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    Okay, I promise to leave after this thread on a book I've always been curious about. Please tell me at least a few of you have read it:

    Jean Valjean - LSI
    Javert - EIE
    Fantine - IEI
    Marius - IEE
    Cossette - SEI
    Enjolras - EIE
    Montparnasse - SLE
    Eponine - SLE
    Bishop Myriel - EII
    Thenardier - LIE
    Madame Thenardier - ESI
    Gavroche - SEE
    Grantaire - LSI
    "How could we forget those ancient myths that stand at the beginning of all races, the myths about dragons that at the last moment are transformed into princesses? Perhaps all the dragons in our lives are princesses who are only waiting to see us act, just once, with beauty and courage. Perhaps everything that frightens us is, in its deepest essence, something helpless that wants our love."
    -- Rainer Maria Rilke, Letters to a Young Poet

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    Valjean and Javert duals??
    "Language is the Rubicon that divides man from beast."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jem View Post
    Valjean and Javert duals??
    Yeah, it sounds crazy, but I think it's feasible. Javert's a strangely melodramatic piece of work: he goes completely gung-ho about denying his gypsy roots and essentially becomes a religious hoohoo. Also, what other type would throw himself into the Seine after being shown an act of kindness by a self-imposed enemy? Also it would explain his obsession with Valjean. As for Valjean, I could see ESI as well. He is a rather physical man, even into old age and seems too consistent to be irrational.
    "How could we forget those ancient myths that stand at the beginning of all races, the myths about dragons that at the last moment are transformed into princesses? Perhaps all the dragons in our lives are princesses who are only waiting to see us act, just once, with beauty and courage. Perhaps everything that frightens us is, in its deepest essence, something helpless that wants our love."
    -- Rainer Maria Rilke, Letters to a Young Poet

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    How weird is this, I just bought tickets to see this show.
    I remember my folks had this on vinyl when I was a child.

    Rather than begin excited all I can think about now is will this actors in this show do it justice the line up in the LP was superb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baby View Post
    Okay, I promise to leave after this thread on a book I've always been curious about. Please tell me at least a few of you have read it:

    Jean Valjean - LSI
    Javert - EIE
    Fantine - IEI
    Marius - IEE
    Cossette - SEI
    Enjolras - EIE
    Montparnasse - SLE
    Eponine - SLE
    Bishop Myriel - EII
    Thenardier - LIE
    Madame Thenardier - ESI
    Gavroche - SEE
    Grantaire - LSI
    This book resoonated with me deeply. Some of the most rewarding 1000 pages I've ever read. (I can only comment on the character's I remember vividly, as I read it 2004 or so.)

    I agree with you about the types of Cossette and Fantine.

    You may be right about Jean Valjean, (he's certainly an introvert.)

    I don't think there is a snowball's chance in hell, however, Javert is beta--and of all beta's, pehaps least of all EIE... From what I remember, Hugo writes him as the typical Gamma cop... No hint of Fe.

    I would say that Marius is ESFj.

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    K, so I decided to look up if anyone had already started a thread on Les Mis, and here it is...But wow! Such different typings than the ones I was considering!

    Valjean--LIE
    Javert--ILI with OCD
    Fantine--EII or ESI
    Marius--LII
    Eponine--IEE
    Thenardier--EIE
    Madame Thenardier--SLE
    Cosette--ESE
    The Bishop--ESI
    Enjolras--SEE
    Grantaire--EII

    More obscure chracters to be typed later. And a few of the above typings are subject to change. I'm going to read this book again! For the fourth time...
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    Quote Originally Posted by pianosinger View Post
    K, so I decided to look up if anyone had already started a thread on Les Mis, and here it is...But wow! Such different typings than the ones I was considering!

    Valjean--LIE
    Javert--ILI with OCD
    Fantine--EII or ESI
    Marius--LII
    Eponine--IEE
    Thenardier--EIE
    Madame Thenardier--SLE
    Cosette--ESE
    The Bishop--ESI
    Enjolras--SEE
    Grantaire--EII

    More obscure chracters to be typed later. And a few of the above typings are subject to change. I'm going to read this book again! For the fourth time...
    Okay, Bishop may be IEI, or EII...
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    If anyone were an LSI, I'd say it would be Javert.

    Aggressor? yes.

    Driven by rigid, unchanging principles? YES (he throws himself into the river when he lets Valjean go).

    IJ temperament? Yes, he's consistent, persevering, unflappable etc.


    As for Valjean, I very much get a Beta Victim vibe. EIE-Ni perhaps? EJ seems a lot better than IP. Also his improvements to the glass factory wouldn't seem very fitting for an Extraverted Logic vulnerable but could work as role.

    From experience, EIEs and LSIs can end up worst enemies given the right misunderstanding, it's quite intense.

    Bishop Myriel, a clear EII. There's no way he's not a Judicious type.

    Thenardier, seems more of an Introverted Logic creative to me and just look at how he interacts with his guests, very Extraverted Ethics in the mobilising form. ILE or SLE?

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    Victor Hugo is ESE in any list I've ever seen - ESEs are even called Hugo. So some of his characters are probably Alpha. I don't think an ESE would make his hero LIE.
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    I finished reading this book circa 2000, so I don't really remember enough to type the characters. (I'll probably order the book from the library so I can read it again.) I think I agree with a lot of the typings that have already been made.

    Jean Valjean: ESI

    Javert: LSI

    Fantine: SEE or IEI

    Cosette: ESE-Si or SEI

    Marius: LII-Ne

    Eponine: IEI

    Madame Thenardier: SLE

    Thenardier: IEI

    Enjolras: EIE

    Gavroche: SLE or ILE

    Grantaire: LSI or LIE

    Bishop Myriel: EII (Fi-INFj)

    Combeferre: ILE-Ti

    Courfeyrac: SLE

    Jean Prouvaire: IEI

    Feuilly: LSI

    Joly: LIE or EIE

    Laigle (Bossuet): SEE?

    Bahorel: Ni-ENFj (or IEI)


    Victor Hugo was definitely/probably Fe-dominant, for sure. Although ESE is the most common/popular typing for him, I think Filatova typed him EIE in her book Understanding The People Around You.
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