Examples?
Examples of ISTj and ESTp philosophers?
Examples?
Bah!
is like a wet kiss on the cheek and a warm hug by a cute smiling girl.
is the confetti shots on your birthday party with all your friends.
is a way to completely rip apart the face of god and stare directly at the naked universe.
is like over here and then over there and they are all connected and I am on amphetamine.
Ayn Rand.
Although I vaguely remember something about her decrying philosophy—at least its normal form—in a way. But doing so was just a part of her philosophy (which I found to be sub-par).
Ragnar Redbeard
...the human race will disappear. Other races will appear and disappear in turn. The sky will become icy and void, pierced by the feeble light of half-dead stars. Which will also disappear. Everything will disappear. And what human beings do is just as free of sense as the free motion of elementary particles. Good, evil, morality, feelings? Pure 'Victorian fictions'.
INTp
Pretty sure of it. The nature of her philosophy itself, and the way she presented it seem pretty Se + Ti. VI's like one as well.Originally Posted by songofsappho
Beta ST?
That's interesting. I don't claim to know her type, but I would have said Alpha NT.
My initial impression was INTj, mainly for superficial reasons. I don't think constructing some theoretical model or whatever is intrinsic to alpha NT's, but the nature of it definitely is. Hers had little margin for alternatives, and was more of pragmatic tool than anything else.
It would have been pragmatic had she put it into place, but she didn't; she wrote a bunch of novels and books on philosophy. I would expect a Beta ST to be out doing something to put their ideas into practics, not spending decades writing [spectacular] books about them.
You don't think she practiced it in her own life, with an immediate group of associates? I believe she said so herself (in an interview with playboy lol). And writing books is a way of implementing it; it's a tangible manifestation of the ideas which can be dispersed, to further facilitate the cycle of learning and applying in others. Not all beta ST's have to be ostriches.
Osamu Dazai might qualify as a Beta philosopher. He was a novelist/short story kind of guy, though I think probably EIE > IEI.
"I swear, by my life and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine."
Se?
"What is love?"
"The total absence of fear," said the Master.
"What is it we fear?"
"Love," said the Master.
I chose Love
Why Se?
If anything I could see that being anti-Se, because she [John Galt?] has no interest in influencing others nor in being influenced by others - she just wants to be left alone to be independently successful or not.
Haha, then you haven't read anything she's written.
Paedo.
Ahaha
Difference between me and him: he probably means it, hence the PM.
Um, okay. Well said, Ezra.
Hobbes = the man.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
I don't think Se WANTS to influence. I think Se just wants things done... Se likes to lead... but is not necessarily DESIRE to influence.
"What is love?"
"The total absence of fear," said the Master.
"What is it we fear?"
"Love," said the Master.
I chose Love
Hobbes = everything bad about a Six.
Skinner's book Walden Two became the basis upon which several US communes were formed in the 60s. Almost every single one of them failed, usually in a short time, and the few that survived had to modify, modify, modify. I read the book, and it's an interesting grab-bag of pragmatic details pasted onto an extremely idealistic opinion that humans can all get along perfectly if they merely state it as a desire. Like a cult without a religion for an excuse.
One of the surviving communes is Twin Oaks in Virginia. I've visited it several times, and finally concluded I could not live there long-term. I admire the people who live there because they put a lot of effort both into knowing themselves and to working out their differences in order to keep the community from collapsing ... but it's still a bunch of humans, and the petty politics is much harder to ignore than in mainstream society. I remember one of the members telling me that almost none of the original tenets that the community founders took from Skinner are still observed.
SLI
Ol' Dirty Bastard
Richard Nixon
Bear Grylls
Lou Reed
JRiddy
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Ne-ENTp 7w8 sx/so
Wasn't Nixon ESI?
Surtout, pas trop de zèle.
I have him down as Ti-ESTp. Although I can certainly understand a Gamma SF typing, but I think his fairly "serious" demeanor is more dramatic and a feature of his controlled presentation than a casually and comfortably "serious" ISFj. Some of his famous speeches, like the "Checkers" speech, really exhibit him playing with Fe in a kinda of calculated way like I would expect from a beta ST.
JRiddy
—————King of Socionics—————
Ne-ENTp 7w8 sx/so
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