Results 1 to 28 of 28

Thread: King, Warrior, Magician, Lover

  1. #1
    kensi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Edmonton, Ab, Canada
    Posts
    567
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default King, Warrior, Magician, Lover

    How i got started in Socionics without even knowing it a long, long, long time ago (at least in part)

    King, Warrior, Magician, Lover: Rediscovering the Archetypes of the Mature Masculine by Robert Moore and Douglas Gillette..........

    In a broad sense and in no particular order.....

    King= Delta..............SiTe influence??
    Warrior= Beta..............FeNi influence??
    Magician= Alpha..............NeTi influence??
    Lover= Gamma..............SeFi influence??
    ENTP:wink:ALPHA

  2. #2
    ILE - ENTp 1981slater's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    Spain
    TIM
    ILE (ENTp)
    Posts
    4,866
    Mentioned
    15 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default x

    In my opinion, there is a better relationship between these 'jobs' and their socionics counterpart, which is:

    King NT
    Warrior ST
    Magician NF
    Lover SF
    ILE "Searcher"
    Socionics: ENTp
    DCNH: Dominant --> perhaps Normalizing
    Enneagram: 7w6 "Enthusiast"
    MBTI: ENTJ "Field Marshall" or ENTP "Inventor"
    Astrological sign: Aquarius

    To learn, read. To know, write. To master, teach.

  3. #3
    ILE - ENTp 1981slater's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    Spain
    TIM
    ILE (ENTp)
    Posts
    4,866
    Mentioned
    15 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default x

    But don't forget we are in 2008 so...

    King --> CEO
    Warrior --> Construction worker
    Magician --> Druggy
    Lover --> Lover

    ...


    Football --> Soccer
    USSR --> Russia
    Black --> African American
    To fuck --> To get laid
    Crisis --> Recession
    ILE "Searcher"
    Socionics: ENTp
    DCNH: Dominant --> perhaps Normalizing
    Enneagram: 7w6 "Enthusiast"
    MBTI: ENTJ "Field Marshall" or ENTP "Inventor"
    Astrological sign: Aquarius

    To learn, read. To know, write. To master, teach.

  4. #4
    EffyCold thePirate's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    TIM
    ??
    Posts
    1,897
    Mentioned
    12 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    bump.
    <Crispy> what subt doesnt understand is that a healthy reaction to "FUCK YOU" is and not

  5. #5
    Creepy-male

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    But don't forget we are in 2008 so...

    King --> CEO
    Warrior --> Construction worker
    Magician --> Druggy
    Lover --> Lover
    Lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

    Thats exactly what I was thinking... but why does the lover get to be the lover?

  6. #6
    Haikus
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    MI
    TIM
    IEI-Ni
    Posts
    10,060
    Mentioned
    223 Post(s)
    Tagged
    2 Thread(s)

    Default

    I'm King and Lover. Medium on the Mage part. Not much Warrior.

    I'd say, mostly King. Equal Lover/Mage. And least Warrior for me.

    Warrior achetype balances me (Buffy, heroes, leaders that are virtuous, paladins, estps, guardians of humanity)

  7. #7
    Haikus
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    MI
    TIM
    IEI-Ni
    Posts
    10,060
    Mentioned
    223 Post(s)
    Tagged
    2 Thread(s)

    Default

    King - Hybrid/Shaman
    Warrior - Tank
    Magician - DPS/Damage
    Lover - Healer

    ;p

  8. #8
    Currently God Brilliand's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Nevada
    TIM
    LII
    Posts
    4,246
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    At first glance this seems to me like a Beta system...

    King: LSI
    Warrior: SLE
    Magician: EIE
    Lover: IEI

    (could maybe switch one or both mirror pairs)

    After a bit more thought, I can read it every which-a-way...maybe we need to know what the author said about them.



    LII-Ne

    "Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING like Shakespeare!"
    - Blair Houghton

    Johari

  9. #9
    Haikus
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    MI
    TIM
    IEI-Ni
    Posts
    10,060
    Mentioned
    223 Post(s)
    Tagged
    2 Thread(s)

    Default

    You can do that for every type in the quadra, most likely

  10. #10
    Currently God Brilliand's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Nevada
    TIM
    LII
    Posts
    4,246
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    King: LII
    Warrior: ESI
    Magician: ILE
    Lover: SEE

    King: LSE
    Warrior: SEE
    Magician: IEE
    Lover: SEI

    King: SLE
    Warrior: LSI
    Magician: ILI
    Lover: ESE



    LII-Ne

    "Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING like Shakespeare!"
    - Blair Houghton

    Johari

  11. #11
    Creepy-male

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Brilliand View Post
    At first glance this seems to me like a Beta system...

    King: LSI
    Warrior: SLE
    Magician: EIE
    Lover: IEI

    (could maybe switch one or both mirror pairs)

    After a bit more thought, I can read it every which-a-way...maybe we need to know what the author said about them.
    That seems right.... I wonder what the theoretical implications of this are... maybe you can break this down into its elements and divine something about how this works with jungian functions and model A.

    How do they define quadras for example? I could probably attempt this question if I knew how they organized quadras.

  12. #12
    Creepy-male

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    I'm King and Lover. Medium on the Mage part. Not much Warrior.

    I'd say, mostly King. Equal Lover/Mage. And least Warrior for me.

    Warrior achetype balances me (Buffy, heroes, leaders that are virtuous, paladins, estps, guardians of humanity)
    Hmm I always thought Magician was more like a Shaman because of its Mystical/Spiritual side. I agree you're not much of a warrior and you seem like a lover... the king part though , but maybe thats because you're mixing king and lover so your thinking of king in a more "jesus" like sense.

    I view Kings as being the leaders, strong willed with their agendas, focused on decisions, idealize justice/harmony

    I view Warriors as being the doers, strong willed with their actions, focused on results, idealize courage/strength

    (Kings bond with warrios because kings need warriors to carry out their decisions and wills, and warriors need kings with a common cause to serve)

    I view Magicians as being the mystics, strong insight, focused on the true nature of things, idealize truth/meaning

    I view Lovers as being well lovers, having hearts of gold and idealizing beauty/love/peace

  13. #13
    Currently God Brilliand's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Nevada
    TIM
    LII
    Posts
    4,246
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    King:
    Warrior:
    Magician:
    Lover:

    That doesn't seem too bad.



    LII-Ne

    "Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING like Shakespeare!"
    - Blair Houghton

    Johari

  14. #14
    Contrarian Traditionalist Krig the Viking's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Canada's Prairie Farmland
    TIM
    C-LII
    Posts
    2,647
    Mentioned
    7 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Descriptions from what appears to be the official site: KWML Personality Test, Compatibility Test - King, Warrior, Magician or Lover

    Protective, orderly, and wise, Kings and Queens are disciplined leaders and excellent advisors who like to make and play by the rules. While they prefer to oversee and issue commands without necessarily being the ones to carry them out, they're also very compassionate and nurturing—sometimes to a fault of being passive. Lovers of learning characterized by wisdom, Kings and Queens enjoy giving advice and others often seek it from them.

    At their best within the confines of their own "castle," Kings and Queens prefer that which is safe, secure, and known. No surprise then that they're most comfortable interacting one-on-one with those they love or want to know better, and that their confidence looses steam in new situations.
    Confident, competitive, and analytical, Warriors are fierce and steady protectors of their friends, family, and all things they hold dear. They are extremely ambitious, targeted, and determined—almost to a fault of being self-centered—and are an undeniable force of industriousness.

    While Warriors are logical, orderly, and respect the rules like Kings and Queens, they're much more assertive and always ready to dive into action or conflict. Because they prefer to be somewhat isolated, they tend to have few very good friends, but these friends definitely count on the Warrior whenever there's a task to be done with precision.
    Creative, adventurous, and energetic, Magicians are the life of the party and people are naturally drawn to their spirit and confidence. They often inspire awe with their magical ability to multitask and exercise "street smarts." Not only do they dream big, Magicians actually make those dreams happen. Because they're naturals at making things happen that would seem impossible to most others, Magicians do especially well in performance and sales roles.

    While Magicians are full of emotional confidence like the Warrior, they're much more outgoing and outlandish, which often puts them at the center of celebration and spectacle.
    Creative, intuitive, and deeply caring, Lover's minds and spirits are open and capable of expressing deep meaning in the world. They represent the artists and idealists of society—the romantics, the insightful poets and writers, the musicians and painters, the fools who make us laugh with joy—and their gifts of art and mystery resonate powerfully.

    While nurturing like Kings and Queens, and artistic like Magicians, Lovers sometimes lack the ability to speak up and stand their ground, and have a tendency to be passive and introverted.
    Based on those descriptions, I would say

    King = NT
    Warrior = ST
    Magician = SF
    Lover = NF

    Not an exact match, but it seems pretty close. I would say the descriptions seem more focused on Alpha/Beta.

    I took the quiz and came back with King, which I am more than happy with.
    Quaero Veritas.

  15. #15
    Currently God Brilliand's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Nevada
    TIM
    LII
    Posts
    4,246
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Krig the Viking View Post
    Descriptions from what appears to be the official site: KWML Personality Test, Compatibility Test - King, Warrior, Magician or Lover









    Based on those descriptions, I would say

    King = NT
    Warrior = ST
    Magician = SF
    Lover = NF

    Not an exact match, but it seems pretty close. I would say the descriptions seem more focused on Alpha/Beta.

    I took the quiz and came back with King, which I am more than happy with.
    LII, LSI (actually maybe SLE would be better), ESE and IEI came to mind when reading those, so the clubs interpretation makes sense, and maybe a bit closer to Beta.



    LII-Ne

    "Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING like Shakespeare!"
    - Blair Houghton

    Johari

  16. #16
    Contrarian Traditionalist Krig the Viking's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Canada's Prairie Farmland
    TIM
    C-LII
    Posts
    2,647
    Mentioned
    7 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Brilliand View Post
    LII, LSI (actually maybe SLE would be better), ESE and IEI came to mind when reading those, so the clubs interpretation makes sense, and maybe a bit closer to Beta.
    My thoughts exactly.
    Quaero Veritas.

  17. #17
    Creepy-male

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Krig the Viking View Post
    Descriptions from what appears to be the official site: KWML Personality Test, Compatibility Test - King, Warrior, Magician or Lover
    Lol I can see myself with as a little of each, but if I was pigeon holed to choosing one I'd say king... but really all of them fit well to some degree.

  18. #18
    Contrarian Traditionalist Krig the Viking's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Canada's Prairie Farmland
    TIM
    C-LII
    Posts
    2,647
    Mentioned
    7 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by HaveLucidDreamz View Post
    Lol I can see myself with as a little of each, but if I was pigeon holed to choosing one I'd say king... but really all of them fit well to some degree.
    Did you try taking the test at the website? You have to give them your e-mail address, but I just gave them my spam-bait address. They'll never know!
    Quaero Veritas.

  19. #19
    Creepy-male

    Default

    Interesting.

    Your personality is dominated by two related KWML temperaments.
    Your complete personality profile can be described as 38.5% King/Queen, 38.5% Lover, 15.4% Warrior, and 7.7% Magician. Percentages may not add up due to rounding.

    Lover sounds Intuitive. King/Queen seems like a hodge-podge; mixes of Ne, rationality. Warrior seems Logical, Sensing. Magician sounds Extraverted and Ethical.

    I'm slightly tentative to try and start linking this to socionics, since the internal structure of the KWML on its own seems a bit... iffy? Like, using left/right brain against motherly/fatherly (and I think their definitions on that last one are a bit loose too). And I really wanna judge it as stupid, because they're trying to consider complementarity based on too-rigid models (like, I have the advisor/Grandma Gul thing going for King, not so much the "need for security and certainty". Being around someone a bit looser on that regard I could see as being fun/helpful (or equally grating and frustrating), but that's not even applicable for me!)
    Last edited by male; 10-21-2009 at 08:00 AM.

  20. #20
    Creepy-male

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Krig the Viking View Post
    Did you try taking the test at the website? You have to give them your e-mail address, but I just gave them my spam-bait address. They'll never know!
    Yes I did, and I got king also... and I also gave them a spam-bait address, it must be because we both are kings... or maybe not.

    Regardless there isn't much info on this typology, I've heard of archtype psychology before and its interesting but no one ever writes on it, and when they do its always very fanciful and not grounded.

  21. #21
    Let's fly now Gilly's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    TIM
    3w4 sx/so
    Posts
    24,757
    Mentioned
    91 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    I'm part King part Magician.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

  22. #22
    Currently God Brilliand's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Nevada
    TIM
    LII
    Posts
    4,246
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by HaveLucidDreamz View Post
    Yes I did, and I got king also... and I also gave them a spam-bait address, it must be because we both are kings... or maybe not.

    Regardless there isn't much info on this typology, I've heard of archtype psychology before and its interesting but no one ever writes on it, and when they do its always very fanciful and not grounded.
    I actually think that every LII is going to come out as King.



    LII-Ne

    "Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING like Shakespeare!"
    - Blair Houghton

    Johari

  23. #23
    Creepy-male

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Brilliand View Post
    I actually think that every LII is going to come out as King.
    Well, yes, that's option nr 2. Take a poll of socionics type/KWML type.

  24. #24
    Let's fly now Gilly's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    TIM
    3w4 sx/so
    Posts
    24,757
    Mentioned
    91 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Test says I'm a warrior...I call BS?
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

  25. #25
    Haikus
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    MI
    TIM
    IEI-Ni
    Posts
    10,060
    Mentioned
    223 Post(s)
    Tagged
    2 Thread(s)

    Default

    I agree you're not much of a warrior and you seem like a lover... the king part though , but maybe thats because you're mixing king and lover so your thinking of king in a more "jesus" like sense.
    In real life I'm more King like, then even Lover.

  26. #26
    Creepy-male

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    In real life I'm more King like, then even Lover.
    k well you know better than I do.

  27. #27
    Haikus
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    MI
    TIM
    IEI-Ni
    Posts
    10,060
    Mentioned
    223 Post(s)
    Tagged
    2 Thread(s)

    Default

    Well I certainly understand where you get the notion that I'm a Lover cause I'm IEI.

  28. #28
    Slippery when wet Simon Ssmall's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    ✈ ↺
    Posts
    2,231
    Mentioned
    14 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    I'm a magician, boooyah.
    Looking for an Archnemesis. Willing applicants contact via PM.

    ENFp - Fi 7w6 sp/sx
    The Ineffable IEI
    The Einstein ENTp

    johari nohari
    http://www.mypersonality.info/ssmall/

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •