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    The fella who blew the shit out of Oklahoma.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh





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    He was picked on by bullies at school,[2] and took refuge in a fantasy world in which he retaliated against them; he would later come to regard the U.S. Government as the ultimate bully.
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    Reading further down the wiki page, I'm pretty sure he's ISTj.
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    delta ST
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    which one?
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    Te-ISTp most likely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    Te-ISTp most likely.
    LOL

    the Eminem subtype.
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winterpark View Post
    LOL

    the Eminem subtype.
    lol...I think eminem is actually Te-ESTj. I used to think ISTp, but he seems more controlled or something.

    but the real lol is @ all the delta ST serial killers
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    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    Te-ISTp most likely.
    i'd be more keen on your ENFp typing of me if you didn't type so many serial killers as my dual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by implied View Post
    i'd be more keen on your ENFp typing of me if you didn't type so many serial killers as my dual.
    lol...they just need some love
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    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    lol...they just need some love
    not from me!
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    Wow, it's kind of crazy how much the guy looks like Eminem (who I actually think is IEI).

    McVeigh


    Eminem




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    I have seen ENTp, ISTp and ENTj suggested for Eminem but never INFp. (or ESTj for that matter, strrrng)
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    Yep,

    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    He has always reminded me so much of my INFp dad and I could never figure out why. I would always tell people that he reminded me of my dad, and it seemed like nobody else could see the similarities. The way they express their feelings, the deep emotional temper problems, the eyes, body language and facial expressions; it's all very similar.
    Also, compare Eminem to IEI's like Garmonbozia and Strrrng,
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    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    Also, compare Eminem to IEI's like Garmonbozia and Strrrng
    Compare what? Body lotion?
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winterpark View Post
    Compare what? Body lotion?
    Whatever makes you happy.
    Quote Originally Posted by jxrtes View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    Whatever makes you happy.
    Only Steve makes me happy.
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    lol...the reason they have a resemblance is because they're both Te sub delta ST's

    and why compare marshall to me and garmon?
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    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    lol...the reason they have a resemblance is because they're both Te sub delta ST's

    and why compare marshall to me and garmon?
    I think all three of you are IEI's which display aggressive tendencies.

    Why is Eminem Te and Delta?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    I think all three of you are IEI's which display aggressive tendencies.

    Why is Eminem Te and Delta?
    I think he's just a really counter-phobic 6. He's VI's much more delta ST (hence the resemblance to mcveigh).
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    Quote Originally Posted by implied View Post
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    Te-ISTp most likely.
    i'd be more keen on your ENFp typing of me if you didn't type so many serial killers as my dual.
    lol...they just need some love
    not from me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    I think he's just a really counter-phobic 6. He's VI's much more delta ST (hence the resemblance to mcveigh).
    So you're placing you're confidence on VI and the Enneagram alone?

    I'm not sure about Mcveigh, but I feel like Eminem places a lot more empisis on Ni and Fe when it comes to his music, as he often uses the the past and his emotions as general themes. He's had a rough life and all these pent up emotions from his marriage, mother, ect. and you can really pick up his feelings rather deeply. I just feel like a Te type would have little to no interest or even be afraid to even go there. Let's not forget he's a rather turbulent man; can you really see him getting along with a bunch of Deltas for a long period of time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    I think he's just a really counter-phobic 6. He's VI's much more delta ST (hence the resemblance to mcveigh).
    I think you have serious misconceptions about what a delta ST is.

    (and the amount of people you type as "counter phobic 6" is somewhat laughable)


    I'm not sure about Mcveigh, but I feel like Eminem places a lot more empisis on Ni and Fe when it comes to his music, as he often uses the the past and his emotions as general themes. He's had a rough life and all these pent up emotions from his marriage, mother, ect. and you can really pick up his feelings rather deeply. I just feel like a Te type would have little to no interest or even be afraid to even go there.
    Exactly. Not really something a delta ST would enjoy dwelling in
    Nor is whining about how hard your life is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starfall View Post
    So you're placing you're confidence on VI and the Enneagram alone?
    No. I've observed him for a bit, and I don't think he's a beta NF. Just in his demeanor and general thought patterns

    I'm not sure about Mcveigh, but I feel like Eminem places a lot more empisis on Ni and Fe when it comes to his music, as he often uses the the past and his emotions as general themes. He's had a rough life and all these pent up emotions from his marriage, mother, ect. and you can really pick up his feelings rather deeply. I just feel like a Te type would have little to no interest or even be afraid to even go there. Let's not forget he's a rather turbulent man; can you really see him getting along with a bunch of Deltas for a long period of time?
    Yeah, he uses emotions, just like 99% of rappers. And just because he has some childhood mommy fixation, doesn't mean he's using "Ni" to see into the past or whatever. He seems to favor the more self-contained Fi method of processing things, but I really don't feel like getting into a debate about this, so I can't offer much more. And he's turbulent just because he's a badass mofo from the ghetto; passion doesn't have to be beta.

    Quote Originally Posted by UDP
    I think you have serious misconceptions about what a delta ST is.
    Are you serious? This coming from the guy who has an erroneous self-typing of ESTj. Give me a fucking break.

    (and the amount of people you type as "counter phobic 6" is somewhat laughable)
    It's not my fault they're everywhere.

    Exactly. Not really something a delta ST would enjoy dwelling in
    Nor is whining about how hard your life is.
    Right. Because they're all such pragmatic hard-workers like yourself.
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    Ok, I'll respect that you don't want to get into a debate. I'll just add that a lot of other rappers will rap about money, cars, ballin', woman, sex, ect. these are themes I just don't see in Eminem's music which makes him different. Of course all music is going to portray some kind of emotion but his emotion is intense and I don't really see him as even caring about the themes that most rappers are big on (their themes actually suggest more use of Te than his imo). Eminem just seems to be stuck on his own 'inner world' and himself in general. He's a rather angsty guy and his thought patterns are quite like my own in a lot of aspects.
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    There was a really hot gay porno out called 'Oklahomo' in circa 1998.

    What does that have to do with anything, you ask. I don't know, I just remember that.

    I agree that Eminem is stuck in his inner worlds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    Are you serious? This coming from the guy who has an erroneous self-typing of ESTj. Give me a fucking break.
    This coming from the whiny bitch who constantly runs his mouth any time he gets the chance to talk about my type, saying the reason I do anything is "Ti". Once you stop trying to make such a big deal about your opinion, and most of all, stop trying to make me "look bad" because disagree with me, maybe your opinion will mean something.

    You don't know what a delta ST is, nor do you understand what an LII is, for that matter.
    How many other "Ne-LIIs" give you so much shit here on the forum?
    (Last time I checked, by the way, you typed almost every LII on here as a "6w5". Just about every person you could think of who fit under LII)

    You're a strange mix of insight and convolution fueled by emotional thinking, and you show almost no difference when you go between the two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UDP View Post
    This coming from the whiny bitch who constantly runs his mouth any time he gets the chance to talk about my type, saying the reason I do anything is "Ti". Once you stop trying to make such a big deal about your opinion, and most of all, stop trying to make me "look bad" because disagree with me, maybe your opinion will mean something.
    lol, you're the only person who says my opinion on your type means nothing, but judging from your response here, it obviously does And the fact that I express it in a mocking tone does not detract from the accuracy of it. You're just Ti-valuing, and it's obvious to me. Just because you've memorized a bunch of rules about what a delta ST is in your Ti manual, doesn't suddenly make you one. Stop lashing out at the ones who see through you.

    You don't know what a delta ST is, nor do you understand what an LII is, for that matter.
    How many other "Ne-LIIs" give you so much shit here on the forum?
    (Last time I checked, by the way, you typed almost every LII on here as a "6w5". Just about every person you could think of who fit under LII)
    Actually, I understand both types. And I don't recall many other Ne-INTj's giving me shit on the forum. So? The reason you "give me shit" (which I perceive as contrived jabs) is because a)you're trying to prove how you dislike INFp's to buttress your self-typing, or b)I make fun of you for your erroneous self-typing and you react. Doesn't prove shit.

    And check my wiki userlist. I have 3 Ne-INTjs from this forum, none of which are 6's, and two celebrities, who are 6's (simon cowell could be 5w6 or 1w9...have to look back into it).

    You're a strange mix of insight and convolution fueled by emotional thinking, and you show almost no difference when you go between the two.
    Maybe you just mistake my emotional tones for emotional thinking and miss what I'm really saying
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    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    And the fact that I express it in a mocking tone does not detract from the accuracy of it. You're just Ti-valuing, and it's obvious to me. Just because you've memorized a bunch of rules about what a delta ST is in your Ti manual, doesn't suddenly make you one. Stop lashing out at the ones who see through you.
    When people reduce their understanding of you to claiming you "memorize a bunch of rules" about a type, it's no surprise that I disagree with you. I'll disagree (which you label here as lashing out) out at whoever I like, especially if they are acting like a punk - and especially if your are openly being mocking.

    Maybe you just mistake my emotional tones for emotional thinking and miss what I'm really saying
    You take any thing that comes up and funnel it back to your propaganda about me being valuing, because you "just know it", and think if you pout, make sarcastic remarks, or use social appeal/flare, that it will seem convincing.

    It's what you say here:
    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    And I can also be a moody asshole, so I might behave in a way to purposely be confronted. Like, if there's a problem, get all brooding and make subtly derisive comments, hoping the person will tell me to shut the fuck up. Then the fun begins
    That's all I see you as doing. You seem to be disagreeing with me more for your own fun and stirring up shit rather than actually considering anything about me. It's just fun to you. And yes, while I realize it's only "fun and games" to you, these posts are more directed at other people. I know there won't be any change in your opinio, so I express this to other people, wondering if I ever disagree with what Strrrng says.

    Carry on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UDP View Post
    When people reduce their understanding of you to claiming you "memorize a bunch of rules" about a type, it's no surprise that I disagree with you. I'll disagree (which you label here as lashing out) out at whoever I like, especially if they are acting like a punk - and especially if your are openly being mocking.
    That isn't my only understanding of you. I've observed you for months (and back at introspectives). Sorry I don't care enough to go into discourses on your type.

    You take any thing that comes up and funnel it back to your propaganda about me being valuing, because you "just know it", and think if you pout, make sarcastic remarks, or use social appeal/flare, that it will seem convincing.
    I do know it. And a lot of what you do represents a Ti preference, so there's no reason why I shouldn't point it out.

    It's what you say here:
    Bullshit. That was in reference to relationships, not forum debates. And if it was about a forum debate, I wouldn't be a "moody bastard to be put in my place," but rather, confrontational to gauge people, because the ones that see through the immediate aggression and argue without vexation are the ones that matter to me. songsofsappho did it recently, it was like a god-send. But, I guess you're just another person who fell for my front. shrug.

    That's all I see you as doing. You seem to be disagreeing with me more for your own fun and stirring up shit rather than actually considering anything about me. It's just fun to you. And yes, while I realize it's only "fun and games" to you, these posts are more directed at other people. I know there won't be any change in your opinio, so I express this to other people, wondering if I ever disagree with what Strrrng says.

    Carry on.
    It's not always for fun; I believe everything I say about your type. It just happens to be fun because of how satirical your case is or something. The contrast between your self-perception and actual actions is comical at times. I guess at this point it's just fun, because you don't really consider anyone's opinions on your type seriously. And why are you expressing this to other people?
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    ILI for mcveigh. eminem is not delta st.

    delta sts: john fucking madden. get real whoever is out there. delta st is almost completely harmless, probably among the most harmless types.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winterpark View Post
    I have seen ENTp, ISTp and ENTj suggested for Eminem but never INFp. (or ESTj for that matter, strrrng)
    I think Starfall is closer to the mark.

    Quote Originally Posted by heath View Post
    ILI for mcveigh. eminem is not delta st.

    delta sts: john fucking madden. get real whoever is out there. delta st is almost completely harmless, probably among the most harmless types.
    More understandable.
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    For McVeigh, I think a disturbed Beta NF is possible. The wiki article in several instances mentions that he "expressed his rage" for something or other. A fascination with guns reminds me of a LSI I know.

    I am thinking that he could be extraverted (willingly moved around a lot, was very active in pursuing his interests), but that could be just attributed to his unstableness. Compare McVeigh's travels across the country's gun shows with Ted Kaczynski's (The Unabomber), who stayed in a cabin in The Middle of Nowhere, Montana, manufacturing bombs.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Kaczynski

    As for Eminem, absolutely Beta, probably NF. This is obvious if you look at who he constantly interacts with, the content of his songs, and the way he rose to the top. I remember one article described him as manipulating and even purposefully worsening his own public image and reputation; his songs make fun of and hype up many of the negative points of his own life.

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    ISTj or INTp most likely from what i can remember of him.
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    eminem- ENTj or INTp
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    Man, we really accomplish a whole lot in these typing threads.

    Timothy McVeigh does look Te-ISTp to me by VI. I guess Te-INTp could be a remote possibility, but a lot of things about him just scream Delta to me.

    Emimem is Te-ESTj; compare Eminem to Rob Thomas (similar look) or Bobby Knight (similar demeanor and attitude). They are all Te-ESTj cp6w7s.

    UDP is not ESTj. Nothing about him is remotely ESTj. No one believes he is ESTj. I don't even know why he thinks he is ESTj.

    Kensi types anyone that shows any aggression as gamma or maybe beta.

    Let's keep arguing. We're really getting somewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JRiddy View Post
    Man, we really accomplish a whole lot in these typing threads.

    Timothy McVeigh does look Te-ISTp to me by VI. I guess Te-INTp could be a remote possibility, but a lot of things about him just scream Delta to me.

    Emimem is Te-ESTj; compare Eminem to Rob Thomas (similar look) or Bobby Knight (similar demeanor and attitude). They are all Te-ESTj cp6w7s
    I agree. We get little done in these type threads. Mostly because people use VI and seem to forget there is a whole theory to socionics types that goes against what they are saying.

    Eminem is very conscious of his image and purposefully manipulates it. LSEs do not and honestly cannot do that. He rose to the top in a heavily Se industry where he stood out as right-off-the-bat defective. He used emotionality and apparent mental instability to get people to notice him. If you've ever listened to his songs or watched any of his music videos, his strong Ne is apparent but also completely random and often without strict logical flow from one thought to the next. His complete denouncement of all "political correctness" is standard ignoring Fi. The fact that, in real life, he actually is not as much of a badass as he makes himself out to be in his songs points away from Se-ego.

    McVeigh is tentative. No one expects him to be brimming and smiling. That the overwhelming majority of mass murderers in history have come from Beta makes me doubt McVeigh as being from Delta.
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    I thought Timothy Mcveigh was still alive, lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZTCrawcrustle View Post
    I agree. We get little done in these type threads. Mostly because people use VI and seem to forget there is a whole theory to socionics types that goes against what they are saying.

    Eminem is very conscious of his image and purposefully manipulates it. LSEs do not and honestly cannot do that. He rose to the top in a heavily Se industry where he stood out as right-off-the-bat defective. He used emotionality and apparent mental instability to get people to notice him. If you've ever listened to his songs or watched any of his music videos, his strong Ne is apparent but also completely random and often without strict logical flow from one thought to the next. His complete denouncement of all "political correctness" is standard ignoring Fi. The fact that, in real life, he actually is not as much of a badass as he makes himself out to be in his songs points away from Se-ego.
    I agree with most everything here.
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