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    Alice - INFp
    Door Knob - ENFj
    White Rabbit - INTp
    Dodo - ESFj
    Tweedle Dee & Dum - ESTj
    Walrus - ISFj
    Carpenter - ISTj
    Lizard - ISFp
    Flowers - ESFp
    Caterpillar - INTj
    Chesire Cat - INFj
    Mad Hatter - ENTj
    March Hare - ENFp
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    My circle of druggy friends used to call me The Mad Hatter. He is probably EIE.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Yup, the caterpillar reminds me of my brother. It just talks more. I've never liked tweedledum.

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    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
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    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    Why do you consider Alice INFp? I've always thought of her as INFj. To me, she seems to display a sense of what's proper, quite unlike any INFp I've ever known. Also she seems to more of a protagonist, than the "victim" types tend to be. Anyway. I agree about the doorknob being ENFjish, as much as one can say anything about such a short appearance.

    For the dodo, as he appears here, ESFj seems possible.
    First eliminate every possible source of error. Thence success is inevitable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    My circle of druggy friends used to call me The Mad Hatter. He is probably EIE.
    That is possible. That he has an extroverted rational base function is indubitable, and creative seems likely too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smilingeyes View Post
    Why do you consider Alice INFp? I've always thought of her as INFj. To me, she seems to display a sense of what's proper, quite unlike any INFp I've ever known. Also she seems to more of a protagonist, than the "victim" types tend to be. Anyway. I agree about the doorknob being ENFjish, as much as one can say anything about such a short appearance.

    For the dodo, as he appears here, ESFj seems possible.
    Yeah, her head's in the clouds, but she's not a victim. She values . I'm not sure whether she values . The whole story is ; she doesn't really initiate it. Can't tell between Delta & Gamma.

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    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
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    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    She values .
    Does she? I never saw the whole thing, but....

    "nonsense - if I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smilingeyes View Post
    Why do you consider Alice INFp? I've always thought of her as INFj. To me, she seems to display a sense of what's proper, quite unlike any INFp I've ever known. Also she seems to more of a protagonist, than the "victim" types tend to be. Anyway. I agree about the doorknob being ENFjish, as much as one can say anything about such a short appearance.

    For the dodo, as he appears here, ESFj seems possible.
    Alice does not seem to spend much time judging, only perceiving...every judgment she makes is either a conditioned reflex which occurs most frequently when she is engaged in conversation, or in the short intervals between engagements and these monologues suggest indecision and continuous perception rather than judging. Other than curiosity, she has no defined objective and near the end she falls to pieces when she has grown tired of her perceptual wonders (one of her few conscious, rational decisions). Additionally, she does not show much in the way of extroverted intuition, and her final introverted feeling is usually the result of such misunderstandings. Rather, she seems to ponder in her own dreams on the inevitable aspects of her own situation, rather than explore the possibilities (except at the end when she uses the mushroom to overwhelm the queen, which spontaneously demonstrates a superior insight). She is very introverted and intuitive, though she is so dreamy that her extroverted feelings often almost occur as an afterthought. The Chesire Cat, with his helpful but creatively paradoxical babblings and profound compassion seems far more EII to me. However, I could be wrong - originally I thought that the Chesire Cat could be LSE and Alice ILE, which is the beneficiary of LSE (and Alice certainly benefited more from the cat, the representation of her own pet Dinah, than any other character) - the perceptions of herself within the dream might certainly demonstrate unconscious creative, where her seems replaced with imaginary friends...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smilingeyes View Post
    Why do you consider Alice INFp? I've always thought of her as INFj. To me, she seems to display a sense of what's proper, quite unlike any INFp I've ever known.
    I come off as extremely proper to people I'm not familiar with, especially when I'm in a new place or when when I'm not comfortable in my environment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    I come off as extremely proper to people I'm not familiar with, especially when I'm in a new place or when when I'm not comfortable in my environment.
    Yeah, see I don't see myself thinking of you as acting proper. Cautious, sure, but proper? Not from an ESTj point of view.

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    On the whole Alice thing...

    The whole thing is very much nonsense, meant for kids by a man with an academic education. A toy, a trifle. I think it's quite certain that Lewis Carroll himself was Ej-Si and Alice was his muse, one of the three kids he told stories to. And those kids were very insisting, and Lewis tended to weave labyrinths of silly things around them. That's why I think the original Alice, as well as the Alice from the books would have been INFj-Ne. Now I have to wonder for a moment, whether the character is so much twisted around for the film that she could be INFp here. But I'm feeling a bit tired. And tomorrow I need to travel. I need to make preparations. Happy new year everyone, btw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smilingeyes View Post
    Yeah, see I don't see myself thinking of you as acting proper. Cautious, sure, but proper? Not from an ESTj point of view.
    Well, think Audrey Hepburn or Princess Diana; I think both of them are IEI and both have a proper kind of elegant demeanor.
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    Don't bother, he's not going to change his mind.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    To an ESTj an INFp is the exact opposite of proper

    the thing with Alice is that she has more dreams than ideas, and she victimizes herself by opening herself up to characters that then terrorize her. however she seems to value too - when she talks about how everything would be what it isn't, and isn't what it is, she means factual things that no longer have their old characteristics but rather others that are mutually exclusive with the old set. however her cat, an obvious -valuing EIE, is immediately confused by the logical contradiction because she focuses on generalized abstract systems and not specific concrete concepts.

    anyways happy new year Smilingeyes

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    however she seems to value too - when she talks about how everything would be what it isn't, and isn't what it is, she means factual things that no longer have their old characteristics but rather others that are mutually exclusive with the old set. however her cat, an obvious -valuing EIE, is immediately confused by the logical contradiction because she focuses on generalized abstract systems and not specific concrete concepts.
    Bullshit. You all are reading way too much into a cartoon. Although Alice the movie has some psychological concepts, your post does not make since she didn't specifically define 'factual things.' Everything means just that, everything.

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