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    I've heard of Wittgenstein being typed as LII. At first glance, I would agree with this. However, after doing some research, I'm starting to wonder if he's ILI. I read his biography on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wittgenstein). Nothing really stood out as him being more ILI than LII (or vice versa) until I read this quote from Carnap:

    "His point of view and his attitude toward people and problems, even theoretical problems, were much more similar to those of a creative artist than to those of a scientist; one might almost say, similar to those of a religious prophet or a seer… When finally, sometimes after a prolonged arduous effort, his answers came forth, his statement stood before us like a newly created piece of art or a divine revelation…the impression he made on us was as if insight came to him as through divine inspiration, so that we could not help feeling that any sober rational comment of analysis of it would be a profanation."

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    “It is a dogma of the Roman Church that the existence of God can be proved by natural reason. Now this dogma would make it impossible for me to be a Roman Catholic. If I thought of God as another being like myself, outside myself, only infinitely more powerful, then I would regard it as my duty to defy him.”

    "It is an hypothesis that the sun will rise tomorrow: and this means that we do not know whether it will rise."






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    ...the human race will disappear. Other races will appear and disappear in turn. The sky will become icy and void, pierced by the feeble light of half-dead stars. Which will also disappear. Everything will disappear. And what human beings do is just as free of sense as the free motion of elementary particles. Good, evil, morality, feelings? Pure 'Victorian fictions'.

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    Well, in my opinion, VI tells me he's an ILE. Doesn't he look like ENTp-Hugh Laurie?



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    Any thoughts as to what type he is?

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    Lots of Ni/Ti.. not INTp. you decide

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    I remember thinking he was INxp when I first read his work in college a few years back. I probably favored INTp just in contrast to the form and feel of philosophers like Nietzsche but it's been too long for me to remember any specific sources that made me think that.

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    I would say INTp. I generally love his writing.
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    I haven't read any of his writing, but knowing the general thrust of it, I'm betting ILI/INTp.
    Not a rule, just a trend.

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    He has such a proactive use of Ti.. INTps Ti is this dissolute demonstration of things. I dont see any Te in his writing either. I dont really see INTp for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazedratsghost View Post
    He has such a proactive use of Ti.. I dont see any Te in his writing either. I dont really see INTp for him.
    I see ISTj

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    Yeah that could be it.

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    I think INTp.
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    When he returned to Cambridge, Moore asked the university to consider accepting Logik as sufficient for a bachelor's degree, but they refused, saying it wasn't formatted properly: no footnotes, no preface. Wittgenstein was furious, writing to Moore in May 1914: "If I am not worth your making an exception for me even in some STUPID details then I may as well go to Hell directly; and if I am worth it and you don't do it then—by God—you might go there." Moore was apparently distraught; he wrote in his diary that he felt sick and could not get the letter out of his head.[63] The men didn't speak again until 1929.



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    I'm thinking INTp, but at least a process type. It says his usual method is thought experiments, which I also love to do. Thought experiments do allow people to come to their own conclusions instead of having to explain every single point. The main idea is to bask in the thought not to find an answer or result.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philoso...d_presentation

    Through such thought experiments, Wittgenstein attempts to get the reader to come to certain philosophical conclusions independently; he does not simply argue in favor of his own conclusions. These approaches can be very effective and rewarding, but it can also make Wittgenstein's philosophy difficult to grasp.
    .think of the following use of language: I send someone shopping. I give him a slip marked 'five red apples'. He takes the slip to the shopkeeper, who opens the drawer marked 'apples', then he looks up the word 'red' in a table and finds a colour sample opposite it; then he says the series of cardinal numbers—I assume that he knows them by heart—up to the word 'five' and for each number he takes an apple of the same colour as the sample out of the drawer.—It is in this and similar ways that one operates with words—"But how does he know where and how he is to look up the word 'red' and what he is to do with the word 'five'?" Well, I assume that he 'acts' as I have described. Explanations come to an end somewhere.—But what is the meaning of the word 'five'? No such thing was in question here, only how the word 'five' is used
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    I see ISTj
    Lmao.

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    I've never heard of a sensory type philosopher. That should narrow it down by 1/2, Maritsa. Yet you still manage to get it wrong! Muhahahahhaha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinxi View Post
    I've never heard of a sensory type philosopher. That should narrow it down by 1/2, Maritsa. Yet you still manage to get it wrong! Muhahahahhaha.
    Depends, but there could be. All philosophy is not the same. Philosophy of [insert subject].
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinxi View Post
    I've never heard of a sensory type philosopher.
    Mao Tse Tung. Maybe Aristotle and Democritus. I kind of want to say Han Fei and Mo Tzu. Does Sun Tzu count as a philospher? In my opinion he does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by munenori2 View Post
    Does Sun Tzu count as a philospher? In my opinion he does.
    Yes, but is Sun Tzu a sensor?

    Anyway, I'd say the Tao Te Ching is optimized for ISTp(Delta) > INTp(Gamma).
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    Quote Originally Posted by EyeSeeCold View Post
    Yes, but is Sun Tzu a sensor?

    Anyway, I'd say the Tao Te Ching is optimized for ISTp(Delta) > INTp(Gamma).
    I've always considered him an LSI personally. What do you see him as?

    I'd agree with that it's more Si/Ne than Se/Ni, absolutely. Which reminds me of Chuang Tzu, love that guy most of all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by munenori2 View Post
    I've always considered him an LSI personally. What do you see him as?
    I've never read his works, I was merely pointing out the uncertainty. Although Niccolò Machiavelli, I suspect, is also likely sensory > intuitive. And probably Gamma at that. He seems pretty cynical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by munenori2 View Post
    I've always considered him an LSI personally. What do you see him as?

    I'd agree with that it's more Si/Ne than Se/Ni, absolutely. Which reminds me of Chuang Tzu, love that guy most of all.
    Me too.

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