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    I came across this one, she VI's as an ESFP-Fi subtype.

    http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/2942...anst_buik.html

    Nice benchmark I think.


    Now if somebody could find her phonenumber so I can marry her...

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    Um, ew.


    She's ISFp, imo. God, that's not ESFp.
    maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
    maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
    go ask the frog what the scorpion knows

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    i'd like to see bg dance like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allie View Post
    Um, ew.


    She's ISFp, imo. God, that's not ESFp.
    Well I'm not convinced that she is not ESFP. But I guess we'll hear more comments later on.

    I don't know what arguments you have for it, but ESFP's are great dancers, lots of ESFP woman do street dance, salsa etc or are dance teacher. They are also seducive and sensual. More then ISFP's. She screams ESFP if you ask me. But my main argument is VI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
    I don't know what arguments you have for it, but ESFP's are great dancers, lots of ESFP woman do street dance, salsa etc or are dance teacher.
    ESFPs are great dancers? Okay, lovely. What's your point?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
    They are also seducive and sensual. More then ISFP's. She screams ESFP if you ask me. But my main argument is VI.
    Seductive and sensual to who? That may be your impression—both about ESFps as well as this girl in particular. I don't think she's seductive or sensual in the least bit. She has a "dead-behind-the-eyes" sort of miserableness in her face, her clothing makes her look (even more so) like a cheap whore, and her dancing only enhanced that. It was trashy and she tries waaayy too hard.

    I don't know. One thing I've always admired about ESFps is their effortlessness about that sort of thing. Maybe that's their leading or something. But ew, this girl just looks pathetic.
    maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
    maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
    go ask the frog what the scorpion knows

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    I don't find her attractive at all. Maybe it's a matter of preference but she looks sort of miserable to me.
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allie View Post
    She's ISFp, imo. God, that's not ESFp.
    Yeah I agree, with both statements. She reminded bit like Bee to me actually. Crappy video for typing anyway. Her movements were unenergetic. Mostly it was her expression that was nothing ESFp-like at all.

    For comparision ESFp (in leather pants):
    ...the human race will disappear. Other races will appear and disappear in turn. The sky will become icy and void, pierced by the feeble light of half-dead stars. Which will also disappear. Everything will disappear. And what human beings do is just as free of sense as the free motion of elementary particles. Good, evil, morality, feelings? Pure 'Victorian fictions'.

    INTp

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    She has the lowered mouth corners you usually see with ESFP's.

    Also the big nose, the big lower part of face, and she reminds me of 2 ESFP's I know.

    Sure VI isn't enough I agree. I can understand that people would think that she is an ISFP, but what I don't understand is why people can't see an ESFP-Fi in her.

    I'm curious what Khamelion has to say about this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allie View Post
    I don't think she's seductive or sensual in the least bit.
    This is an extremely seductive and sensual video, so I guess we have a different opinion on that :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warlord View Post
    For comparision ESFp (in leather pants):
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qYNk...eature=related
    wow, she VIs just like my good friend who looks like lucy lovelace, whom others have said is SEE too. i like confirming this kind of thing for my friends, which helps me understand who is who and who does what, etc. better.

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    Yep that leather girl is a good benchmark for ESFP-Se subtype.

    She resembles someone I know too. Especially recognizable by her distinctive mouth and nose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ifmd95 View Post
    Fi subtype: actress Drew Barrymore
    You could be right. I 've always found her strangely attractive. (personality wise)
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ifmd95 View Post
    I think Winterpark (in the other SEE thread) correctly identified Scarlett Johansson as SEE, although I know less of her subtype.
    I'd go with the sweet subtype.










    Now if I could only marry THAT...

    *sigh*
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    That is an ESFP-Fi subtype.

    I want to marry her too, I wonder how many I can handle. Ah what the heck, I'm gonna collect ESFP's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
    This is an extremely seductive and sensual video, so I guess we have a different opinion on that :-)
    I thought it was cold and kind of disgusting. There are small parts where there is a belly-dance aspect to it but then she goes and ruins it by making some gross jerking movement. And the clothing just makes it all the more unappealing.

    The very end when she gets close was really really gross.

    This is pretty strange coming from me...but I'm serious.

    Her face makes her seem very boring too...even the dancing gets boring after a little while. She should try out doing belly-dancing instead of whatever street style this was supposed to be...and wear different clothes while doing it....the pants just don't work for those kinds of movements....


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    Quote Originally Posted by Winterpark View Post
    You could be right. I 've always found her strangely attractive. (personality wise)
    I don't like her lisp....and it's hard to get over...>
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khamelion View Post
    I thought it was cold and kind of disgusting. There are small parts where there is a belly-dance aspect to it but then she goes and ruins it by making some gross jerking movement. And the clothing just makes it all the more unappealing.

    The very end when she gets close was really really gross.

    This is pretty strange coming from me...but I'm serious.

    Her face makes her seem very boring too...even the dancing gets boring after a little while. She should try out doing belly-dancing instead of whatever street style this was supposed to be...and wear different clothes while doing it....the pants just don't work for those kinds of movements....


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    Haha, that was pretty much my reaction. I'm nearing certainty that this girl is Fe-ISFp. I don't see how Jarno thinks she's Fi-ESFp at all.
    maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allie View Post
    Haha, that was pretty much my reaction. I'm nearing certainty that this girl is Fe-ISFp. I don't see how Jarno thinks she's Fi-ESFp at all.
    i agree with you, kham too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimosa Pudica View Post
    I know only one SEI and she is really careful and sweet, so I can see SEI as more fitting than SEE (or IEI). Si-quadra anyway. However, the SEI I know would be more Fe, and this girl looks soooo cold. Is she even ethical?
    I don't think ethical types have to be warm really. A lot of people describe me as cold, for example. And I'm pretty sure that everyone thinks I'm an ethical type, heh.

    I dunno. I think we give off "warm" or "cold" vibes depending on the person receiving them. Some people have always and will always find me to be cold. They just don't get me at all. Then there's the people who can look past my ranting and pissed off expressions to realize I (shock) am a nice person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allie View Post
    I don't think ethical types have to be warm really. A lot of people describe me as cold, for example. And I'm pretty sure that everyone thinks I'm an ethical type, heh.
    You're one cold bitch, yes.
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimosa Pudica View Post
    But wouldn't look a lot warmer?

    Or is that only Beta Fe ... ?
    Maybe? Not sure. A lot of Betas seem cold to me as well.
    maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
    maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
    go ask the frog what the scorpion knows

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimosa Pudica View Post
    But wouldn't look a lot warmer?

    Or is that only Beta Fe ... ?
    I'm more cold than warm. I find warmth comes when an ethical type values Si.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ifmd95 View Post
    Since Alpha Fe is bloced with Si and therefore more concerned with the immediate emotional environment, you have that entirely backwards.
    that's what i thought....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ifmd95 View Post
    Since Alpha Fe is bloced with Si and therefore more concerned with the immediate emotional environment (this opposed to the long-term), you have that entirely backwards.
    This reminds me why I often feel repelled by Alpha Fe.
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimosa Pudica View Post
    I know how I see this myself, so it's not about having it backwards, but maybe we see things differently.

    I sometimes feel Alpha Fe is "fake", and "fake" does not seem warm to me. Betas Fe might be less bubbly, but that isn't the same as "cold" in my eyes. I realize it's a subjective evaluation, but this girl did not feel "beta-warm" nor "alpha-bubbly". It could be just about her being so focused, ofc.

    You find my avatar warm or cold?
    It's a matter of perception, as Allie mentioned.
    No. What ifmd95 (and others) pointed out is not a matter of perception, it's a fact that you have trouble understanding or refuse to acknowledge.
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimosa Pudica View Post


    And no.
    You're ridiculously defensive and stubborn. And unintelligent.
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    wait....so why are so many people hell-bent that she's an ethical type? logical types can have control over their body that way too, and might make a video for some reason or another. I can even imagine an ISFj doing it, if they have a specific reason.


    /shrug

    she could be ISTp, or ESTj if you think only Si sorts can move like that. ESFj too. I dont see how anyone can really figure out if she's Ip or Ej just from that. Or any temprement for that matter. however, for some reason i dont see her being Ep....


    and mimosa....about your little avatar warm vs. cold thing...hmmmm....you know i dont see it as warm or cold....its kinda neutral. like...the woman would be the colder part of it...while the fire is the warmer element.....also the bubble implies cold to me as well....so i think what i feel from it is.......neutral and breezy.....like hot and cold meeting and making this environment that you can barely tell the difference between it and your own body temperature. does that make any sense?
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    Do we have any SEI girls on this forum, maybe they can give the final answer for this girl being an SEI.

    I might post it in Alpha since now I'm getting curious.

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    Not SEE, not seductive; I agree with Winterpark - she actually looks really miserable. There is nothing in her eyes, nothing in her expression; the whole thing is PAINFULLY mechanical. No joy, no playfulness, no eye-fucking. I'm more inclined to think she's logical than ethical actually.

    Moreover, from that video, I don't even think it can be concluded that she's a sensory type at all. I've taken all types of dance classes with my SEE friend and she openly concedes that I am a much better dancer than she is - I'm more 'mental' rather than 'instinctive' in my dancing, but anyone can, for concentrated periods of time, control their body if they have the inclination. Look at her expression - she's concentrating a great deal. Intuitives might look spazzier/more awkward in the way we naturally arrange our bodies because we just don't take much notice, but for this sort of performance, it's really hard to draw a distinction.
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    Nice observations Unefille.

    'There is nothing in her eyes, nothing in her expression; the whole thing is PAINFULLY mechanical. No joy, no playfulness, no eye-fucking. I'm more inclined to think she's logical than ethical actually.'

    This might indicate ISTP? Cause that's the only other type that I can VI in her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimosa Pudica View Post


    I think SXE is very unlikely, but I wouldn't exclude an intuitive Ep, at least ILE is possible. It depends on the motivation for making the clip. I think some of the reason you don't see Ep is her focus. You'd expect an irrational to have more fun with it all, and an extrovert to be less "introverted". Again, I think it depends on her motivation for making the clip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
    She has the lowered mouth corners you usually see with ESFP's.

    Also the big nose, the big lower part of face
    I wonder how many people use this kind of criteria for VI.

    Quote Originally Posted by Khamelion View Post
    I thought it was cold and kind of disgusting. There are small parts where there is a belly-dance aspect to it but then she goes and ruins it by making some gross jerking movement. And the clothing just makes it all the more unappealing.

    The very end when she gets close was really really gross.

    This is pretty strange coming from me...but I'm serious.

    Her face makes her seem very boring too...even the dancing gets boring after a little while. She should try out doing belly-dancing instead of whatever street style this was supposed to be...and wear different clothes while doing it....the pants just don't work for those kinds of movements....


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    Fun Fact: Audrey Hepburn is Fe-ISFp. This girl has a poster of her on her wall. Watch the video with that in mind, comparing her to the poster on the wall right behind her. They VI very similarly, IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy View Post
    I wonder how many people use this kind of criteria for VI.
    These were not my first criteria, she VI as an ESFP that I know. Though when I looked at the criteria as described in socionics descriptions, she also fits those.

    But then again, I can see an ISTP in her too. So I guess I'll have to rely a whole lot less on VI in this case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allie View Post
    Fun Fact: Audrey Hepburn is Fe-ISFp. This girl has a poster of her on her wall. Watch the video with that in mind, comparing her to the poster on the wall right behind her. They VI very similarly, IMO.
    yeah, i noticed that as well, hepburn behind her i mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ifmd95 View Post
    The surroundings could reflect a number of types. There's few aesthetic extremes. Although, she does have a LSE's conflictor all over her wall.
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