Socionics Types and Quotes

**UDP** · 12-29-2008, 02:55 AM

This isn't necessarily related to only deltas, but, it's something we could talk about. Basically, post things that you see as being socioincally relevant - or instances in real conversation/interaction where you think socionics comes through in a clear way. There are some moments where I say "wow, this really exemplifies...." - do you have the same? I've been thinking about making a thread like this for a while, and some things from today finally led to it happening.

Holiday gatherings may yield some quotes, like they did for me, today.
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A Family Gathering:

The SLE of the family is known as the trouble maker. He tickles kids and swears. He's very good natured, but he's definitely

dominant and likes to influence other people.

I noticed for the first time a growing affinity from the SLE, who is an older 40+ uncle in the faimly, and an EIE who is in middle school now- the SLE's nephew. There was a very Beta moment at one point - the EIE was remarking about how he didn't like much of his family (playfully) ((also - most of his family is alpha/delta)). He said, jokingly, that he would disown everyone -- everyone but the SLE, who was "cool". The SLE and EIE have known each other for along time, but this was the first time - the first family gathering - where the EIE seemed overtly drawn to the very strong

of the SLE; it was interesting to see.

Later on, the same EIE was commenting about one of his other cousins. The daughter of the SLE happens, actually, to be EII. (She's EII 9w1, and until the last few years has been extremely shy and rarely spoke, even though she's now in elementary school). I don't remember what, but, the EIE made a remark about the EII in passing: "I don't like her, she doesn't talk to me, doesn't smile at me, and doesn't let me hug her. She's not nice to me". The EIE was definitely making remarks about the EII not valuing his

, not being receptive to it. Keep in mind, these were sort of just passing remarks, and not meant to be hurting, just a rather honest reaction ((which is good to look for in typing people)). Remembering, perhaps, I think someone told the EIE to sit next to an EII for a photo, or something of that nature, and so this led to his response - a declaration of why he didn't want to sit next to the EII.

I engaged in some discussion of current events with an LSE later on, and some other events of the evening were taking place - hectic things, some family drama. The quote stuck in my head of his is: "That's why I just try to keep my life boring". This LSE is a Te subtype 1w9 sp. He kind of exemplifies, in his life, a very "conservative" lifestyle - in terms of the choice of his spouse (an ESI he knew growing up, which was an obvious and safe choice), and his lifestyle and occupation. Anyhow, his remark about keeping his life boring was one version of being an LSE, and I thought his own words captured very well his general persona - which is extremely "safe". He takes risks, and he's still capable of kicking ass, but, he's very content with a small town way of life, and his family. During a somewhat tumultuous situation that night (family member in a hospital), he spent time reassuring people. Later (rather boringly, to most, I assume), he explained some of the new features in his home - how the unorthodox fireplace works, and his new robot vacuum cleaner.

**Park** · 12-29-2008, 04:44 AM

Very interesting observations. Though I think that's somewhat of a harsh remark and overall attitude you said the EIE has towards his Contrary. From an intertype-dynamics perspective their issues should not be as much concentrated on Fe imo.

**UDP** · 12-29-2008, 06:01 AM

Originally Posted by Winterpark

Though I think that's somewhat of a harsh remark and overall attitude you said the EIE has towards his Contrary. From an intertype-dynamics perspective their issues should not be as much concentrated on Fe imo.

Harsh or not, it's what he said. I don't think he outrightly dislikes her, but, I clearly get the sense that her resistance to his large

preference bothered him, and he was kind of feeling a little snotty and lashed out in that moment.

**Park** · 12-29-2008, 06:10 AM

Originally Posted by UDP

Harsh or not, it's what he said. I don't think he outrightly dislikes her, but, I clearly get the sense that her resistance to his large

preference bothered him, and he was kind of feeling a little snotty and lashed out in that moment.

Yeah, I understand, it just sort of sounded like a really big deal the way you said it. I also find it interesting how that sort of thing sticks out to you, as an Fe roleR, and EIE's super-ego.

**07490** · 12-29-2008, 06:15 AM

Originally Posted by UDP

This isn't necessarily related to only deltas, but, it's something we could talk about. Basically, post things that you see as being socioincally relevant - or instances in real conversation/interaction where you think socionics comes through in a clear way. There are some moments where I say "wow, this really exemplifies...." - do you have the same? I've been thinking about making a thread like this for a while, and some things from today finally led to it happening.

Holiday gatherings may yield some quotes, like they did for me, today.
-----------

A Family Gathering:

The SLE of the family is known as the trouble maker. He tickles kids and swears. He's very good natured, but he's definitely

dominant and likes to influence other people.

I noticed for the first time a growing affinity from the SLE, who is an older 40+ uncle in the faimly, and an EIE who is in middle school now- the SLE's nephew. There was a very Beta moment at one point - the EIE was remarking about how he didn't like much of his family (playfully) ((also - most of his family is alpha/delta)). He said, jokingly, that he would disown everyone -- everyone but the SLE, who was "cool". The SLE and EIE have known each other for along time, but this was the first time - the first family gathering - where the EIE seemed overtly drawn to the very strong

of the SLE; it was interesting to see.

Later on, the same EIE was commenting about one of his other cousins. The daughter of the SLE happens, actually, to be EII. (She's EII 9w1, and until the last few years has been extremely shy and rarely spoke, even though she's now in elementary school). I don't remember what, but, the EIE made a remark about the EII in passing: "I don't like her, she doesn't talk to me, doesn't smile at me, and doesn't let me hug her. She's not nice to me". The EIE was definitely making remarks about the EII not valuing his

, not being receptive to it. Keep in mind, these were sort of just passing remarks, and not meant to be hurting, just a rather honest reaction ((which is good to look for in typing people)). Remembering, perhaps, I think someone told the EIE to sit next to an EII for a photo, or something of that nature, and so this led to his response - a declaration of why he didn't want to sit next to the EII.

I engaged in some discussion of current events with an LSE later on, and some other events of the evening were taking place - hectic things, some family drama. The quote stuck in my head of his is: "That's why I just try to keep my life boring". This LSE is a Te subtype 1w9 sp. He kind of exemplifies, in his life, a very "conservative" lifestyle - in terms of the choice of his spouse (an ESI he knew growing up, which was an obvious and safe choice), and his lifestyle and occupation. Anyhow, his remark about keeping his life boring was one version of being an LSE, and I thought his own words captured very well his general persona - which is extremely "safe". He takes risks, and he's still capable of kicking ass, but, he's very content with a small town way of life, and his family. During a somewhat tumultuous situation that night (family member in a hospital), he spent time reassuring people. Later (rather boringly, to most, I assume), he explained some of the new features in his home - how the unorthodox fireplace works, and his now robot vacuum cleaner.

I read the whole thing and i think you are a very understanding and a well thinking guy inside your head. maybe that's why they always refer UDP with charisma.

**somavision** · 12-29-2008, 07:24 PM

I very much enjoyed your post UDP. I found it both clear and insightful.
I would like to write some observations about a recent social experience I had, after reading your post I will attempt to keep it as clear as possible.
It's more observation to start with, should be some quotes at the end.

I had gone out for a drink with two friends, an LSE and an LII, myself being IEE.

To add some context the LII had in his youth, some issues with being treated badly by women.
A few years ago another friend of his suggested to him that he was too nice and should treat women a little meaner to get them to like/love/respect him etc.
My friend had always described his friend as an "alpha male", I had never met this person.
He has now been going out with an SEI for about two years, he has very little time for her and in my opinion treats her less well than he should.
In my opinion her confidence suffers from his attitude towards her and the consensus amoungst our mutual friends is that they do not have a healthy relationship.

Anyway...back to what was for me a curious and enlightening moment.
The three of us were having a drink, when a friend of the LII spots us and comes over to join us accompanied by his girlfriend.
I was paying particular attention to everyones interactions, as I was still at this point uncertain as to whether the LII, was LII or ILE
Well to cust down a very long story to just a long one, the friend was SLE and she was IEI and of course, he was the one that gave my friend the advise that seemed to be so damaging and contrary to who he really is.

Nearly time for some quotes...well paraphrases...After the SLE and the IEI left, I started talking to my friends just to confirm or reject my observations.

LII: aaaAARrghh laddy, you be taking this nonsense too serious, I be worried about ye, I think ye be fooling in it, to escape other problems! In additon most pirates not be interested in this type of mental sorcery
LSE: Actually I'm really interested in this stuff I like it, I just don't have time, to look at it properly

We start to talk about the SLE and IEI.

LII: aaaAARrghh laddy, I will tell you something, she be follwing that swashbuckling sea dog wherever he goes, if he be wanting to talk to his crew she'll be hovering around obediently until he be ready to savage her. That be when he gave me the advise to treat wenches like wenches.
Me: I say something really clever, witty and insightful.
LII: says something...not stupid...but missing the point
Me: I say somthing else
LSE: tells me to stop being so defensive.
If my memory serves me correctly, I then got distracted by a buxom wench, clench my cutlass between my teeth and swing on a chandalier over to the bar. I then buy a happy hour mojito for myself and a white wine for the lady.

hmmm...I'm not really sure what my point was...I suppose what it comes down to is that it was really funny watching my supervisor getting supervised.

**UDP** · 12-31-2008, 04:10 AM

Originally Posted by somavision

I then got distracted by a buxom wench

It happens.

**UDP** · 01-02-2009, 09:58 AM

[05:46] zzz: morning?
[05:46] xxx: morning
[05:47] xxx: hey
[05:47] zzz: heh whats up?
[05:47] xxx: not much
[05:47] zzz: why are u awake?
[05:49] xxx: thinking
[05:49] xxx: and talking to people
[05:49] zzz: thinking about what?
[05:49] xxx: many things
[05:51] zzz: uh ok
[05:51] xxx: right now I'm having a discussion about sex, actually.
[05:52] zzz: ok ill let u go
[05:52] xxx: ........
[05:52] xxx: why do you interpret what I say as me telling you to go or stay?
[05:53] xxx: You asked me what I was doing, and then I told you
[05:53] zzz: cuz u werent totally forthcoming about it and u didnt ask me anything about it so i interpreted it as u not wanting to talk which i dont think is a strange way to interpret u being vague
[05:54] xxx: I was forthcoming
[05:54] xxx: I told you exactly what was going on.
[05:54] zzz: ok nvm
[05:54] xxx: many things, and then one thing specifically
[05:54] xxx: that discussion
[05:54] zzz: im not offended or nething i just dont like feeling like im in a convo that the other person doesnt wanna be in
[05:56] zzz: im sorry if i missinterpret u
[05:56] zzz: but i just guess sometimes the way u talk makes me feel that way
[05:56] xxx: I understand
[05:57] zzz: well thanks for understanding, ill work on it. i guess i just have a hard time trusting that when people say something...thats all they r saying, im used to deeper/double meanings

**Park** · 01-02-2009, 12:01 PM

zzz would get on my nerves easily.

**Zero** · 09-06-2017, 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by UDP

[05:46] zzz: morning?
[05:46] xxx: morning
[05:47] xxx: hey
[05:47] zzz: heh whats up?
[05:47] xxx: not much
[05:47] zzz: why are u awake?
[05:49] xxx: thinking
[05:49] xxx: and talking to people
[05:49] zzz: thinking about what?
[05:49] xxx: many things
[05:51] zzz: uh ok
[05:51] xxx: right now I'm having a discussion about sex, actually.
[05:52] zzz: ok ill let u go
[05:52] xxx: ........
[05:52] xxx: why do you interpret what I say as me telling you to go or stay?
[05:53] xxx: You asked me what I was doing, and then I told you
[05:53] zzz: cuz u werent totally forthcoming about it and u didnt ask me anything about it so i interpreted it as u not wanting to talk which i dont think is a strange way to interpret u being vague
[05:54] xxx: I was forthcoming
[05:54] xxx: I told you exactly what was going on.
[05:54] zzz: ok nvm
[05:54] xxx: many things, and then one thing specifically
[05:54] xxx: that discussion
[05:54] zzz: im not offended or nething i just dont like feeling like im in a convo that the other person doesnt wanna be in
[05:56] zzz: im sorry if i missinterpret u
[05:56] zzz: but i just guess sometimes the way u talk makes me feel that way
[05:56] xxx: I understand
[05:57] zzz: well thanks for understanding, ill work on it. i guess i just have a hard time trusting that when people say something...thats all they r saying, im used to deeper/double meanings

zzz sounds like my EII friend

Creepy-Cyclops · 05-03-2009, 04:21 PM

My SLI friend on discussing our favourite comedy shows, "Yes, I quite enjoy comedy". Delivered completely seriously and genuinely, with a poker straight face and a 100% deadpan voice.

**marooned** · 06-26-2009, 05:31 PM

ESI (not word-for-word, but trying): NASA spent 6 million dollars designing a pen that could write in zero gravity. What did the Russians do? They used a pencil. Come on, think, people.

**marooned** · 03-16-2010, 05:06 AM

Originally Posted by Loki

ESI (not word-for-word, but trying): NASA spent 6 million dollars designing a pen that could write in zero gravity. What did the Russians do? They used a pencil. Come on, think, people.

Same ESI: Regularly emphasizes seeing the signs and reading the writing on the wall and the trends. Referenced the story Who Moved My Cheese? as an example with the point that it's important to be the mouse who knows the cheese supply is dwindling and is therefore not surprised when the cheese moves and is in fact already onto looking for new cheese supplies well before the cheese "moves," always staying ahead of the game.

**The Exception** · 06-27-2009, 01:06 AM

Why is this thread in the Delta Quadra subforum? Wouldn't it be better placed in General Discussion? It deals with all types.

**UDP** · 06-30-2009, 04:58 AM

Originally Posted by warrior-librarian

Why is this thread in the Delta Quadra subforum? Wouldn't it be better placed in General Discussion? It deals with all types.

This isn't necessarily related to only deltas, but, it's something we could talk about. Basically, post things that you see as being socioincally relevant - or instances in real conversation/interaction where you think socionics comes through in a clear way. There are some moments where I say "wow, this really exemplifies...." - do you have the same? I've been thinking about making a thread like this for a while, and some things from today finally led to it happening.

It was created in a time where there was very little happening in the delta quadra subforum; it was a means to get some deltas talking in here.

**07490** · 06-30-2009, 11:41 AM

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**UDP** · 07-17-2009, 06:54 PM

heh, I touched on a slightly uncomfortable subject with an SLI
and they bow out and change subjects to how they need to do something to their car.

classic.

**Danielle** · 07-19-2009, 05:32 PM

Trying to help an ESE who is in a relationship with another ESE:

Me: I just wish the two of you could have a level-headed conversation for once.
ESE: ...
Me: You need to sit down at a time when you're both calm and talk about your future and make a plan with a timeline and everything. Like, date for a year, plan marriage, get married. Or not.
ESE: We already made a plan but we don't follow it. We make plans in our "intimate moments". (said with air quotes)
Me: And then you fight. You two are always fighting or having intimate lovey-dovey talks, when are you ever just calm so you can talk about the relationship and get to know each other?
ESE: We are passionate people! She thinks I'm yelling when I'm not. Do I sound like I'm yelling?
(he kind of does, but I know that's how he talks when he's feeling strongly, which is almost always)
Me: No I know you're not yelling now but you were yelling on the phone with her.
ESE: We were both talking passionately!
Me: You've got to be able to talk some other kind of way if you want to get to know each other. Remember we talked about building relationships before you can commit to them?
ESE: ...
Me: What do you want to do?
ESE: I don't know! I don't want to break up with this girl, I love her!
Me:...
ESE: I've got to end it right now, cut it off!
(goes off and cries)

**Mattie** · 07-20-2009, 06:13 AM

Originally Posted by Ryu

heh, I touched on a slightly uncomfortable subject with an SLI
and they bow out and change subjects to how they need to do something to their car.

classic.

Yeah, really weird to me, like the most inorganic way to move the conversation. I was talking to this SiTe I had a rocky time with, and he brought up why I didn't talk much with him and why I seemed mean when we talked. I brought up all the times he continued to flake on me, and that I waited months for him to live up to his word and continued to have my patience tried to the point where I just gave up. Like, he directly asked for this, and then instead of answering anything, he just goes "Let's talk about something nicer." And we haven't talked since then, so I'm just like screw him

**Cyrano** · 07-20-2009, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by Ryu

heh, I touched on a slightly uncomfortable subject with an SLI
and they bow out and change subjects to how they need to do something to their car.

classic.

Well...what kind of car was it? ;-)

**redbaron** · 10-22-2009, 05:59 PM