.

    But the thing is, as he does these things, my automatic response, is to tear up. it brings tears to my eyes sometimes how sweet he is, I teared up right now, just writing that. I tear up when I’m happy, when I’m sad, when the emotion or beauty of something overwhelms me, or even when I laugh to hard. But no matter what the reason is, just the fact that he sees tears in my eyes, makes him feel guilt. Makes him feel down on himself. Like I’m not getting enough from him. How horrible is that? I inadvertenly make him feel bad. and then, when I see him feeling bad, I feel worse! Cuz I know it’s because of my reactions. But I love the kid so damn much!! It’s not that he does anything horrible to the point of me not loving him any more. I still love him immensely. That’s what’s so horrible! This idea of us not working out, is ripping apart my heart. It’s tearing it apart thread by thread. We’ve become so intertwined. And I do respect and love him so much as a person. We just can’t, for the life of us, make eachother truly happy. And that’s all either of us really want to do. See the other one completely happy. But the thing is, neither of us know what the HELL to do w/ eachother’s weaknesses. Where we want to help, and where it hurts us to see the other person hurting, they’re just acting so WEIRD in those moments, it scares us. and rather than show love and acceptance when we need it most, we come off hard, cold, and uncaring. COMPLETELY inadvertently. This whole thing is breaking my heart. I can’t imagine my life without him anymore, but the thought of being w/ someone who cannot/will not calm me, understand me inner fears, terrifies me. I know I will be an emotional wreck, worse than now, down the line. Like I said. After a baby, after 2, 3 kids. Mid life crisis? If you can’t handle my random fears now, how the hell will you deal w/ those train wrecks later??

    Then there’s the other things. He doesn’t like birthdays. Or valentines. He doesn’t like giving or receiving gifts these days. he doesn’t like theme parks, or doing random things, just on a whim. But at the same time, he’s not one for big planned events. He doesn’t seem to enjoy anything, really. Accept sitting w/ friends, exchanging concrete stories. I get bored out of my MIND in these groups. “remember the time?” “this one time..” “I can top that, remember when??” shut the eff up. who cares? What are you even talking about any more, and why are you all talking?? Oh god, it hurts my head. The only time we’re really good together, I suppose is when we are both dancing, we do enjoy that, or when we’re both in bed, watching tv, snuggling, or just the two of us, SOBER. Or maybe I should rephrase the first part of that sentence to read “the only time I’m really happy is”. Those are the moments I wait for. The moments I endure everything else for. I try so hard to put a good spin on things. And I am naturally optimistic, to a fault, so I rrreaally don’t like giving up on things. There’s so much good! So much love! Many little things I would miss enormously. Really, I just don’t know how I would go on. I don’t know if I would be motivated to keep working, or, function at all. I have no idea how I would sleep. I don’t know how to sleep alone anymore. I don’t know how to, nor if I want to, give it up, or if I could even deal w/ the loneliness afterwards, or the thinking about how he’s feeling. I couldn’t handle it being my fault. Because I cry?? Because I want a valentine’s gift? I read somewhere about how ENFP’s cannot fault people for things they do inadvertently. Welp, I can’t fault him for anything. His motives are always pure and sweet. Having two E’s or two I’s makes for an even plane, right? So we both feel like we’re equals.

    Oh what a mess. What a great big huge mess. And what a gigantic venting-fest. Or more correctly, ramble-fest. But I always ramble, I suppose. Sorry.
    ENFP * IEE *

    "You don't have a soul. You have a body. You are a soul."

  28. #28
    redbaron's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    9,315
    Mentioned
    17 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Sunny.... I only skimmed it. But I have to say, please please please listen to what is going on and seriously consider taking a break from this relationship. I just have to say it. marriage is... long and full of ups and downs. If you're having these sorts of things happen before you're even married, it doesn't bode well. My supervisee husband (we've been married for almost 15 years) and I never fought before we were married. We don't fight often now, but we do fight and things aren't perfect. But my gosh, if you're not even married yet, get out while you can!! Even if you love him. He's not giving you what you need. I know that being engaged seems final or something but it's not. It's waaaay less final than having kids and a house and a whole lifetime. Do not think that things will get better. Most likely it will be the opposite. (And this coming from an optimist! Sorry....)
    IEI-Fe 4w3

  29. #29
    sunnycalih's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Orange County, CA
    Posts
    12
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Thank you.

    Quote Originally Posted by redbaron View Post
    Sunny.... I only skimmed it. But I have to say, please please please listen to what is going on and seriously consider taking a break from this relationship. I just have to say it. marriage is... long and full of ups and downs. If you're having these sorts of things happen before you're even married, it doesn't bode well. My supervisee husband (we've been married for almost 15 years) and I never fought before we were married. We don't fight often now, but we do fight and things aren't perfect. But my gosh, if you're not even married yet, get out while you can!! Even if you love him. He's not giving you what you need. I know that being engaged seems final or something but it's not. It's waaaay less final than having kids and a house and a whole lifetime. Do not think that things will get better. Most likely it will be the opposite. (And this coming from an optimist! Sorry....)
    Thank you so much for your response. I appreciate it more than you know. It makes me feel sane to have people actually respond in a normal manner anymore, regardless of the positivity or not. I appreciate the honesty.

    My real question, and maybe I should hop over to some “duality” thread, is will my dual really give me what I need. Will they comfort me when I’m panicky? Or will they do the same thing. That’s another fear I have. If I do let him go, it’ll be, deeply, because I have this idealistic hope of having that “duality” relationship.

    My ex and I were a supervisor relationship. I was the supervisee. That was a horrible relationship. I never thought this relationship could compare to that one. We argued constantly. It had become a comfort blanket for both of us, but the blanket had turned into a piece of prickly sand paper. We’d be cold w/ out it, but gotdam, if it wasn’t annoying to be under.

    This relationship is turning into something almost more hurtful. Because I can’t hate my SLE like I hated my LII. I could get some sort of dislike going for the LII, because he was doing things purposefully to get to me. granted, after reading about socionics, I understand he was probably coming w/ good intentions, too. thank god I didn’t know about all this business then. maybe I’d still be stuck there! I wonder if this would be easier to deal w/ if I didn’t understand SO much, where he is coming from.

    Just a mess. A horrible, confusing, painful, mess.

    I think I’m changing my tune on the super-ego pairs. Yeup. This weekend’s opened my eyes. Damn.
    ENFP * IEE *

    "You don't have a soul. You have a body. You are a soul."

  30. #30
    redbaron's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    9,315
    Mentioned
    17 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by sunnycalih View Post
    My real question, and maybe I should hop over to some “duality” thread, is will my dual really give me what I need. Will they comfort me when I’m panicky? Or will they do the same thing. That’s another fear I have. If I do let him go, it’ll be, deeply, because I have this idealistic hope of having that “duality” relationship.
    You know, before I knew a dual at close distance, I was skeptical. And I've only been in a romantic relationship with a dual once (when I was like 15 and only for a few months). I'm good friends with one now and it's very very comfortable and safe. He totally calms me and motivates me. There's a weightiness, a groundedness to him which is what I need as an IEI. Anyway, duality isn't everything but when the other things line up (values, goals, interests), it really can be amazing.
    IEI-Fe 4w3

  31. #31
    forgetmenot's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Poland
    Posts
    175
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by sunnycalih View Post
    My ex and I were a supervisor relationship. I was the supervisee. That was a horrible relationship. I never thought this relationship could compare to that one. We argued constantly. It had become a comfort blanket for both of us, but the blanket had turned into a piece of prickly sand paper. We’d be cold w/ out it, but gotdam, if it wasn’t annoying to be under.

    This relationship is turning into something almost more hurtful. Because I can’t hate my SLE like I hated my LII. I could get some sort of dislike going for the LII, because he was doing things purposefully to get to me. granted, after reading about socionics, I understand he was probably coming w/ good intentions, too. thank god I didn’t know about all this business then. maybe I’d still be stuck there! I wonder if this would be easier to deal w/ if I didn’t understand SO much, where he is coming from.
    I had similar experiences - I mean I was with LII and with SLE. For me, the relationship with LII was much better. I felt really comfortable with him, at ease especially in the beginning. I really loved that guy although he had a very difficult character. I don't blame his type for that. I know other INTjs, they are prone to have "difficult characters" but not all of them do. I'd actually never say I hate LIIs, it's just the opposite. I admire them in a way and I feel good in their company.
    My SLE was a person I really couldn't forget. The breakup was really painful although the relationship wasn't very serious. Because I thought he was an ideal. Now I think he's too loud, too self-centered and compared to my LII antitechnical (a trait which I value no idea why )

    And I think you overestimate duality. I'm sure it's really comfortable but you can have a nice life with other types. It depends on what you value. If I had a choice, I would go for another LII or SLI. Not because I think SLIs are a perfect match but because I know what I like. I like quiet, thinking types, with a sense of humor.

    Actually I'm sure you have a good intuition and you know what's good for you. I think you should forget about socionics a little bit and treat it more like a hobby. It's just a theory, some time ago people believed that the earth is a pancake. I mean I'm not saying it's a bad theory but just keep distance. From my own experience I know you may start exaggerating your stereotypical ENFpish traits and value ISTps too much. Anyway, some dual relationships also finish with a painful break-up.

    If I could give you some piece of advice, try to find some strength inside you, because it is there. You don't need any ISTp or whoever to calm you, try to do it yourself. Try to treat yourself as if you were your best friend. If you feel insecure - try to think it's just a moment and it will be gone. Make a cup of tea, relax, try to keep distance. I'm sure it will work.

    I wish you good luck with everything! Whatever happens, if you get married or if you finish this relationship - be your best friend and try to be the best to you. Take care of yourself, raise your mood! Nobody will do it for you, and it's even better to do it yourself .
    Take care! I am with you :*

  32. #32
    Twist-Tie Spider iAnnAu's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Knoxhell TN
    Posts
    987
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by sunnycalih View Post
    My real question, and maybe I should hop over to some “duality” thread, is will my dual really give me what I need. Will they comfort me when I’m panicky? Or will they do the same thing. That’s another fear I have. If I do let him go, it’ll be, deeply, because I have this idealistic hope of having that “duality” relationship.
    Sunny ... two things.
    1. You don't have to give up on the relationship you have. You've given us a few details about it, but only you are living it. And no relationship is perfect. You're going through a rough spot, but if the two of you can address what's going on and come to an understanding, that very process can strengthen the bonds between you. EVERY RELATIONSHIP TAKES WORK. Now, if you have been noticing all sorts of problems and they're stacking up unresolved, THAT is important and probably a good indicator that either the two of you are innately incompatible or one or both of you has some emotional maturity to develop. But again, we can't really tell you that from an internet forum.

    2. Your dual is not going to give you what you "need" any more or less than any other type. Their information metabolism is theorized to be the most complementary to your own, and that's all. It means that you're likely to be comfortable around them ... but ultimately it's up to YOU to give yourself what you need, and then find someone whose company you enjoy deeply enough to commit yourself to. And let me not downplay the difficulty of doing this for oneself - I can't even be certain I've achieved that level of maturity! But I'm not AFRAID of being alone; I know I'll be OK. The relationship I have with my current SO is going great, but if at some point in the future we end up not together, my life will go on, and that is no smear on him - I would hope he could say the same about himself. To me, that makes it even more significant that we choose to share our lives with each other.

    It sounds like you're going through some strong and confusing emotions, so I hope I haven't said anything that sounds dismissive. Give yourself some time and space to yourself to give them some expression, because trying to stuff those emotions down and not acknowledge them has had bad results for me.
    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Bukowski
    We're all going to die, all of us, what a circus! That alone should make us love each other but it doesn't. We are terrorized and flattened by trivialities, we are eaten up by nothing.
    SLI

  33. #33
    forgetmenot's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Poland
    Posts
    175
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by iAnnAu View Post
    But I'm not AFRAID of being alone; I know I'll be OK. The relationship I have with my current SO is going great, but if at some point in the future we end up not together, my life will go on, and that is no smear on him - I would hope he could say the same about himself.
    What's the type of the person you are with now?
    I like your post ... I used to think the same when I was in a relationship with my ex - that if we split up at some point I'll be able to carry on, thank you for reminding me that! :*

  34. #34
    dattebayo's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    380
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Sunnycalih, it's been a few days since your last post. I hope you feel better now :redface:

    first of all, would it change how you feel if you we duals? I don't know but IEI can be as outgoing as anyone. Introversion in your case is simply using NI Fe over Ne Fi. In the way you post your venting, you still seem to keep on track on issues. You don't seem to jump all over the place (Ne).

    Also you seem very emotional. Of course IEE's are emotional, but I think that because of the IEE's ability to read ppls motivation a IEE would fairly easily figure out her own motivations for crying, etc. and not stay confused about her own feelings too long

    also you write you know what you need, a hug. From my experiance (I'm only 95% sure I'm IEE) when I'm confused I feel I need to do something or reason my way out of it (Se Ti) hence I try using my superego functions. I don't realize that I actually just need Si, be it a run, a meal, a long nights sleep or a hug. If you need action and logical reasoning maybe you might be IEI

    So do you think you could be IEI?

    I'm sorry I have to go. I'll get back to you later. All the best Sunnycalih

    oh and I dig your avatar A LOT
    n00bIEE

  35. #35
    Haikus Sirena's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    GAH, US
    TIM
    Mumpsimus
    Posts
    2,545
    Mentioned
    5 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by dattebayo View Post
    Sunnycalih, it's been a few days since your last post. I hope you feel better now :redface:

    first of all, would it change how you feel if you we duals? I don't know but IEI can be as outgoing as anyone. Introversion in your case is simply using NI Fe over Ne Fi. In the way you post your venting, you still seem to keep on track on issues. You don't seem to jump all over the place (Ne).

    Also you seem very emotional. Of course IEE's are emotional, but I think that because of the IEE's ability to read ppls motivation a IEE would fairly easily figure out her own motivations for crying, etc. and not stay confused about her own feelings too long

    also you write you know what you need, a hug. From my experiance (I'm only 95% sure I'm IEE) when I'm confused I feel I need to do something or reason my way out of it (Se Ti) hence I try using my superego functions. I don't realize that I actually just need Si, be it a run, a meal, a long nights sleep or a hug. If you need action and logical reasoning maybe you might be IEI

    So do you think you could be IEI?

    I'm sorry I have to go. I'll get back to you later. All the best Sunnycalih

    oh and I dig your avatar A LOT
    This is pretty much in line with what I was thinking reading your post, sunny. I don't know that I can actually list specific reasons for thinking so, like dattebayo did here, but I just get an Ni/Fe vibe (could also be EIE) from your post. And I relate to a lot of what you wrote, on a deeply raw level. I hope you're feeling better these days!

  36. #36
    dattebayo's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Posts
    380
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Sirena!!! what happened to your sig

    I forgot to reply on the op, cuz I got so caught up in sunnycali's situation. Sunnycalih if ur reading this I really hope that you've sorted it out

    oh, i almost forgot again lol. My sister is my superego, but we have the best relationship! So much so, that it makes me wonder whether we really are superegos on a daily basis lol but i really think we are. I do see a difference in values and motivations, but it still doesn't seem to cause any real misunderstandings or disappointments. Maybe this is because we know each other so well. There is a bigger need for communication than with a dual. But if u don't mind the odd discussion it is OK

    The good thing about a superego relationship is that it helps developing your superego functions effortlessly it seems just by being around a skilled person.
    plus it forces you to look beyond your own values and pov's. This I think is the best thing about having a really good relationship with a person from a opposing quadra (or just another quadra I guess)
    also means less relaxing and more action and plain fun in our case, than with my dual. It's nice with a bit (or A LOT) of both I think
    n00bIEE

  37. #37
    Angel of Lightning Brilliand's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Utah
    TIM
    LII
    Posts
    4,235
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Superego hit

    I just got this message on Tribal Wars:

    check out how close these guy's are to you...

    and they are on our side...

    and eventually will take over this K

    - The Huns .1 (911|350) K39

    - Immunesoul#055 no1 can Take me (913|363) K39

    - SUBV#039 (904|370) K39

    - kix 9 (901|354) K39

    if you would like to join let me know...

    i know these guy's...

    they want points...

    and they won't stop...

    (not trying to start anything)...
    He's made an enemy.



    LII-Ne

    "Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING like Shakespeare!"
    - Blair Houghton

    Johari

  38. #38
    Ezra's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Posts
    9,168
    Mentioned
    10 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Superego relations which seem good initially and which for a time you believe may actually work

    Posted this at socionics workshop, but it looks inactive and shit and like I won't get a reply for at least a week.

    I recently split up with my girlfriend of four months, who I initially thought was EIE. Then I thought about IEE. I didn't see how me, an SLE, and her, my activation partner, could possibly be incompatible, given my fantastic relations with two EIEs who I deem my best friends, as well as possibly two other EIEs who I consider to be good friends. On top of this, other EIEs I've met I am instantly drawn to.

    Now, when I first met my girlfriend, I was instantly drawn to her. This, I've been thinking, is because I saw Fe and Ni in her and liked it.

    I read the intertype relations on socionics.us a few days ago, particularly the activation and superego ones, and I was surprised by just how "good" the superego relations could look. In fact, it struck me as being highly accurate in describing our relations and some of the reasons they ended.

    So, can superego relations look hopeful to start with? More over, could a relationship be successfully had for four months before it started becoming obvious that what she wanted and what I had (Te and Si) I simply didn't value, and vice versa? Or is it impossible that it could last so long without my recognising that she was clearly from a different - opposite - quadra, and thus other factors must be responsible? FTR, she is definitely IEE or EIE. It's not even worth considering other options.

  39. #39
    Poster Nutbag The Exception's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    my own personal bubble
    TIM
    LII-Ne
    Posts
    4,097
    Mentioned
    103 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)

    Default

    I haven't had much luck with my superego type. They tend to rub me the wrong way without them meaning to. I wonder if they feel the same way about me.
    LII-Ne with strong EII tendencies, 6w7-9w1-3w4 so/sp/sx, INxP



  40. #40

    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    144
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    I had an ESE friend in high school, and it seemed like we would be bffs, but then when we hung out about a year ago, it was clear I had gone seperate from my class, which was primarily Alpha, with a few betas and deltas thrown in. I can only think of one other person who I would guess as gamma. BTW, my class had 34 kids in it.
    LIE-Ni, i think, but maybe ILI

Page 1 of 4 1234 LastLast

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •