Cesar Millan (The Dog Whisperer)

[Elro]

[dbmmama]

i remember another thread where many said SLE.

[Joy]

In a past discussion some people said LSI, which probably makes sense.

[dbmmama]

In a past discussion some people said LSI, which probably makes sense.

echo, echo, echo...

[Elro]

In a past discussion some people said LSI, which probably makes sense.

I'm inclined to agree.

[1981slater]

I think he's an ESTj, isn't working with dogs related to caregiver types after all?

[Joy]

I think he's an ESTj, isn't working with dogs related to caregiver types after all?

Have you ever seen the show?

It's 100% about recognizing the hierarchy that exists and establishing yourself in a dominant position.

[Joy]

(Interestingly, however, I read once that Will Smith helped him become popular and learn English. )

[crazedrat]

he's SLE-Ti
It's obvious..
Haven't you ever met one?

[07490]

Not an expert on BETA ST but i would go for ESTp-TI only because I can tell there is FE hidden agenda in him, and its very weak in him and he tries to produce it as much as possible. I dont see NI hidden agenda because most of what he say is all repeated, most istj i know tries to be overly intellectuals and to understand the overall picture of a situation. I dont think he can hold back things he say, SE>Ti but then this guy has alot of TI in him.

[Elro]

Why EP?

[Jarno]

I used to guess that he was ISFp, but nowadays I'm quite confident that he's SEE.

What do you guys think?

[717495]

ESFj

[marooned]

I had thought he was SLE, but ESE might be a good suggestion, and I hadn't considered it.

[CILi]

I used to guess that he was ISFp, but nowadays I'm quite confident that he's SEE.

(Based just on the show,) I'm quite confident you're right.

"Real" Cesar might be completely different, for all I know; but his character seems hugely SEE.

Today's Sig

Really?

[717495]

How is he Se dominant?? He seems super rational, and I can feel my PoLR darting out every time he talks and tries to be proper with people and come off like a nice guy through correct emotions. Totally Fe. Fi egos are much more casual, sentimentally open / connection bound, and less aware of their influence on people.

[Jarno]

and I can feel my PoLR darting out every time he talks and tries to be proper and come off like a nice guy.

Just for the record...which IM is you PoLR now and which IM was it when you watched the show?

[717495]

Only you know my real PoLR, Jarno. Unless you're the one who's been mistyped for years, hmm. You do think I'm an extrovert for whatever reason, and also think PoLR is unconscious, so not sure we'd have any luck agreeing on anything here.

Also, you think this guy is irrational? That's laughable.

[CILi]

How is he Se dominant??

I think the way he communicates with people, with dogs, with anyone comes across Se-something.

"This is how things are, this is how things are gonna be, and it might not feel good, but you're gonna do it anyway, and things'll get better, but you've gotta do everything I say and exactly how I say it. Okay? Okay?! ...Good."

Might not be a direct quote, but just the vibe he gives.

The clip you posted really does show him in a different light though, so maybe I oughta catch up on his newer stuff.

[717495]

I tend to see ESFjs more like that than ESFps, you know, firm and unrelenting. It's EJ related. Se dominants by comparison are loose, casual, spontaneous, like Brad Pitt, Gordon Ramsay, Jim Carrey, two of which are ESFps.

[Jenna]

Only you know my real PoLR, Jarno. Unless you're the one who's been mistyped for years, hmm. You do think I'm an extrovert for whatever reason, and also think PoLR is unconscious, so not sure we'd have any luck agreeing on anything here.

Also, you think this guy is irrational? That's laughable.

Well "dual" I agree, he's definitely rational.
I have a hard time seeing ESE though

Besides since I have been around poli has at least been kind of similar types
He seems to fluctuate between INTp, ISTp and ENTp
So that is 2 Fe PoLRs and one Fi PoLR

[Jenna]

is LSI possible? why do you say ESE in particular?

[Jarno]

Only reason I'm not open to Jarno is because he thinks in order for me to be ENTp I have to be expressive and gregarious

No I don't think so. ENTp-Ti aren't that expressive at all.

[Marie84]

LSI. He really does have the best haircut.

Yep. I bought his book Ceasear's Way years ago and I got a really strong + feeling from it; this was prior to knowing anything about Socionics but nonetheless I was very off put by his methods and attitudes.
Not to say that they're not effective, but I'm uncomfortable using that sort of strict disciplinary fear tactics on anyone, even a dog.

[Creepy-Korpsey]

Not to say that they're not effective, but I'm uncomfortable using that sort of strict disciplinary fear tactics on anyone, even a dog.

Though I haven't read his book and have only watched the show twice, what I've seen so far has all been common sense to anyone experienced with properly raising dogs.

Canines are social, pack animals and so they naturally expect to live within a pecking order. Obedience training instills a sense of place in a dog and informs it of its behavioral boundaries. If an owner fails to train a dog then it will assert control over him or her, not to mention present a liability to other animals, people, and property. Problem dogs are produced by lazy owners. Being a strict disciplinarian simply means being firm and consistent in the establishment and enforcement of household rules; it doesn't mean causing injury, fear, or pain. The same applies to the way obedience training is carried out. By being assertive you gain the dog's attention; by being dominant you gain the dog's respect; by being consistent you clearly convey to the dog what's expected of it. No terror tactics are required and in fact resorting to them is highly counter-productive. With proper exercise and nutrition a disciplined dog is happy, responsive, and respectful.

So, as far as Cesar Milan's type, I'd say "good dog trainer".

[Marie84]

Though I haven't read his book and have only watched the show twice, what I've seen so far has all been common sense to anyone experienced with properly raising dogs.

Canines are social, pack animals and so they naturally expect to live within a pecking order. Obedience training instills a sense of place in a dog and informs it of its behavioral boundaries. If an owner fails to train a dog then it will assert control over him or her, not to mention present a liability to other animals, people, and property. Problem dogs are produced by lazy owners. Being a strict disciplinarian simply means being firm and consistent in the establishment and enforcement of household rules; it doesn't mean causing injury, fear, or pain. The same applies to the way obedience training is carried out. By being assertive you gain the dog's attention; by being dominant you gain the dog's respect; by being consistent you clearly convey to the dog what's expected of it. No terror tactics are required and in fact resorting to them is highly counter-productive. With proper exercise and nutrition a disciplined dog is happy, responsive, and respectful.

So, as far as Cesar Milan's type, I'd say "good dog trainer".

Don't get me wrong, I agree that he's good at what he does and his methods are probably very effective, it's just that I have difficulties being able to apply them and do so confidently and consistently to actually have any affect.
When I was growing up my parents used to foster abandoned and abused dogs at our house and I didn't have any difficulties with them, probably because they were more responsive to a more gentler, nurturing, approach in comparison to what they've been though, but that was an inappropriate method to use on my (current) dog who my parents bought for me years ago as a gift, since all that did was essentially "spoil" him and thus make him less obedient.
So yeah, I blame myself and agree that if I had acted like Ceasar recommended it would have been more beneficial, but that's a weakness on my character in this instance, not necessarily his

[Creepy-Korpsey]

Marie84, in that case I'd recommend a class so you can get your pooch enlightened in a structured environment where you'll also receive positive feedback.

[wacey]

Have been following him for years. His explanatory style is Ti. Not Fe producing, although he heavily seeks for it in the environment. An Se ego - protypical imo.

LSI- Se, or SLE -Ti

[marooned]

i can't believe i said sle before. he is clearly rational. i have seen him as LSI for a while now.

[wacey]

I agree, that's why I said LSI-Se first, with the more rational subtype SLE as second. High rationality looks apparent even in photos. (as much credo that I give VI....)

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[marooned]

sorry wacey, i wasn't responding to your post really. i thought you were right in spotting ti/beta st was all

[wacey]

sorry wacey, i wasn't responding to your post really. i thought you were right in spotting ti/beta st was all

All good, never thought anything of it, I was just adding to our conversation.

[Resonare]

LSI-Se.

[Jarno]

i'm not sure what i posted before, but my opinion is he's an SEE-Fi

[yeves]

he has more presence and solidity than an introvert, SEE-SLE

[golden]

He seems incredibly externally oriented for an LSI. I have always thought he might be SEE or SLE.

[silke]

Watched a couple of episodes with him and Se-SLE is what I'd go with. Feeling some duality vibzez. His enneagram mix is not so common for a SLE, however - 9w1. The remainder of the videos, particularly how he was using his body to move into the dogs' space to subdue them and get the required response, felt rather Se base.

updated: SLE-Se sp/so 9w1, the dog in this video is ESI-Fi sx/so so no wonder she's acting kinda unsure and lost, and not really submissive to him

[wacey]

Watched a couple of episodes with him and Se-SLE is what I'd go with. Feeling some duality vibzez. His enneagram mix is not so common for a SLE, however - 9w1. The remainder of the videos, particularly how he was using his body to move into the dogs' space to subdue them and get the required response, felt rather Se base.

[maniac]

EIE

[golden]

Still inclined to see him as Se dominant > Se creative based on the shows. I wouldn't gauge by his book because he had a co-writer whom I'm familiar with and who had to have shaped the whole thing radically.

I don't see EIE being as adept as Millan at drawing so many conclusions about power based on body language. I pay super close attention to body language, but I am evaluating emotional interactions, to some extent power plays but these generally in the form of psychological or emotional manipulations.