King, Warrior, Magician, Lover

[kensi]

How i got started in Socionics without even knowing it a long, long, long time ago (at least in part)

King, Warrior, Magician, Lover: Rediscovering the Archetypes of the Mature Masculine by Robert Moore and Douglas Gillette..........

In a broad sense and in no particular order.....

King= Delta..............SiTe influence??
Warrior= Beta..............FeNi influence??
Magician= Alpha..............NeTi influence??
Lover= Gamma..............SeFi influence??

[1981slater]

In my opinion, there is a better relationship between these 'jobs' and their socionics counterpart, which is:

King NT
Warrior ST
Magician NF
Lover SF

[1981slater]

But don't forget we are in 2008 so...

King --> CEO
Warrior --> Construction worker
Magician --> Druggy
Lover --> Lover

...


Football --> Soccer
USSR --> Russia
Black --> African American
To fuck --> To get laid
Crisis --> Recession

[thePirate]

bump.

[Creepy-male]

But don't forget we are in 2008 so...

King --> CEO
Warrior --> Construction worker
Magician --> Druggy
Lover --> Lover

Lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

Thats exactly what I was thinking... but why does the lover get to be the lover?

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

I'm King and Lover. Medium on the Mage part. Not much Warrior.

I'd say, mostly King. Equal Lover/Mage. And least Warrior for me.

Warrior achetype balances me (Buffy, heroes, leaders that are virtuous, paladins, estps, guardians of humanity)

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

King - Hybrid/Shaman
Warrior - Tank
Magician - DPS/Damage
Lover - Healer

;p

[Brilliand]

At first glance this seems to me like a Beta system...

King: LSI
Warrior: SLE
Magician: EIE
Lover: IEI

(could maybe switch one or both mirror pairs)

After a bit more thought, I can read it every which-a-way...maybe we need to know what the author said about them.

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

You can do that for every type in the quadra, most likely

[Brilliand]

King: LII
Warrior: ESI
Magician: ILE
Lover: SEE

King: LSE
Warrior: SEE
Magician: IEE
Lover: SEI

King: SLE
Warrior: LSI
Magician: ILI
Lover: ESE

[Creepy-male]

At first glance this seems to me like a Beta system...

King: LSI
Warrior: SLE
Magician: EIE
Lover: IEI

(could maybe switch one or both mirror pairs)

After a bit more thought, I can read it every which-a-way...maybe we need to know what the author said about them.

That seems right.... I wonder what the theoretical implications of this are... maybe you can break this down into its elements and divine something about how this works with jungian functions and model A.

How do they define quadras for example? I could probably attempt this question if I knew how they organized quadras.

[Creepy-male]

I'm King and Lover. Medium on the Mage part. Not much Warrior.

I'd say, mostly King. Equal Lover/Mage. And least Warrior for me.

Warrior achetype balances me (Buffy, heroes, leaders that are virtuous, paladins, estps, guardians of humanity)

Hmm I always thought Magician was more like a Shaman because of its Mystical/Spiritual side. I agree you're not much of a warrior and you seem like a lover... the king part though , but maybe thats because you're mixing king and lover so your thinking of king in a more "jesus" like sense.

I view Kings as being the leaders, strong willed with their agendas, focused on decisions, idealize justice/harmony

I view Warriors as being the doers, strong willed with their actions, focused on results, idealize courage/strength

(Kings bond with warrios because kings need warriors to carry out their decisions and wills, and warriors need kings with a common cause to serve)

I view Magicians as being the mystics, strong insight, focused on the true nature of things, idealize truth/meaning

I view Lovers as being well lovers, having hearts of gold and idealizing beauty/love/peace

[Brilliand]

King:
Warrior:
Magician:
Lover:

That doesn't seem too bad.

[Krig the Viking]

Descriptions from what appears to be the official site: KWML Personality Test, Compatibility Test - King, Warrior, Magician or Lover

Protective, orderly, and wise, Kings and Queens are disciplined leaders and excellent advisors who like to make and play by the rules. While they prefer to oversee and issue commands without necessarily being the ones to carry them out, they're also very compassionate and nurturing—sometimes to a fault of being passive. Lovers of learning characterized by wisdom, Kings and Queens enjoy giving advice and others often seek it from them.

At their best within the confines of their own "castle," Kings and Queens prefer that which is safe, secure, and known. No surprise then that they're most comfortable interacting one-on-one with those they love or want to know better, and that their confidence looses steam in new situations.

Confident, competitive, and analytical, Warriors are fierce and steady protectors of their friends, family, and all things they hold dear. They are extremely ambitious, targeted, and determined—almost to a fault of being self-centered—and are an undeniable force of industriousness.

While Warriors are logical, orderly, and respect the rules like Kings and Queens, they're much more assertive and always ready to dive into action or conflict. Because they prefer to be somewhat isolated, they tend to have few very good friends, but these friends definitely count on the Warrior whenever there's a task to be done with precision.

Creative, adventurous, and energetic, Magicians are the life of the party and people are naturally drawn to their spirit and confidence. They often inspire awe with their magical ability to multitask and exercise "street smarts." Not only do they dream big, Magicians actually make those dreams happen. Because they're naturals at making things happen that would seem impossible to most others, Magicians do especially well in performance and sales roles.

While Magicians are full of emotional confidence like the Warrior, they're much more outgoing and outlandish, which often puts them at the center of celebration and spectacle.

Creative, intuitive, and deeply caring, Lover's minds and spirits are open and capable of expressing deep meaning in the world. They represent the artists and idealists of society—the romantics, the insightful poets and writers, the musicians and painters, the fools who make us laugh with joy—and their gifts of art and mystery resonate powerfully.

While nurturing like Kings and Queens, and artistic like Magicians, Lovers sometimes lack the ability to speak up and stand their ground, and have a tendency to be passive and introverted.

Based on those descriptions, I would say

King = NT
Warrior = ST
Magician = SF
Lover = NF

Not an exact match, but it seems pretty close. I would say the descriptions seem more focused on Alpha/Beta.

I took the quiz and came back with King, which I am more than happy with.

[Brilliand]

Descriptions from what appears to be the official site: KWML Personality Test, Compatibility Test - King, Warrior, Magician or Lover









Based on those descriptions, I would say

King = NT
Warrior = ST
Magician = SF
Lover = NF

Not an exact match, but it seems pretty close. I would say the descriptions seem more focused on Alpha/Beta.

I took the quiz and came back with King, which I am more than happy with.

LII, LSI (actually maybe SLE would be better), ESE and IEI came to mind when reading those, so the clubs interpretation makes sense, and maybe a bit closer to Beta.

[Krig the Viking]

LII, LSI (actually maybe SLE would be better), ESE and IEI came to mind when reading those, so the clubs interpretation makes sense, and maybe a bit closer to Beta.

My thoughts exactly.

[Creepy-male]

Descriptions from what appears to be the official site: KWML Personality Test, Compatibility Test - King, Warrior, Magician or Lover

Lol I can see myself with as a little of each, but if I was pigeon holed to choosing one I'd say king... but really all of them fit well to some degree.

[Krig the Viking]

Lol I can see myself with as a little of each, but if I was pigeon holed to choosing one I'd say king... but really all of them fit well to some degree.

Did you try taking the test at the website? You have to give them your e-mail address, but I just gave them my spam-bait address. They'll never know!

[Creepy-male]

Interesting.

Your personality is dominated by two related KWML temperaments.
Your complete personality profile can be described as 38.5% King/Queen, 38.5% Lover, 15.4% Warrior, and 7.7% Magician. Percentages may not add up due to rounding.

Lover sounds Intuitive. King/Queen seems like a hodge-podge; mixes of Ne, rationality. Warrior seems Logical, Sensing. Magician sounds Extraverted and Ethical.

I'm slightly tentative to try and start linking this to socionics, since the internal structure of the KWML on its own seems a bit... iffy? Like, using left/right brain against motherly/fatherly (and I think their definitions on that last one are a bit loose too). And I really wanna judge it as stupid, because they're trying to consider complementarity based on too-rigid models (like, I have the advisor/Grandma Gul thing going for King, not so much the "need for security and certainty". Being around someone a bit looser on that regard I could see as being fun/helpful (or equally grating and frustrating), but that's not even applicable for me!)

[Creepy-male]

Did you try taking the test at the website? You have to give them your e-mail address, but I just gave them my spam-bait address. They'll never know!

Yes I did, and I got king also... and I also gave them a spam-bait address, it must be because we both are kings... or maybe not.

Regardless there isn't much info on this typology, I've heard of archtype psychology before and its interesting but no one ever writes on it, and when they do its always very fanciful and not grounded.

[Gilly]

I'm part King part Magician.

[Brilliand]

Yes I did, and I got king also... and I also gave them a spam-bait address, it must be because we both are kings... or maybe not.

Regardless there isn't much info on this typology, I've heard of archtype psychology before and its interesting but no one ever writes on it, and when they do its always very fanciful and not grounded.

I actually think that every LII is going to come out as King.

[Creepy-male]

I actually think that every LII is going to come out as King.

Well, yes, that's option nr 2. Take a poll of socionics type/KWML type.

[Gilly]

Test says I'm a warrior...I call BS?

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

I agree you're not much of a warrior and you seem like a lover... the king part though , but maybe thats because you're mixing king and lover so your thinking of king in a more "jesus" like sense.

In real life I'm more King like, then even Lover.

[Creepy-male]

In real life I'm more King like, then even Lover.

k well you know better than I do.

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

Well I certainly understand where you get the notion that I'm a Lover cause I'm IEI.

[Simon Ssmall]

I'm a magician, boooyah.