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    Jadae mentioned that we needed a chart to remember PoLR/HA etc. but I insist that charts are completely unnecessary!

    So, for those of you having trouble remembering these things, this is what I do...

    (btw, I'm assuming you know the skeleton of Model A, you might want to familiarise yourselves with it if you aren't already)

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    3 Important Details

    #1 Introverted and extroverted functions alternate.

    LSE - Te Si Fe Ni

    #2 Judging and perceiving functions alternate.

    LSE - T(j) S(p) F(j) N(p)

    #3 The sub-conscious functions are opposite of the conscious functions.

    LSE - Te Si Fe Ni // Fi Ne Ti Se

    Knowing these 3 things, it becomes apparent that there is only 2 things you ever need to remember about any type: the first two functions (because once they are both established there is only one option for the rest of the functions).

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    In the event that you have a memory as bad as mine, you don't even need to remember those two functions because if you know what to look for they are immediately obvious in the type names/acronymns.

    For example - the Logical-Sensory Extratim.

    Step 1: look at the first word. We now know the first function of the LSE is T.

    Step 2: check whether they are an overall Intratim or Extratim. The Extratim has an extraverted 1st function so we have Te.

    Knowing only one function tells you a lot about the rest of their psyche. Knowing Te, we also know:

    Te ?i Fe ?i // Fi ?e Ti ?e

    Step 3: the second word fills in the gaps. It also tells you the PoLR and the Hidden Agenda.

    Te Se Fe Ni etc....

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    Any questions?

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    Or you can do it this way:

    1. Memorize the dominant and auxillary functions of each type
    (ex: ENTp= NeTi, ENFp=NeFi, ISFp=SiFe,ISTp=SiTe)

    2. Then, memorize which extroverted functions correspond to which introverted functions.

    Ne = Si
    Ni = Se
    Si = Ne
    Se = Ni

    Te = Fi
    Ti = Fe
    Fi = Te
    Fe = Ti

    3. Next, put the two together, and you should have the Ego and Super-ID blocks.

    [ex: ENTp = (Ego=NeTi,Super-Id=SiFe) ENFp = (Ego=NeFi,Super-Id=SiTe)]

    4. To get the Id and Super-EGo blocks, just inverse how you derived the Ego and Super-EGO blocks into extroverted and introverted equivalents.

    [ex: ENTp = (Id=NiTe,Super-Ego=SeFi) ENFp = (Id=NiFe,Super-Ego=SeTi)]]

    5. Now, you should be able to build a model for every type from the 1st function to the 8th function with little difficulty ...

    ENTp = Ne,Ti,Se,Fi,Si,Fe,Ni,Te

    ENFp = Ne,Fi,Se,Ti,Si,Te,Ni,Fe

    ISFp = Si,Fe,Ni,Te,Ne,Ti,Se,Fi

    ISTp = Si,Te,Ni,Fe,Se,Fi,Se,Ti

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    Quote Originally Posted by ILENTp
    You only need to memorize an algorithm (i.e. HA=opposite of creative), not all these specifics. I thought you called yourself N.
    Me or Ishy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ILENTp
    You, she was talking algorithms. ("#1 Introverted and extroverted functions alternate. )
    Mine is also an algorithm, just somewhat shorter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ILENTp
    Quote Originally Posted by rmcnew
    1. Memorize the dominant and auxillary functions of each type
    (ex: ENTp= NeTi, ENFp=NeFi, ISFp=SiFe,ISTp=SiTe)
    This is not an algorithm^.
    Correct, those are the variables that get plugged into the algorithm ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ILENTp
    There is no point is memorizing functions. You memorize the system once and you don't have to memorize how functions relate to each other.

    This is like memorizing 1pm=13.00, 2pm=14.00, 3pm=15.00, instead of just memorising (Time)pm+12=Zulu-time or whatever the hell you people call it.
    In that case, I will simplify it for you ...

    NTp = [Intuition/Thinking]
    NFp = [Intuition/Feeling]
    STp = [Sensing/Thinking]
    SFp = [Sensing/Feeling]

    NTj = [Thinking/Intuition]
    NFj = [Feeling/Intuition]
    STj = [Thinking/Sensing]
    SFj = [Feeling/Sensing]

    Just remember that an extrovert has an extroverted first function and an introverted second function, and an introvert has an introverted first function and an extroverted second function.

    A monkey could remember this ...

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    My whole idea, of course, was to emphasise the fact that charts are not necessary. Charts imply memorisation, all you really need is an understanding of how the Model A is constructed and how to find the information you need to fill it in.

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    Also to encourage use of Socionics names instead of MBTI

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    Good Ishy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmcnew
    Good Ishy!
    very good Ishy
    ...


    somewhat
    Pre-2013 post are written with incomplete understanding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UDP
    Quote Originally Posted by rmcnew
    Good Ishy!
    very good Ishy
    ...


    somewhat
    Oh?

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    Don't "oh?" me
    Pre-2013 post are written with incomplete understanding.

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    "Oh?" = elaborate please. You need to tell me what "somewhat" is really saying

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    I think if I said anything nice right now, that it would be far too out of character for some. Rapid changes may throw the forum into disarray...
    Pre-2013 post are written with incomplete understanding.

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