what type believes everything is a projection of themselves or of others?
everything a projection?
what type believes everything is a projection of themselves or of others?
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it was, especially as a child. we're talking SUPER self conscious, anger and low self esteem. i've learned many ways to deal with it into it being a cool way of handling things to make the physical world around me one that i desire instead of fear.Originally Posted by Diana
it's not that i dont perceive solid, i do, but, it's still in context of it being a projection.
and i thought the projection would have to do with Ni not Fe? because i've been leaning toward Fi lately. my sense of like/dislike is very strong compared to my sense of mood/atmosphere. i'm really sucky irl at maintaining or controlling mood/atmosphere. ask my sis. i tend to be a "joykill" because i'm so serious. lol i only get a little silly with people i am VERY comfortable with and trust or online.
Betas, especially Beta NF's, seem to be the most fond of telling people that they're projecting any time that person criticizes someone. But I'm guessing that saying "you're just projecting" in an argument probably isn't what you're talking about.
We all see the world through our own eyes and process it with our own mind. A cheater will always suspect others of cheating, a liar will always worry (s)he's being lied to, a confrontational/reactive person will always think that people are trying to pick fights with him/her, etc. This is one of the ways in which our outer circumstances are a reflection of our inner state. I think a strong awareness of this sort of underlying connection might be related to Ni.
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as a kid i didn't know who i was, not as a physical human anyway. this world was very scary. the only way i've dealt with those fears is by strengthening my inner knowing of everything AS a projection. then, others cant hurt me anymore. or at least i am not letting them.
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I've found that certain types actually "project" insults upon others more than others though. usually they're SLEs and LSIs lol. Seriously though, logical sensory types are very often clueless as to what's going on inside my head and thus assume for pragmatic reasons, usually in arguments, that I'm like them. It's ironic some of the insults I've received in the past, "you're selfish, you're an asshole, you're this, you're that etc." what's ironic is that the person saying it also has admitted that they are "this" or they are "that" in the past. Furthermore the insult is purely superficial and when challenged on it they always give in.Betas, especially Beta NF's, seem to be the most fond of telling people that they're projecting any time that person criticizes someone. But I'm guessing that saying "you're just projecting" in an argument probably isn't what you're talking about.
For the record I've only ever experienced this in interactions with logical types.
INFp-Ni
You're projecting!
How selfish of you to consider such things.
I know two SLEs who are doing this often.
It takes a long time to really, truly know who somebody is. Not who you wish they were, or who you don't want them to be.
I remember this one shrink I had assumed a lot of things about me just because I was quiet. It was annoying. She'd project a bunch of other things, that sounded like they make good sense but were ultimately false. (That I was a good chessplayer for one.)
Seeing things for what they really are is a true gift. I think we all kind of debate/talk things over until that consensus is reached.
Projections are still necessary though, as that is the learning process. You just can't ultimately come into knowing what somebody is in their full essence, as where is the fun in that?
What types have accurate assessments over people? I'm not sure I do. I have a very strong intuitive sense of what is going to happen next, but not really what somebody truly likes. I honestly get surprised over this. I don't know what to believe, if things and people go against stereotypes. I tend to think they're just trying to cover up the stereotype in order to appear tough, when they're really not like that- they're really my perception. But I'm most likely being wrong and arrogant, just like my shrink was.
This is a personality issue, not a psychological type issue.
the way most here are defining projection is not what i meant.
for instance, when this weekend an annoying salesman kept trying to hand me a sample when i had politely told him "no thank you," and he said condescendingly "oh, i thought you might change your mind." i *almost* went off on him to the point hubby thought i was gonna "duke it out" with him. i *almost* said "i'll change my mind alright and stick that sample up your ass." hubby is the one who pulls me back and asks me "is he worth it?" i've never got into an actual fight, physical anyway. but, i've definitely gotten into it with others who treat me that way when i've already told them NO, THANK YOU, among other things.
my point: when i look at situations that happen like that, i see how i was actually mad at *myself* when i might act condescending that way to anyone. it helps me see when i might be acting that way and it helps me to stop and be more self aware to not do that to others. it also helps me to pull myself back without having to have hubby to do it for me.
for me, all of my actions are in some way "things" that teach me how i am seeing the world and how i want to change what i am seeing in my perspective so my world is in line with my desires, not my human gut reactions that only give me heartache in the end.
this has been a learning process but one that has helped me not be an ass. when i see everything this way, it helps me to *chill out* and not be so judgmental and a hardass about people's and my own behaviors. then, i can relax and be silly and goofy and not "worry" about what others think of me because i'm not worrying about what others are doing either. if i see others behaviors as projections too, i dont have to judge them as "right" or "wrong" they just ARE.
from the book "Loving What Is," THAT has helped me tons in my life.
why not work on both?
The trick is, when you see food to eat it. Try it, you may find the experience quite enjoyable. And then you'll stop seeing groceries.
i want it all.
Projection is real and it is done by everyone all of the time. When you are aware of projection as being real and ever-present you will be supplied with a great tool and power.
I agree with this. The simple fact is, that the only resource we have to understand other people is ourselves, so everything is going to be subject to our own individual "lens" or projection. How much someone projects, however, is IMO related to awareness of this and the fact that other people are not exactly like him/her, coupled with experience and exposure to different people/POVs.
Basically, I think, people think "green is green" until they realize that someone else is describing it as red.
EII; E6(w5)
i am flakey
then what type projects things/traits/motivations onto other people that don't necessarily exist?
6w5 sx
model Φ: -+0
sloan - rcuei
Could you clarify this?
What do you mean with projection.
Your perspective determines reality - while there may be something there, just what it is is lost among your perceptions. All that you can really know is what your perceptions are...
^That's what I think "everything is a projection" means.
LII-Ne
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Johari
If that is what it means, I would say it's a perspective often encountered in people with rationalism as a philosophy. Which is mostly associated with Ti leading function.
Here is an interesting quote:
There is an overarching tendency for people to draw their conclusions about their surrounding world from subconscious pools of self-relevant information.
From my observations this tendency is most pronounced in extroverts, who spend less time thinking about what they say.
People have little awareness of how much the 'self' determines the judgement of what is seen in the external perception. Personal limitations will determine the limitations of those around them, for example.
Some examples:
A "butch" woman will point out the "butchness" in her competition, an adolescent with latent homosexual tendencies(caused by masturbation) will spend a disproportionate amount of time accusing peers of being homosexual.
A person with a learning disability or an insecurity related to their intelligence will accuse others of being stupid.
Often a person will target someone with the same weaknesses as their own, but which are more pronounced. When this occurs it will be like seeing the person staring into a mirror and yelling at themselves.
So some words of advice: Don't let the words of another guide how you feel about yourself. Do not internalize the criticisms of others. Instead look upon those who hurl insults and judgements with pity and care. Only saints and angels earn the right to judge others.
every time I see this threads title I think of one of my favorite FDG quotes:
something like.....
"When you say everyone is acting so stupid, it's because you're PrOjEcTiNg!"
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
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